Hello everyone.. Powerbang's latest video makes me feel sad for the current state of the game.what are you views on this?
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Hello everyone.. Powerbang's latest video makes me feel sad for the current state of the game.what are you views on this?
Wow... Powerful video.
Honestly, I have to applaud this. It needed to be said, and I support the message.
Same thoughts. I support the message too! True words.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheConfuzed1
Give some details....bro...
To fully appreciate what PB is stating you really need watch the video for the proper context.Quote:
Originally Posted by hardikpethani112
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxTNONDKZNA
hmm,right :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TheConfuzed1
Something good supercell needs to do , otherwise it is of no avail, its video
Fully standby and agree with what PB said. Make this game great again SC.
He said what was needed to be said by "majority".
Fully agree with what he said and regarding that builder hall being a black hole,Man that's something i wanted to hear really.
Hope Supercell would atleast understand what players need and what they like instead of throwing their choices on us.
I wonder if we will ever see a rebuttal from SC? Doubtful. Highly doubtful as in NO WAY, JOSÉ!
At 7:20 I was like "you had me a builder base"Quote:
Originally Posted by TheConfuzed1
but, at 11:15 I was like "oh, so this the decision was based on ego and personal slight, its revenge because you dont receive special treatment"
11:25 totally kills the vid for me, i was so strongly in agreement till that point when i realised the reason hes stopped covering was the personal one, and the so called manifesto in my humble opinion a very well executed and pretty mean revenge play.
infering the game may be dying, while pretending not to say that is also not cool.
I dig powerbang, but for me the video, despite heavily agreeing with much of it, ultimately for me turned out to be a calculated pushback for being treated like the rest of us.
still, some important points made, dont like the context that created his desire the make them though.
dudes still a legend, lost a little respect for him though, If he Starts making clash vids again for sure will follow him again, otherwise Goodluck to him.
I smirked when he said “Super Stale” XD
While i really like the Builder Base, i do agree with his overall message regarding the Main Village :thumbsup:
That was a real candid message from Powerbang.I agree with that.
The game has not been as fun as it used to be for me.
I am not a fan of BB but I don't think its black hole in the game as there are many who enjoy playing BB side of game.
Definitely an interesting listen. Don't agree with his perception of bh but that's a reflection of the forum community as well. I do feel supercel has been focusing more on the casual / newer players in the last year. Things like the clan games and magic items are great for those of us who aren't maxed. However, they aren't really something that would make great YouTube content either. We'll just have to see what the rest of this year brings. Regardless, I'll be here until I reach max 11. After that, dunno.
I watched the video and it was all good right up to the point where he denied any knowledge that his clan mates had been cheating or using mods. Even after being caught. This was discussed on this forum previously and in his video at that time and I'm disappointed that he took the opportunity to say it was Supercell's responsibility to catch them. Some dogs should be let to sleep...
I understand his reasons as a content creator.
I really disagree about that black hole thing about BB, or lack of new troops, or whatever. All in all, game is still enjoyable for me, specially with BB.
On the one hand, I agree that 14-day ban hurt him as a loyal player and content creator. On the other hand, why should his account, or clan, be treated differently than the rest? No easy solution for that.
Did he say again that he's the embodiment of fairplay and integrity... :confused:
Yes he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by VeeBirds
I’m sure SC (Tencent) is sorry to see him go, while he promotes a different game they own a percent of.
I understand his feelings but if I expand on that thought, I'll possibly be violating the rules here. So I will shut my mouth.
But, I don't have to see his notifications any more. I unsubscribed from his channel. :( Made me sad though, he had the best stuff.
I sense that an update is imminent
Is there any way for me to know if any of my clanmates is using/are gonna use any third party app?Quote:
Originally Posted by RagnarFurias
Its the work of SC to police the game,not us players.
Suppose a clanmate of mine used a third party app for the first time and got caught.Why should rest of my clanmates be also punished?
agree with pb. so much time wasted for the builderbase.
