What is Most Annoying in COC?

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Originally Posted by Whynotnow

It seems you need a little more education on this issue then :P

In fact, everyone is experiencing it, it's just that some happen to notice it and some don't.
Just try to write down the times when you start an upgrade, then check back to that when it's finished. You'll notice that it's done in fact later than intended, how much so depending on the build time total. 1-day upgrades get like 15-20 minutes added, but for week-long or two week upgrades you'll easily see a few hours added.
You can also easily see it when training troops. For example, try starting to train a giant and press your stopwatch at the exact same time. Then do a few things that force the game to reload your base, such as rebooting the app, returning from visiting an other player's village or returning from an attack (even from a single player mission). Every time your village gets loaded (even by other players) roughly 4-5 seconds get added to all things that use time. You'll find that the giant you were timing can take as much as 3 minutes to actually complete, rather than 2.

It's up to you whether you care about it or not, but saying that you don't experience it is simply incorrect. I hope you'll add time lag as an option to your poll, it's very relevant and easily one of the most annoying things in CoC once you know what you're dealing with.

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I guess I'm not that hardcore of a player to notice it, as I tend to be quite lazy, but I see how this affects you. Of course I do know of the issue, and certaintly it has caused a lot of controversy on the forums. However, as you were stating about the giant training, I would like to ask of your opinion:

Is it the logging off that is causing a small time lapse or is it intentional?

Anyway, regardless of the reply, let's get back on-topic, and once again thank you all for yours votes and opinions :)

If you had builder lag on your list I'd probably have voted. On the other hand, if you added "useless polls" or "outrageous contributions to Ideas & Future Requests sub forum", it would have been a difficult choice, even though these don't qualify according to the definitions specified by your original post. Any of those are not specifically aimed at you, compared to some of the recent polls over the last few days, this one is a real diamond.

Maintenance breaks followed by no loot.

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Originally Posted by Boris1

Is it the logging off that is causing a small time lapse or is it intentional?

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It's definitely intentional by SC; they've been made aware of it for more than a year so it could (and should) easily have been fixed by now. It seems that the only reason it hasn't been is because it simply makes them money, which is why I called it a scam earlier. It's really the only accurate word for it in my opinion.

As for the technical details, it seems to be related to loading your village, which is not caused by logging off but rather by logging on. Additionally, your village is loaded when returning to it from a different village, so if you have a different village loaded because you were looking to attack/revenge it, because you were doing a goblin mission or simply because you were checking out someone else's village, you'll be affected when you return to your own. I'd expect it to happen when watching replays too, but haven't tested that yet. Actually, I'll test it right now lol

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For the test I started training a Dragon at 11:56:00am my time. Until noon (4 minutes later) I spent opening/closing replays. I opened the replay 17 times, instantly closing it every time after opening it. At noon, 4 minutes after starting to train the Dragon, it logically should say that it has 26:00 left; 4 minutes less than the 30 minutes it started at. Instead, it had 27:31 left, which means that 1 minute and 31 seconds of time were added in exactly 4 minutes. In these 4 minutes, my Dragon had only progressed its training of 2:29 worth of time. 91 seconds over 17 reloads, that's a little over 5 seconds lost every single time your village gets loaded. It's consistent with other test results we've had over various threads, and shows how quickly it adds up considering that the game reloads your village a ton for various different things.

Feel free to replicate it yourself. It only takes 4 minutes (or spend only two if you want to, you'll still notice it) and it'll be eye-opening once you realize how much of an impact this has on a game that ultimately has only 1 resource: time.

• Global Chat- No, It's actually quite entertaining and it's good to go on while waiting for troops
• Hoppers - Yes, however they don't bother me as much as they do to other people. More donations for me :)
• Misuse of multiple accounts - No
• Lightning DE storages - Yes
• Noobs - No
• 49% in a raid -Yes
• Waiting for a long time for an upgrade - No, I just forget about it
• New troop art - No
• People who ask for leader/elder - No
• When giant bombs take of half your army - No, my bad
• Teslas protecting a town hall - No
• Farmers - No
• Town Hall 10 - Yes.
• Loot Penalty - Yes, but we need it
• Gemmers - No.

