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it's not cool to have an event where most of us won't be able to claim the full reward :/
Half my loot from war got lost because clan castle can't handle this much loot....
These analogies are silly. Everyone in a war, win or lose, is receiving much more loot than they would normally. Can we not just appreciate that without wanting yet more ?
Damn people are always the same in finding the negative in things.
My cap will be 3.6m gold/elixir & 18k de. I would only normally get about 1.5m gold/elixir and almost 9k de. So I myself, will be overjoyed if we win the war games getting double what I normally get.
Being 4x loot now also means people won't be annoyed going low, cause no matter what their treasury is going to be maxed with resources to.
Plus if you lose the war; you're still going to get a huge chunk in your treasury.
I REALLLLLLY don't see the issue here. Supercell giving you alot of resources, yet people still complain. Yes it would be nice getting the whole shabang, but you don't always get what you want.
They'd of been better off not giving the 4x xp and loot, would have saved all this complaining. I'm sure they read all this and think the same ... "why do we even bother, they're getting nothing next time"....
Smh
It's not that 'we always look at the bad side of the events'
It's just a matter of thinking before acting
- Would a x4 bonus be nice for everyone?
A: Not exactly, as high attackers in clan wars get their loot castle almost full without the x4 bonus
I'm just saying there's not much difference for some users, including me
And this is also the first time they've offered something that will overflow the treasury by this much. The others have always been ~ 2x, so as not to overflow; leading people to believe it may be different this time. Our beloved community manager was asked if the treasury would be capped 3 days in advance and did not answer.
I'm not worried about the loot. But I do see a pattern of SC offering things and not delivering. This is just one example. Changing rewards for CG not long ago was another. It's getting to the point you have to take their announcements with a grain of salt.
We have posters here who will pounce on other posters if they have an "i" that is not dotted or a "t" that is not crossed. Then go to great lengths to defend SC when things like this happen.
darian clarified that it would be capped by cc but it still seems like false advertising. next time they do this,(if they are not willing to allow the loot to overflow) they should simply announce it as 4x xp & 2x loot event.
I don't like to be misled. When I saw '4x loot bonus' I thought 'yay that's fun'. But then I see that it isn't really, the disappointment is an unpleasant feeling. Sure the bonus is 'better than normal'. But for me the feeling of disappointment lingers.
Why not celebrate generously? What a wasted opportunity for some feel good fun. Having this 'trick or treat' uncertainty about it spoils it.
And what harm would raising the cap really do? Even if I got an uncapped 4x loot bonus and win the war (say 6 million), I still won't be able to upgrade a single defence or troop (I need at least 7.5 million). Having a cap of 3.6 million means that even if we squeeze in two wars (we can't) and win both I still can't upgrade a single thing.
Perhaps it's easier to advertise it as 4x loot rather than "Whatever loot amount will fit in your empty treasury, except if you lose, in which case it will be 4x loot".
Seriously, it's more than you all normally get and SC didn't have to up their war loot offering, they could have done something completely different (probably wish they had now, given all the complaining) to celebrate 4 years of wars.
Why is everyone talking about how it benefits losing? Why does losing need to get incentivized? We war to win right? We do most things in life to win. We have competitive natures. If you aren’t good at war then yes you don’t have anything to complain about. You’re seeing more loot than ever.
Someone like me who has played this game over 5 years loyalty. Spent some good money at different times and have seen the good and the bad just wants to see Supercell be fair. Don’t be so damn cheap for a couple of days.
Many are saying this is just a game why is it a big deal. No, this is a business for Supercell. They collect a lot of money from players. Therefor they need to be held accountable for what they promise. If not then just don’t do events like this. I run a company and if I told a customer I wasn’t going to honor what I promised, all hell would break loose and it would be incredibly bad for business. You’re always going to have the devils advocate people on these forums. Especially the keyboard warriors that think they’re cool by calling people out every chance they get.
The bottom line is, SC falsely advertised this event and that’s what the issue is. What’s worse, they’ve done nothing to remedy the situation making people believe they just don’t care.
You know the old saying, under promise and over deliver, here Its the opposite. Its about expectations management, Its very well known in business If you set the client expectations to high, they will be angry, even If the report/product is a really high quality and above the usual standard.
is it a big deal, of course not we getting higher loot than normal, the difference in he long run is negligeable (compared to overaller treasury case)
is ir natural for people to be upset or feel "cheated". Yes a little. Was sloppy from supercell but in the bigger picture not a huge mistake. They didnt builder base this one, probably not reasonable to be super angry.
honestly it doesnt seam like they are being cheap or disinenuous, this seams like a sloppy mistake, and mistakes happen to us all. Is it annoying, Yeah a little, is it a huge deal, surely not? If we shout at them for every mistake they they will go deaf - we should be a little discerning.
or, you can just re-word it: war loot will fill your treasury (up to 4x your war rewards).