Is there a way? If I understand correctly most modders use a TH3 account and leave the clan to practice using the mod software. At least this is how it has been explained in forum discussions. If this still holds true, then yes, I believe there is a way for you to know. And yes, I do find the punishment to be fitting, otherwise you would just say "oh well, guess the burner account got banned" with no consequence for standing by and benefiting from the cheating. Then you would just make another burner account and repeat the cycle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rak2180
I 100% agree with everything he says in that video.
Thanks for sharing the link. Saw the entire video. I think he is biased about the game because he did not receive any special treatment inspite of being a clash youtuber. He got a 14 day ban for harboring modders like many did,at that time. His videos were subsequently pulled off. That added fuel to fire.
Wether he had prior knowledge of the modder or modders , is a separate question. If he felt, the mass clan ban is unreasonable, he might have been more convincing, if he spoke his mind with the same passion, before he was a victim of the ban.
Regarding new content, supercell gave it a good attempt with BB. It didn't workout as well, is another topic. But the effort was there. I remember his videos on builder base & his contribution to the hype before & just after it was released.
Clan games also was a good addition to the game. They fixed engineering to a large extent. Mismatches are less common now a days.
I'm sure the next few updates will not disappoint Clashers & I'm willing to bet, powerbang will surely not miss an opportunity to post clash related content, as and when he finds the opportunity.
I'm a fan of powerbang gaming. His strategies are brilliant & has helped Clashers enjoy the game more, but I think, his reducing clash videos has more to do with his ban + video deletion, rather than lack of content.
The TH3s do not have to be in the same clan. All they need is a copy of the base.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurmBo
But let's say, for example, that what you say is true. How does the leadership connect a random TH3 to an account in their clan? Unless someone confesses to owning that TH3 there is no way for the players to know. Yes, someone can kick the random TH3 but it will just reappear. Also, if I am not mistaken WHF does not accept TH3s in their clan. In PB's case, I do not believe that there are any indications that clan members were modding. Since SC have been silent with regards to the details of banning accounts any conclusion we make will be purely speculations.
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Originally Posted by StormHeart
I'm looking forward to, you Speaking your mind. I'm sure any idea put in a socially acceptable manner will not infringe any rule
I support him...He said my mind...
If they want to make the game great again they have to drop the update asap. 2 years have passed & we got nothing but horrible BB. No new troops, heroes or no new creative ideas for main base within this two years without magic items. Still now they cant confirm us when & what is comming in the next update. They can only say that update will be very soon & this update will be huge.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattVargo
Let's be realistic. How many successful high level war clans just accept a TH3 into their clan for no reason other then the guy asked to join?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorbash098
So that is a sure way to know if someone is modding o?Are there no other way my clan mate can use these third party app and hide from me ?Quote:
Originally Posted by TurmBo
As I said in my last reply, what if a clan mate used this third party app for the first time and got caught by SC and whole clan(which had no info that he was gonna use a third party app) gets a ban.How is this fair?One should be responsible for their own mistakes.Its upto SC to know what are the main accounts of the person using a burner not his clanmates.I play clash for fun not to police if others are using third party app or not on behalf of Supercell.
If it was just used that would be very unlucky as SC don’t do daily bans but in waves. However the fact still remains that your clan mate cheated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rak2180
What if that first time they used it contributed your team to winning the war? That is why the clan suffers too.
An existing elder in the clan can invite his or her TH3 to the clan, no join request necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurmBo
As I have already said before, the burners do not have to be in the same clan.
You are also assuming that burners were used in WHF. We have no details on how the members got caught so arguing burners would be moot.
agreed with the things he said in that video he is the best gaming youtuber in my opinion
Is it fair for the other clan to take a loss? How would Supercell know that it was the first time? I seriously doubt that they store all wars to be able to replay them to determine that, considering that updates wipe out the war replays. You believe that Supercell should just punish the player and the losing clan (by virtue of them sustaining a loss)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rak2180
Thanks for clarification.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveoUk
But unlike sports where there is sure fire way to know if my team mate is cheating ,theres no such thing in clash.So why replicate the same thing as done in sports by banning the whole team?
I agree with everything.