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Originally Posted by Whynotnow

It's definitely intentional by SC; they've been made aware of it for more than a year so it could (and should) easily have been fixed by now. It seems that the only reason it hasn't been is because it simply makes them money, which is why I called it a scam earlier. It's really the only accurate word for it in my opinion.

As for the technical details, it seems to be related to loading your village, which is not caused by logging off but rather by logging on. Additionally, your village is loaded when returning to it from a different village, so if you have a different village loaded because you were looking to attack/revenge it, because you were doing a goblin mission or simply because you were checking out someone else's village, you'll be affected when you return to your own. I'd expect it to happen when watching replays too, but haven't tested that yet. Actually, I'll test it right now lol

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There have been numerous threads about this, I think one of the longest one was posted by ZachUVA or some other long-time forumer with a post count to prove it; can't be bothered to look it up right now. If memory serves, it was stated that the specific reason for the lag had not been pinpointed, but that it was related to when people attack your village or view it in the matchmaking que (i.e. the 30 seconds people have to either attack your base or hit next). There has been some mod input on this matter in several threads (now that I think about it, I think Steve actually made the thread, or some other thread on the same topic), and I personally have a hard time believing it being a deliberate scam, as you call it. Please correct me if I got the technical details wrong, preferably with sources to support your claims.

Please, that's enough on builder lag, I did forget to mention that on the poll, yes, please get back on topic thank you :)

Note: I have updated the table on the second page again :D

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Originally Posted by Rastis

There have been numerous threads about this, I think one of the longest one was posted by ZachUVA or some other long-time forumer with a post count to prove it; can't be bothered to look it up right now. If memory serves, it was stated that the specific reason for the lag had not been pinpointed, but that it was related to when people attack your village or view it in the matchmaking que (i.e. the 30 seconds people have to either attack your base or hit next). There has been some mod input on this matter in several threads (now that I think about it, I think Steve actually made the thread, or some other thread on the same topic), and I personally have a hard time believing it being a deliberate scam, as you call it. Please correct me if I got the technical details wrong, preferably with sources to support your claims.

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There's been a 50-page thread that Steve locked up with an excuse, now there's a new thread almost at the 10th page. In addition to those, there have been numerous smaller threads ever since the very start of the game throughout time and still continue to pop up. Supercell still claim that they don't know exactly what causes it and state that fixing it would take up their entire team for a long time. The first point is utter nonsense, the community have proven over and over that the various actions that cause a village to be reloaded are the cause. The second point is outside of my scope to give a definitive judgment on, but I find it extremely unlikely that it would take them long at all. Even if they can't fix it outright, they could make a workaround compensation by simply subtracting 5 seconds from each build/upgrade/training/cc /hero-sleep whenever a village is loaded. It's really that simple.

As for sources, the 50 page thread has massive amounts of testing and evidence, link here:
http://forum.supercell.net/showthread.php/21495-Builder-Timing-Bug-INFLATED-proof

One of many great examples of such evidence is this youtube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBlP3ZI732s

Additionally, check out the edited (updated) version of my post you quoted, I've included a very easy method by which you can test it yourself.



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Sorry OP, I just now see (after posting) that you've requested to stop discussions on this, I'll respect that as it's your thread. Hope you'll still add it to the poll since it's a very important issue though. And of course I hope that more people have been informed :) Thanks
P.s. one last point :p it's not 'builder lag' as it doesn't affect just builders lol

The poll should be check box instead of radio button, For me

- Not enuf loot found to attack while farming even after 200 nexts (not in your list)
- Waiting for a long time for an upgrade
- Builder Lag

As a farmer, I had to pick the penalty loot. To be honest, not much annoys me, apart from myself doing stupid things like dropping 4 rage on the corner of a base where there is nothing left to take out. Maybe dropping my clan castle troops by accident, or dropping a troop where next is, or the opposite, find a great raid, go to drop a troop but instead hit next by accident lol.

So yes, as I said, loot penalty is probably what annoys me the most, but doesn't annoy me so much as I get stressed thoroughly over it. I just can't help but think "You lucky bugger" when a TH7 in our clan posts a replay of them finding a town with 700k+ each resource :P

Those were the days..

Harris.