It's bonus loot for an event - not an entitlement. Also an event is not just for us big dogs. There are big war maps out there with many players hitting smaller and lesser bases in terms of war loot. We cant all hit bases 1 through 5 for full treasuries. Enjoy the full Clan Castle whether you win or lose and try to smile through the pain of not getting as much free stuff as you feel you deserve. So I might have made an extra million with an unlocked treasury? Wow....if I'm at the top of the map that is probably one quarter of one piece of wall...I'm going to save my bitterness for something worth losing sleep over...like making an extra hole in my belt.
The mistake is their wording. Whatever their intentions were or whatever they knew is one thing. What they actually said is another. Again, mistake or no mistake doesn’t matter. Just officially acknowledge what’s going on so that players know they hear everyone and understand.
People seem to have a rather loose definition of "free" on these boards.
If I 2 star two near-max th11s, what I get surely isn't free. It's earned.
Free would be opting into war, filling no ccs, donating no troops to attackers, doing no attacks myself, but still getting full loot at the end.
You can... if you lose. Whether it was an oversight by SC or a failure to properly advertise the event doesn't really matter. Point is, literally every single player is participating in war is getting more loot then he/she would participating in war without this event going on. Capped or not. Enjoy the loot and move along.
Suppose so, another minor irritation in a world full of them.
But it was kinda silly to overflow by 50% even doing 2 dips.
Half the people will lose so they will receive every ingot. A lot of players will be hitting war bases that wont fill their treasury anyway so they will receive every ingot. A few of us will lose a small amount of gold as our CC is literally full of loot....it really is a first world problem.
Maybe it's an oversight, maybe it's an event for every clasher and they decided some us would have to wear losing a little free loot because our wallets weren't big enough...Either way It's free gold so you'll have to excuse my lacklustre response to the call to Storm the Supercell building.
It won't be most of us. Half of all people are going to lose their war and the 4x event is of huge help to them. The event is simply a 4x loot bonus for the losers (or people that only get in one attack or attack low loot bases), and a max treasury event for the winners. It is still a nice event. Never have we been able to have overflowing treasuries so there was never a reason to expect it.
'Most' cases? As I have said it is far from 'most' cases...and also nobody has said it is an error....the unlimited treasury was a feature to avoid people losing resources they had PURCHASED with real money...this is free in relation to the fact that you spend nothing to obtain it....NOTHING
At this point, it doesn't even matter. We can all agree to disagree. I speak for myself when I say it's not going to make me quit the game or anything. Disappointed in the lack of response from Supercell but after 5 years of playing this game, I suppose I should be used to it. I'll continue to clash on.
Where do you see me arguing that fact? You're bringing irrelevant information to my comment. It doesn't matter if they got more than they usually do. They didn't get what they were told. Is what it is. 30 something pages of back and forth from 2 sides that just disagree. I think I'll leave it alone now.
My apologies if that came off in an attacking way. I was not, in any way, trying to put words into your mouth. My simple point is that the reason those people gemmed heroes was for extra loot. It wouldn't have mattered if it was 2x, 3x, or 4x. So, even if they did PAY for something to participate in war, they got what they paid for.
All that said, I'm not disagreeing with anyone in this thread. It sucks that the treasury doesn't overflow for this event. But, TBF, nothing has ever overflowed unless it was because of a monetary purchase (if memory serves correctly). So really, it's a foul of the community for assuming that the CC would. But, it's also a foul on SC for not putting that out up front.
I just think everyone needs to relax and enjoy the extra loot we're all getting. Doesn't matter if it's the full 4x after a loss or the 2.5x or whatever it is after a win. None of the back and forth really makes a hill of beans.
We can agree to disagree but as I have said the unlimited treasury feature was for purchased loot. It is not the norm. All other events I recall are subject to the usual limits. the x4 event is for ALL players of every level and if you are lucky enough to be in that group who will have a full treasury then you will not receive the full bonus (if you won). It IS a x 4 event......
If you go to an unlimited buffet it is still an unlimited buffet when you are full...
I have a strong opinion & I am willing to die on this hill, in its defense.
Now, what are we talking about, again?
Well why stop at 4x then? Why not advertise it as 100x loot bonus? Or infinite loot bonus? It is also both of those things to a lot of users as well.
Also, even if your treasury is empty you will not be able to hold all 4x...not just “lucky” people with already full treasuries.
My, and I think many others’, point is that it is a misleading name. If you think that this is the right name for this event, then there’s nothing left to discuss.
Ok....I hear your thoughts and this is in no way meant sound facetious but a '4x war loot as long as your treasury is big enough to hold it event' really lacks impact don't you think? So does an 'Up to 4x loot event based on treasury limits' or a 'Losers are winners too 4x war loot event.'??