SC communication is just bad. You guys could learn from other smaller companies that are doing a much better job with much less money. Give us more information on updates, bugs, ideas, etc. and listen to the players. I still remember how long we had to wait to get an official answer for the android UI bug thread. You told us that everything was fine and that we were just stupid. Then you ignored this matter for many weeks (I think it was over a month) and let the poor forum mods handle it.
I'm not a completely maxed th11 yet but I can understand if people are angry because there is no endgame content, no tournaments, no e-sports, ... I know that most players are th9 or lower but many of them quit early. You have to take care of the dedicated th11 players and veterans that are playing this game for more than a year!
Modding is still a problem. It's probably difficult to prevent but I think your mistake here is bad communication again.
Btw. why don't you make surveys in the game? You could put them in the news section.
Unless there is a sure fire way of if knowing my clan mate is cheating,I believe only the individual should get bans not the whole team.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurmBo
It was an example, nothing more or less, but any form of cheating that modified the game files on a particular account would be detectable, and Supercell found it. Maybe the opposing clan saw something that they reported that led Supercell to the cheating, we will never know. The bottom line remains that they cheated, and what Supercell found gave them the basis to determine that the penalty was the correct one. I find all the "what ifs" to be less than persuasive. Are you in fear of being caught at something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorbash098
You don't know what Supercell found that drove them to that decision. They may very well have clan chat dialogue from the war in question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rak2180
Consider it the other way round....Quote:
Originally Posted by Rak2180
If your team had lost a war due to someone cheating on the other team (even if the rest of the other team didn’t know).
Would you feel vindicated and that justice had been served if they got a 14d war ban.
Agree with most points. Good video.
Was thinking about the 14-day ban thing though. Pb was questioning why supercell didn't give him a heads up or warning that a ban was coming. But imagine the flipside of that. What if supercell HAD given pb a heads up. If word got out that pb knew a ban was coming before the ban, that would be heavily construed as preferential treatment. If I get a ban then I can tell supercell, hey, why didn't you give me a heads up like you did with pb before banning me? That's a dangerous road to go down.
But what you are advocating for is guilt by association. I have not seen any evidence that the rest of the clan (at least in the case of WHF) knew what was going on. Your example is a suggestion on how it can be detected but under the assumption that the clan is already guilty and that they all know and therefore deserve the punishment. Knowledge of a violation committed by someone else is very difficult to prove specially on a mobile gaming system. Guilt by association should never be the case. If SC is going to put the onus of policing their clan to the players then give the clan the tools to detect them. If the clan does not use the tools and continue to get caught then start taking away wins and resources and ban the offending player.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurmBo
But that isn’t realistic. If you gave players the tools, software developers would know how the tools search and write mods that aren’t detected. What is then your solution?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorbash098
The team benefited from cheating, the team should suffer the consequences. Ultimately it is a 14d war timer they don’t lose anything else.
Just a quick note, for those who think you need a TH3 for example in the clan to practice on a base, you are behind the times in what is available for those who want to gain an unfair advantage.
He just needed an excuse to go to other content because the amount views for CoC video's was getting lower then he could get with other content.
I watched the entire video even though I'm not a youtube fan and don't care much about "content creators" or any of their goals or motivations.
Obviously he is still butt hurt about the cheating and clan ban drama as that seems to take up a good bit of the video. I would be ticked if our clan got banned for a cheater given Co Leaders don't have any tools to detect something like that. We are an adults only clan but have no way to verify that either. All any CO can do is look at behavior and make the call on keeping a player or not.
I will temper my next comments with the fact that our clan just set a 50 player war. It has been a long time since we had the roster to even think about it so things are going well enough.
June 26th, 2017 I posted about Builder Hall and all of my reasons why it was the worst feature of any Supercell game and I play them all. Boom Beach, Hayday, Royal, Coc. It is indeed a giant black hole sucking up resources that can and should have been devoted to main game play.
I also posted why simply adding more levels to TH11 (balance) was a slow spiral into boredom and not a solution to game longevity. I'm not quitting but I feel less urges to war. I will keep working on walls but I don't actually know why I care at this point.
The next release better have some BIG, amazing content. Over 2 years is way too long. They need to put Builder Hall on life support and focus on what made CoC a big hit. Players will start to move on if we get GW level 25, and more walls.
