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May 6th, 2018
ClasherYukon

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Originally Posted by BlindHaze

I know you can’t go into specifics of who and when this occurred, but did you report this to the mod squad?

lets just say im in favour of removing the rep system completely
May 6th, 2018
Warios

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Originally Posted by CrucialGamer101

Isn't it the wrong sub-forum?

Dont forget to report the original post to ask for it to be moved to the proper subforum.

PS: And you are quite well versed on forum etiquette for your second post after joining in the last 4 days.
May 6th, 2018
ClasherYukon

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Originally Posted by BlindHaze

I’ve been thinking about this for a few hours and I’m beginning to think you may have a point. Although I won’t use your term ‘fanboy’, there does seem a section of users who have a much higher than average rep with an average post count.

Although I don’t think it’s necessarily intentional manipulation, there is definitely a pattern emerging.

Here’s a list of the highest rep as of 3 or 4 weeks ago.

https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...erboards-V2%21

I’ve looked at the recent rep that some people here have received and I think they’re.... let’s say generous.

it is interesting that the rep leaderboard is made up of mods, staff, or gasps. is it really necessary for those folks to have a reputation counter at all? i cant see darian caring too much what his reputation is :D
May 6th, 2018
2222

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Originally Posted by ClasherYukon

it is interesting that the rep leaderboard is made up of mods, staff, or gasps. is it really necessary for those folks to have a reputation counter at all? i cant see darian caring too much what his reputation is :D

Well Darian is an SC employee, so I agree with you there, but the moderators and GASPs are just regular players. It isn’t surprising to me that players that are very active on the forums have high reputation counts. If you regularly are helpful and/or make good points players will give you upvotes. Do that a lot and its a lot of up votes. If you only have 100 posts, even if you are helpful, that just isn’t many chances to get up votes. If you regularly are insulting or rude, players will give you down votes. Do that a lot and you will have a lot of down votes. GASPs are selected in large part on a history of engaging in good discussion and offering advice. Those things result in players giving up votes, so it again isn’t surprising that GASPs have some high reputation points.

What I liked about the down votes is it made some people consider the way they posted. It was less than an infraction. It was just a message from the community to take a look at that post and consider whether it could have been stated better.
May 6th, 2018
ClasherYukon

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Originally Posted by 2222

Well Darian is an SC employee, so I agree with you there, but the moderators and GASPs are just regular players. It isn’t surprising to me that players that are very active on the forums have high reputation counts. If you regularly are helpful and/or make good points players will give you upvotes. Do that a lot and its a lot of up votes. If you only have 100 posts, even if you are helpful, that just isn’t many chances to get up votes. If you regularly are insulting or rude, players will give you down votes. Do that a lot and you will have a lot of down votes. GASPs are selected in large part on a history of engaging in good discussion and offering advice. Those things result in players giving up votes, so it again isn’t surprising that GASPs have some high reputation points.

What I liked about the down votes is it made some people consider the way they posted. It was less than an infraction. It was just a message from the community to take a look at that post and consider whether it could have been stated better.

so having a high post count and a GASP title seems like enough recognition. the rep counter seems unnesseccary. if i agree or disagree with what you post, i will let you know by posting a reply.
May 6th, 2018
2222

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Originally Posted by ClasherYukon

so having a high post count and a GASP title seems like enough recognition. the rep counter seems unnesseccary. if i agree or disagree with what you post, i will let you know by posting a reply.

That works great for agreeing or disagreeing with the content of a post. It doesn’t work as great for encouraging well stated points (or being helpful) and discouraging toxicity. Often, when people complain about a down vote, you can look at their posts that were downvoted and you can see why they were downvoted. Hopefully, it encourages them to make those same points, but without being rude. That was the benefit of the down vote so I’m disappointed to see it go, but I understand from the moderators’ perspective if it is was causing them a lot of extra work. They are just player volunteers.
May 6th, 2018
BlindHaze

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Originally Posted by 2222

Well Darian is an SC employee, so I agree with you there, but the moderators and GASPs are just regular players. It isn’t surprising to me that players that are very active on the forums have high reputation counts. If you regularly are helpful and/or make good points players will give you upvotes. Do that a lot and its a lot of up votes. If you only have 100 posts, even if you are helpful, that just isn’t many chances to get up votes. If you regularly are insulting or rude, players will give you down votes. Do that a lot and you will have a lot of down votes. GASPs are selected in large part on a history of engaging in good discussion and offering advice. Those things result in players giving up votes, so it again isn’t surprising that GASPs have some high reputation points.