No matter how much we bash that horses corpse it is still a 4 x loot event....
Hi...
Sc made a war event with 4x loot & xp...they might did it 4 times loot to fill the clan castle if you win or lose war...im not sure but it is the most logical reason...
Peace out😇
The event would be better if we were allowed to exceed our treasury capacity, but it still isn't pointless of course. Winners are getting their capacity filled to the max and losers are getting 4x loot or a filled to the max. The good news about this issue is it doesn't matter much in the end since it doesn't impact my game play at all. 4x loot? Try to win the war. 1x loot? Try to win the war. I do nothing different, I just get less bonus loot.
Winning our war will give me 26000 dark elixir, but my treasury can only hold 18000. Why quaduaple the loot if we can’t hold it?
forum.supercell.com/showthread.php/1711745-War-event-treasury-discussion
This is what annoys me the most... moderators being all cool and saying stuff like you’re getting more than usual so be happy. If we were told it would be a 4x event then we deserve to get 4x loot. So dont come here and justify SC’s actions by saying that people dont need that loot.. we need loot and we’ve earned it. If SC has messed up then they need to admit their mistake but dont try and cover it up by saying “you’re getting more than usual”. However, I would not have been so angry if they had changed the event details as soon as they realised their mistake or at least if they’d come out in public and said “yeah we’re sorry”. In fact they coulda just made an exception and let us all have that extra loot... but no thats not how SC deals with such situations. They let the moderators come here and make the regular people sound silly for demanding what they’ve earned and are rightfully demanding for.
For the forum record I’m not here to justify SC action nor defend them..My opinion is exactly that. Because it happens to differ from yours In that I choose to not see a war loot event as something free that I “deserve” - that simply means I choose to not be angered by how much free I get. You aren’t silly, and I never said as much, you just choose to get angry about this and I don’t. I was angry about the Miner bug though...I used bold type, lots of !!!!! and even capitals....but this drama? Meh....:)
I have a feeling that certain mods, ( if not all of them) share your annoyance. In my clan for example, some of us are a bit annoyed by how this was handled. I personally have not gotten upset about it but the complaints are legit.
Still.... My CC was full, King was upgraded and life went on. Many jokes, snarky comments and rolled eyes in clan chat later.... We moved on.
On a personal note: You don't find that "Demanding" for your "hard work" might be a tiny bit silly considering the circumstances?
Quick question when this event is over does it still count of i start war in roughly 3 hrs?
certainly should not of been called a 4x loot event when 50% of clans will win war and not get 4x.
Mis-selling just causes angry users which is what we are seeing here
Might as well be a 12x or 24x loot event - it would sound even better and the reward would be the same
I don't know if this is even possible, I haven't worked it out... but maybe SC's intentions was to just put it at X4 to ensure that all winners, no matter how they choose to attack (high/low), from TH3-11 all get full castles for a war win? I'm sure for some TH levels, this X4 bonus is benefitting more than us TH11s.
Personally I don't see it as an issue. I'm being awarded a full clan castle worth of loot for war. I'm over the moon!!
As noted by others, there are differing opinions among the mods, gasps, etc. Also, one thing that impacts the discussion is the tone of the complaint. If someone posts that they were disappointed to learn they didn’t actually get 4x loot and they wish SC would allow the treasury capacity to be exceed for this event, that person is not likely to get a lot of disagreement. On the other hand if the person acts as though this is a huge deal, a major conspiracy, a cover-up, they were lied to, the event is totally pointless now, SC is horrible, etc., well that gets a different reaction.
Not Holps, not nearly cool enough to be Holps, but in my experience on these forums, people are completely logically and should calm down.
This event diesnt have any effect for me, I lose out on building a few white walls. But I always wonder who does QC on these decisions? And if Darian ever goes into work and says seriously guys, it’s math, basic math.
OMG I've just read through this thread... it's so sad.
Am I the only one who really doesn't care that I "lost" loot? As one of the devs rightly pointed out... I'm used to getting 1.2 - 1.6ish per war (which I'm quite happy with).
Since the event started, I've changed absoloutly nothing and came out with 3.6!!! I haven't lost anything?! I didn't have to attack more, or spend more time playing, or use more loot on troops... I just done what I always done?
Some people jump on this "false advertising" or "misleading" band wagon... big whoopsie. Why can't people just look at the positive side of things? It's much easier to accept
Please increase the Treasury capacity. Because not a single person from the winning team, who has two (both) successful attacks, can have all the war bonus that the one has achieved. Then what is the point of giving 4X WAR BONUS, if one cannot have the whole lot one earns?