How many videos can you make in 2 years using the same kind of troops ? I think he covered all of them several times.Quote:
Originally Posted by RazorBlade72nd
Have you considered the possibility that Supercell can view clan chat and may have found conclusive evidence to support their decision? How many clans have you heard of being given a ban for harboring players that modded? How may claim not to have known the player was modding? I can't think of any, so if they did receive a ban they must have thought they had it coming. Or if the whole clan didn't receive a ban, it would suggest that Supercell had something concrete that influenced their decision. I'm sure they didn't make the decision without good reason considering Powerbang's value to Supercell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorbash098
Admittedly so. As I noted, my source is this forum and discussions on modding. I'm not looking for a way to cheat so I'm sure there are other ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warios
That is exactly the point. If SC would not give players the tools then SC should not put the onus of policing their own clans. SC have the tools to detect modding but assumes that the rest of the clan is guilty simply because they are in the same clan.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveoUk
Keep calm guys, update is coming....
‘Soonish’
Soonish is great information! Well respected way to communicate to the loyal players in such a professional manner!
Let's look at a hypothetical. Ask yourself, was that war the first time the clan cheated? I can't imagine it, but it's possible. Was it Supercell's detection software that caught them? Or something the other clan witnessed and informed Supercell of? As I noted in an earlier post, many have been banned for modding, bot how many of their clanmates have showed up on the forum stating that the clan was banned? Or unfairly banned? None that I can think of. If Supercell was unfair in their punishments and banning clans as a whole, wouldn't you think it would have gained a lot of attention? Bottom line? If you don't cheat, I doubt that you have anything to worry about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorbash098
A possibility does not mean its the reality. This is another one of those assumptions that is being made. We do not know that this is the case and yet it is being presented as the evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurmBo
You are making conclusions based on the absence of evidence and pure speculations. This is not how it works. Evidence must first be presented of a person's involvement before judgement is passed. What you are saying here is the just because you have not heard of any clans protesting their bans they must therefore they are guilty. Perhaps they knew that protesting here in the forums will lead them nowhere. Perhaps they talked to support and they were informed that they will get nowhere.
The guy makes a living from the game, he makes videos telling the players about the game. He is not a casual player with a regular job so pleading ignorance doesn’t wash with me. It suited him to win with his clan. It happens in all sports. The whole team is tainted when one steps out of line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorbash098
My take away from PB video: Frankly I feel it was a sincere message after some reflection on his part. Despite the "clan scandal" and general unfavourable attitude towards Builder Hall the macro message reflects a point in time which we all must face - that time when we must walk away from the game.
Despite he is right with the game being pretty stale at the moment, I still love the game and having fun with it. I also think we will have great content coming this year so I ain‘t giving up on this game yet. I also know that we all won‘t play this game forever but for me the time to quit hasn‘t come yet.
I always loved PB‘s videos but due to the fact he only does PUBG videos I sadly quitted my subscription to his channel.
In the end, he will only care for his business, and if does better business with PUBG it‘s the right decision for him to focus on that.
Does he have motive? Perhaps. But that is not evidence of this guilt. Does it happen in all sports? Yes. Does that mean he is guilty? No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rst
As a clan leader, I can tell you with 100% certainty that there is no way to be 100% certain that none of your clan mates are closet modders. Zero ...Wait... 100%... You get what I'm saying... Haha!Quote:
Originally Posted by TurmBo
I think you are grasping at straws. As noted, no other clan has protested being banned. Since banned players come to the forum and claim to have been innocent, you don't think banned clans would do the same? Believe what you want, but I have my doubts that a rogue cheater is going to infiltrate a clan and work his stuff without someone seeing something out of the norm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorbash098
No, because anyone can have other accounts, in any clan. You don't have to leave the clan just to practice elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurmBo
Yeah there is. My guys suck too much at attacking to be modding. :p. But yeah. Point taken.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheConfuzed1
Have any of your clan mates been banned to where you could say you have actual experience in that regards? If so, then I might accept your conclusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheConfuzed1
Well let us settle this with you providing evidence that PB knew. None of this circumstantial ones that really have no relations to what PB knew. None of this talk about how he has motive or how SC may or may not have the ability to check the chat or how some other clan are not protesting. Those are not evidence regarding what someone knows or not know.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurmBo
If I am grasping at straws then you should be able to prove me wrong and present the evidence. I will concede when you can prove what PB has in his mind.