What I liked about the down votes is it made some people consider the way they posted. It was less than an infraction. It was just a message from the community to take a look at that post and consider whether it could have been stated better.

I’ll be honest, the reason I stated he may have a point is cause and effect - do people receive rep because they have a badge or does a badge show it’s warranted by a forumer’s high rep?

There was one instance that jumped out at me (and I really didn’t look for very long) was a +rep given for someone closing a thread. Now maybe I’m just a little more frugal in my giving but I was a bit surprised to see that.

I’m not saying that this is manipulation in the slightest, I’m 100% sure that the recipient wasn’t involved in any illicit activity, but it seemed generous at best.

The problem is that the rep system is subjective. Yes, there are specific rules which the mods do well in enforcing, but I think there is some, erm, ‘badge loving’ for want of a better term. I’ll come up with a better way of saying that shortly but I’m sure you get the gist....

To show how subjective it can be, I’ve received both positive and negative rep for the same post.... they can’t both be right.... can they? Actually, they probably can....
May 6th, 2018
Warios

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Originally Posted by 2222

Well Darian is an SC employee, so I agree with you there, but the moderators and GASPs are just regular players. It isn’t surprising to me that players that are very active on the forums have high reputation counts. If you regularly are helpful and/or make good points players will give you upvotes. Do that a lot and its a lot of up votes. If you only have 100 posts, even if you are helpful, that just isn’t many chances to get up votes. If you regularly are insulting or rude, players will give you down votes. Do that a lot and you will have a lot of down votes. GASPs are selected in large part on a history of engaging in good discussion and offering advice. Those things result in players giving up votes, so it again isn’t surprising that GASPs have some high reputation points.

What I liked about the down votes is it made some people consider the way they posted. It was less than an infraction. It was just a message from the community to take a look at that post and consider whether it could have been stated better.

I don't fully agree with you on this point in regards to moderators and the rep count. Will use Lach as an example, so Lach don't take this the wrong way.

if you look at his last 9 rep points, they are for this post because people agree with it and are happy with the changes, The rep is added to his forum account since he is the one posting these changes on behalf of the whole moderator team. since the list does not go back past 10 points, I am going to guess there are rep points for some of his witty comments, which are his own and imo are based on his opinions.

You could also look at Darian as well, he has rep points for posting the information for the past clan games, as an official spokesman for SC, but he also has rep points for posts like this, https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...8#post11635848 nothing to do with an offical role, but a funny story that made people laugh.

So to me that list is skewed with some of the reputation totals on there, since it is hard to distinguish, did it get a rep becuase it was a personal opinion, or because it was something that was posted in an official capacity and people liked what was said, no matter who the poster was.
May 6th, 2018
2222

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Originally Posted by Warios

I don't fully agree with you on this point in regards to moderators and the rep count. Will use Lach as an example, so Lach don't take this the wrong way.

if you look at his last 9 rep points, they are for this post because people agree with it and are happy with the changes, The rep is added to his forum account since he is the one posting these changes on behalf of the whole moderator team. since the list does not go back past 10 points, I am going to guess there are rep points for some of his witty comments, which are his own and imo are based on his opinions.

You could also look at Darian as well, he has rep points for posting the information for the past clan games, as an official spokesman for SC, but he also has rep points for posts like this, https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...8#post11635848 nothing to do with an offical role, but a funny story that made people laugh.

So to me that list is skewed with some of the reputation totals on there, since it is hard to distinguish, did it get a rep becuase it was a personal opinion, or because it was something that was posted in an official capacity and people liked what was said, no matter who the poster was.

I think for moderators it is tricky for the reasons you stated. They might get a ton of up votes or down votes for just doing what the whole team decided, but being the point person. I agree with you there. The rep system wasn’t perfect. We can find small flaws here and there. In the end, the rep system, including the down vote, resulted in a forum that was less toxic after it was added than before. That’s it. That’s my summary. It was better with the rep system than without. I think people are focusing too much on the actual rep system. That isn’t what is important. What is important, in my opinion, is the impact on the forums. The impact on the forums was good in my opinion. It made people more polite and respectful than they were before.
May 6th, 2018
Martvol

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Originally Posted by ClasherYukon

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i cant see darian caring too much what his reputation is :D

He cares. I can't discuss how I know that though.

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