Example:
A TH11 player having a max CC of Level 13 Clan can hold in TREASURY a maximum of 3,600,000 gold & elixir each and 18,000 dark elixir. The recommended target shows a 4X WAR BONUS of 2,730,000 gold & elixir each and 15,000 dark elixir. So, 2 such successful attacks in a winning war will fetch 5,460,000 gold & elixir each and 30,000 dark elixir. So, wastage of 1,860,000 gold & elixir each and 12,000 dark elixir; even if the TREASURY were empty. Hence the conundrum.
So in a regular war you get maybe 1.3-1.6 million. With the event, you are getting your treasury filled completely for doing nothing different. So you are saying that you didn’t get enough free loot? The x4 event is meant to benefit everyone, not just high level players. X4 makes it so that lower level town halls and the clan who loses the war ( 50% of all players) can get a bonus too. Why not just be happy with all the extra, free loot?
It's not the end of the world but it's definitely disappointing. Especially since it was pointed out when 4x was first announced that it wouldn't fit in the cc.
These kind of things are kind of par for the course with SC. Especially the zero response that they have given on this
Personally, I’m just disappointed in their response. Yes, there are some people freaking out when it’s not a huge deal. Yes, it sucks. Should SuperCell own up to it, and offer something else in exchange? If they want to provide good customer service, and show they care about their loyal customers, absolutely! The resource cost in this game is very high, not to mention the time commitment - I’ve been playing nearly every day for 4? 5? years. I’ve lost count. So yea, I’m going to take it personally when the mods are essentially responding with a god complex, and blame the few that are throwing a fit instead of addressing the issue like a proper company. Saying “we would have had a different response if you hadn’t complained” is not a proper way to address this. That’s just lazy customer support, blaming others.
It's not a bug just terrible pr on the part of SC
Im not saying its a conspiracy and SC is NOT horrible. Yes my tone was a bit aggressive but thats because 1) Storage limits are flexible when you BUY deals and pay money then why not let us have all the loot for the 4x event?
2) They could’ve at least clarified that there was a mistake and then made an exception or changed the event details. I dont really care about this now. I was just dissapointed when I lost half my loot while I was expecting to get all of it. But anyway whats done is done. Cant really do anything about it now.
If you are taking anything personally in regards to the game, I might suggest a simple moment of honest refection.
Was it done correctly? Nope. Is it some unforgivable personal insult? Of course not.
Total play time shouldn't have much if anything to do with it imo.
Ok, i'll fill my cc's treasury, 2 more Chinese walls (marble walls haha ) on the way, not bad i'd say hahaha
Spare a thought for those who lose. They exactly equal those who win. At 4 times war bonus, they still get a decent amount. If you win, your treasury overflows. So what? Don’t be greedy.
I wonder why Darian is a no show on this issue?
I like how i'll get over 4 million loot from this, yet my CC can only hold 3 million gold and elixir. I don't care for dark elixir for now cause I am upgrading my town hall right now and everything is full. Would be nice to get EVERY bit we win from war instead of losing what we can't fit.
Misleading advertising is all.
4x loot bonus? Correct.
Will you get to keep all of that? Incorrect.
Not much else to say. Like saying you won the lottery but only get to keep about half of it.
No idea why so many people are complaining about it. Anyway if you lose u get full bonus. It is better than having usual 2x bonus.
I don't really understand the point of people counter arguing the fact that this was false advertisement. Did any one of us come up with the 4x gesture? No they came up with it and they needed to deliver it, there is no positive side to it. If they had to fill our treasury with loot they would just say full treasury event. No one is crying here for "free" stuff no, don't go on not understanding the outrage and backing them up you won't even get a tile. I see game mods saying oh well whats the big deal it was free anyway. The deal is no one asked sc to give us 4x loot, they created the hype themselves. They tried fixing this issue but couldn't. When this update came out some of you should have noticed that every 15 minutes it said 15 more minutes to upgrade on the maintenance break page. They tried to fix it they failed. Point is ok you guys failed, own upto it. And people who think this is not an issue ans it was free anyway, people who don't care. Its your subjective opinion don't judge the people who do have one.
I stupidly sent a question to supercell via contact us and the lady told me be happy with what you got were not happy about it either because we have to hear all of y’all‘s complaints and if anybody would like to see it I’ll be more than happy to provide it because it totally annoyed me. How dare they say be happy with what you’ve got and even though we work for supercell we don’t want to hear your complaints!
Do you anybody else notice that on the four times xp and loot event that’s currently going on we didn’t get it! I contacted supercell and was basically told be happy with what you got it’ll be over in two days! And I replied it wasn’t fair it’s false advertising and they Said we don’t like it either and we’re tired of hearing all the complaints so supercell once again supercell has pretty much screwed us over!
If I worked for the company that does their support, I would reply in a similar fashion.
Clash on.
Here’s an analogy for you. There’s 5 million dollars available for you to take, but you can only take what can fit into your bag(it can only hold 3mil dollars). Are you really going to argue that it’s false advertisement because you can’t 5 million.