I'm not really worried about proving you wrong and I doubt that Supercell is either. They can see clan chats and other things that happen in a clan that you and I can't. Obviously they are not going to tip their hand and allow people to know all of their methods of gathering evidence as that would allow those cheating to find work arounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorbash098
i have watched the entire video posted by PB and i do agree with him on 3 things.
1. Game is so boring right now due to lack of new content troops spells (you cannot consider new level of buildings, troops as new content etc).
2. Crappy builder base labeled as black hole. SC you do realize what made COC so popular ? it was the main village not that crappy BB. If you think BB is so good release it as a totally independent game in the market and see how long it lasts.
3. lack of content for channel due to no new fresh stuff from SC. Yes you can only cover strategies 2-3 times but not 100 times it gets stale and boring.
Other than that about PB account getting banned or not banned is something between SC and PB as i am not aware of the specific details and the proof which was in front of the SC to warrant ban action for 14 days. Yes and modding still exists and its very rampant among top clans. Tried to made a thread about modding and software that is used to mod (was hoping SC will ban this software or take some action) but instead i received warning from MOD's on the forum.
Honest msg by PB..SC should look forward this..From prev. yr they are unable to launch new things in main village..Afterwall CoC is a game.We r all needs new things to go forward even I want to know which types of new things for main village developers planning for 1 yrs.
I understand people like new things, but how many people have already unlocked everything that is already available? On one hand, Supercell has to offer new content to keep the maxed or higher level players interested, but they also have to balance it so that someone at a lower level can still have an expectation of someday reaching the pinnacle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soumya35
You have accused me of grasping at straws and continue to assert that it is obvious how fellow clan mates know what others are doing and yet when pressed for evidence you provide none. You continue to assert what SC can see in the chats and things that happen in the clan and yet provide no evidence for it. If you cannot prove someone's guilt then do not make the accusation.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurmBo
Maybe I misunderstood this but didn't Powerbang just want a heads up and an explanation from SC? (what exactly did he do / why ban the whole clan) The discussion here is just "to ban or not to ban". Shouldn't you talk about the bad communication instead? :confused:
As someone else pointed out, why should he have been treated differently from other players who don’t have a direct line into PB?Quote:
Originally Posted by Colin94
Strikes me that SC just treated him like all other players (and within the game that is all he is regardless who he is or the position and reach he has outside of it).
First of all, I don't have to prove it, Supercell handed down the suspension and I trust them to do the right thing, Second, if you have never had a player banned for modding, then you wouldn't know whether you could have detected it or not. That is what actually started this dialogue. As for providing evidence that Supercell can see what is posted in clan chats, do you think they ban reported players based solely on someone telling them what was said? Sorry, but somethings are obvious without me proving them to you. Thanks for your input, but the bottom line is that I will speak my mind and if a moderator decides that I am wrong, they will tell me. And when they do, I will accept the consequences for my actions just like I would expect anyone else to do. Have a nice day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorbash098
First, If you are going to accuse or claim that someone is guilty of allowing modding to happen in their clan then you have the burden of proof.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurmBo
Second, you are assuming that I never had the experience of someone in my clan getting caught modding but I have and I had no way to figure out that that person was modding. Our clan also did not accept any members that are TH7 or lower.
It does not matter what I think or what you think of what SC can and cannot do or what you think is obvious. What matter is what you can prove to be true.
The mods will not take any actions against you even if your opinion is wrong. What matters here is whether or not our discussion follows the guidelines of the forum rules. As long as our discussion remains civil no repercussion will happen.
What would have been the advantage of a heads up? It's just a kind gesture to show him that they appreciate his work. Something like "Hey buddy, I'm sorry that we will ban your clan in a few days but we want to treat everyone the same. Your clan mate has done xxxxx and because of xxxx we have decided to ban your clan, too.".Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveoUk
Bottom line here, if we had new content PB doesn't make this video. That seems to be a good consensus across the board on the te forums.
As for BH - I would love for them to remove it and make it its own game, just so they can see for themselves how much we don't like it as a community. Add it to clash royal instead.
As for new content, I think a new th is needed but what's needed more is fresh content. Target what people like. Wars. Clash war tourney would be great. Eventually max th12s will happen in a week I'm sure with the gemmers, I think it's still needed, but a tournament will keep the game fresh for quite some time. Also new troops would be nice. Maybe at the th10 level. Seems like there was a big push to get people leveled recently with all the clash rewards.
It doesn't need to be in a high level clan. A TH11 player doesn't even have to be in the clan with the TH3.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurmBo
Spot on analysis as always from my go to YouTube’er. Don’t really care about the personal part with his banning. Cheating has consequences. Move on. As far as the new main base content (or lack there of) the message is only saying what many of us have been ranting about here on forums. He actually hit a nerve when I heard it out loud that we havent had new main base content for 2 years minus the nerfs, buffs, and a few new levels to buildings and heroes. The game has gone stale and I can only hope that the next few updates re light the glory that clash used to have. #MakeClashGreatAgain
I hope you don't mind my quoting only this portion of your reply, as it is the comment I intend to address. First off, I presume nothing. I asked earlier of TheConfuzed1 if he had ever had a member banned that he could base his statement on. I did not see a reply from either of you in the affirmative at that time. Not only that, but I think that you would have lead with this as your argument from the beginning considering the could/should have known factor. Based on this I hope that you can understand that I am skeptical of your claim coming at this point in the discussion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorbash098
I got to be a co-leader in WHF for about 10 months from around September 2016 through about July 2017. It was a bummer to see PB lose some interest. I think it took longer for him to sort of officially 'pull the plug' because he didn't have another game that really excited him at the time. I'm glad he's found that game now. His channel is growing at an insane rate now too. Good for him.
Regarding the personal slight, I see both sides of this argument. If you rub shoulders with SC's small staff while you are over in Finland it does seem like a "Hey, this is going to happen and this is why, let's talk about it" would help because then his video after could be about how SC was having conversations to deal with it, etc.
I'm excited for the next update, although I myself have been out of the competitive scene / spending money scene for well over a year now.
Why should I answer a question that you asked of another person? That would not be appropriate. As a matter of fact, you will be well within your right to tell me not to answer that question since it was not directed towards me.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurmBo
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Originally Posted by TurmBo
Why does it matter whether or not I have experienced this situation? I am questioning your claim that other members of the clan must know that another member is modding and therefore deserves getting banned. My experience in the matter have no bearing to what you can prove. If I did tell you in the beginning that I have such experience would your argument be any different? If so, how? If not, then why bring my experience into the argument?
Not a good decision to move this thread to content creation imo. Yes, it's about Powerbang but he said some very important things and nobody will read it here. :unsure:
The first time you addressed a comment I made I was speaking to someone else, so this argument does not hold water.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorbash098
As to your second question, the answer is I would have given more credence to your comments. However, now you seem to be backtracking on your previous assertion and that gives me even more doubt.
Presuming you did have someone banned for modding (and at this point I am only presuming), you make no mention of Supercell banning your clan, thus negating any concern you could have over being unfairly banned. Do you see the fallacy of your statements?
I love this forum ...... Turn the subject to one of the negligibilitys .....then, sweep it under the (content creation-)rug. :smirk:
No, not right, it's about a statment The Confuzed wanted to share with us. I'm not interested in YouTube or cotent creation, so I appreciate he did it this way.
The reasons why Powerbang don't want to work on it anymore, are the same, why I don't watch it anymore: There is nothing new!
Negligibilitys like his relation to SC, bans and modding are not the message!
..... But If you want to hide it from most of the forumers, you can move it here and nobody can complain. :smirk:
EDIT: Deleting a post, if you don't like the aswer is not nice, TurmBo :smirk:
Fair enough but that does not mean I am required to do so on every question you post that you arbitrarily consider I should answer in order to prove my credibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurmBo
More credence? What does that mean? Are you saying that your argument would be different? How?Quote:
Originally Posted by TurmBo
You are the one making assertions and when pressed for evidence you provide none. What you are trying to do here is attack my credibility so that you redirect the focus on your inability to provide evidence for your claim. My credibility is not in question here, yours is.
What fallacy? Please name that fallacy?Quote:
Originally Posted by TurmBo
I did not mention SC banning any of my clan mates (including myself) because it did not happen. I am under no obligation to tell you what did not happen in my clan. However, it does not matter whether or not the rest of my clan got banned. The statement was regarding how we could have detected the modder and we could not have. The effect of our inability to detect the modder has nothing to do with how SC affected the clan. That is the fallacy known as conflation.
Wonder if a mod bot moved this post from off of the main general page..... 2 week ban!!!!!
Supercell does not hmmm put surveys in the game because they could care less about what you want. They are in control and it is all about the way they meant for the game to be played - it is their game after all. As long as you drop cash and they stuff their pockets full, they don't care. The only way to make them at least pretend to care is to affect their pocketbook. They are a business and their goal is a business goal - $$$$$.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colin94
Really? You never claimed to have had a member banned for modding?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorbash098
Remember this statement? What is the truth? Was one of your members caught modding or not? Or are you merely stating he was not banned for the modding (which I thought everyone got at least 2 weeks)? Please stop the double talk. And yes, after posting fallacies your credibility is in question as far as I am concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorbash098
Yes I have but that was in response to you assuming that i have not been in the position where a member of my clan was not banned. I also never said that I have not claimed anything. You are again trying to redirect the attention here. Please show me where I said I did not claim anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurmBo
The truth is that a member of my clan was banned due to modding. I have never contradicted that statement. Please show me where I contradicted that statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurmBo
At this point you are just looking for some excuse to not have to prove your claim and trying to discredit me instead of meeting your burden of proof does not do well for your credibility. Until you are ready to prove your claim, I do not think that we have anything to talk about.
Gorb, what does your statement quoted below mean? You did mention SC banning your clan mate, as I showed you the quote earlier. Or do you mean the banning of your clan mate did not happen? But here you say it did. Which is it? Either way you are not telling the same story twice. And if your clan mate was banned and your clan was not, why do you think Powerbangs clan was treated differently? This in itself should tell you something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorbash098
I'm done with this discussion. I don't have to discredit you, you have accomplished what I couldn't.
I did not mention SC banning any of my clan mates (including myself) because it did not happen. I am under no obligation to tell you what did not happen in my clan. However, it does not matter whether or not the rest of my clan got banned. The statement was regarding how we could have detected the modder and we could not have. The effect of our inability to detect the modder has nothing to do with how SC affected the clan. That is the fallacy known as conflation.
You are just quote mining my post. If you go to that particular post you can clearly see that it was in response to your statement:Quote:
Originally Posted by TurmBo
Whereby your statement have already accepted or presumed my claim that a member already got banned is true. That I am responding to your statement that I made no mention of SC banning my clan. That sentence I have made is in no way contradicting my initial claim as it is clear that in our conversation you have already accepted the one of my clan mates have been banned and that we are already talking about the rest of my clan mates including myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurmBo
I am still waiting for the evidence of your claim. Please no more ad hominem fallacies as it is just getting annoying having to argue with someone who could not address the actual issue.
Im not really 100% sure the point of your arguments as the clan/account was convicted of cheating, and their not much interest in the details. You also seam to be confusing a criminal court (where prove of guilt is required for specific reasons) vs a civil court or a simple internet discussion where the preponderance of the evidence leads a rational thinker to apply a probability or any specific claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorbash098
Iether way this thread should not be focused on PB, you, or on his potentially dubious intentions for making the film, but rather on the very true and very key constructive critisisms and reality check he threw at supercell.
In a civil court as you have said it would be the preponderance of evidence but in this case, there were no evidence presented at all. Guilt by association, as far as I know, is not acceptable evidence in a civil case. I did ask TurnBo for evidence and was not provided any but instead continued to try and discredit me instead of addressing the issue of evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vikingchief
He wasnt arguing water tight, but you were doing a bit of he Texas two step yourself, in a civil case who you associated with could certainly be used to determine If you likely knew some information at a certain time or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorbash098
but honestly Im more interested in the things powerbang said, and would love to hear some response from supercell.
untill then feel free to lawyer each other till covfefe comes home, or argue If Its Laural or Janny, to keep us entertained.
If you have been following the dialogue between Gorb and me, it should be readily apparent to you that such fears as you express are unfounded. If his clan mate was caught and the clan was not banned for 14 days, it would appear that the punishment varies depending on Supercell's findings. So what's your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rak2180
In a civil case, are you automatically presumed guilty simply by association? If you have a house mate that is being accused of downloading movies illegally (without your knowledge) would it be lawful for you to be held accountable for that action?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vikingchief
I offered a clarification of my position based on your statement that you did not understand it. I really do not think that a snark remark regarding to lawyer each other is necessary. All I asked for is evidence of a claim why is that so bad or so difficult to understand?
Your guys are involved in a little side battle which If escalates will derail the important thread which i dont think would need to much excuse to get closed. in a civil case If you were in a meeting before and after the robbery with the robbers, that is some evidence you had prior knowledge of, and were an accomplace to the crime in some way. You dont get presume responsible, but it certainly weighs in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorbash098
anyway thats all from me, feel free to carry on as you were.
In your example, knowledge still have to be proven. Such as acting in a way to help the crime happen. For example, convincing the victim to be at a certain place on a certain time. One cannot be an accomplice if they did not help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vikingchief
If Turnbo provided evidence for his claim the first time I asked. I would have conceded and this would have been over.
Lol why was this moved to content creation
I watched the video and let me say first off, that I always enjoyed PBs videos, I found him to be entertaining and genuine and from what I’ve seen of him he seems like a pretty good guy.
He brought up the issue of the game being stale, this is nothing new, it’s been discussed numerous times on the forum over the last year or so. Because really there has not been anything “massive” introduced to the game in quite some time for the main base that has been overwhelmingly accepted, like he stated, balancing and some minor tweaks etc. BH, was brought in and whether or not you like it, is irrelevant, because there are people who do, so it does in fact serve a purpose, likewise with clan games.
He brought up the point about cheating, this is a sore spot with a lot of people, myself included. Let me first off say that I do believe PB did not know about the cheating in his clan. I believe someone could be cheating in my clan and I would not have a clue. I may suspect, but I wouldn’t know for sure. He is a busy guy with his channel etc so maybe he wasn’t always aware of certain indications that may lead someone to believe someone is cheating. I agree with PB saying that SC needs to do a much better job on policing it, it should be done on a daily basis. I also understand how he would be upset getting penalized for something he wasn’t directly a part of, I would be too.
He brought up the league play. I’ve always thought the league play is intriguing and something I would like to be a part of in some form, but having seen how much cheating has gone on in it, it has made me a little leary about it, but I would still like to see a more widely accepted form of league play where all types of players can join. It seems very difficult to join a league the way things are set up right now.
I also understand how he would feel somewhat betrayed by SC with the way things he says were handled given his relationship with them. I hope they can patch things up.
Lastly he talked about stats of his viewers on a per game basis. This didn’t phase me at all, because of course interest on new games is going to be way higher than old ones. I’m guessing most of those viewers are kids who change their focus on games like they change their minds on everything, in a matter of minutes. PB has do to, what he has to do, in order to keep his channels interest rate up, and if that means switching games now and then, then good for you PB I wish you all the best. But, if you’re reading this, remember that once you say goodbye to a game and that games followers, it is extremely hard to get them back especially if they're watching someone else.
My thoughts are that we are getting an update within the next month or so, it’s not going to be the “big one”, but it should have some things in it that will add some excitement until the “big one” comes along later this year. I started playing this game 4 yrs ago thinking it wouldn’t hold my interest more than for a month or so as that had been the case with all the other mobile games I had played in the past. Does it get stale for me? sure now and then, but I find things that keep me going, like finishing my max TH11 walls and maxxing out my mini. I also have my profile that’s not done yet too, and chatting with amazing people I’ve met along the way, so I’m still having fun.