Are Clan games happening too often????

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Originally Posted by Prutser

Yeah, but then they start using that as a way to reroute the whole discussion to forum rules etc. etc. Don't wanna go that route, I want to hear all those "valid" arguments.

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Yes, that's what we all do when we disagree with your opinion...

LOL.

It is too bad another thread has been taken over by one side not respectfully debating against the other side, but instead claiming it is totally invalid, selfish, etc. I guess I can mark another thread off the list of ones I follow.

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Originally Posted by 2222

It is too bad another thread has been taken over by one side not respectfully debating against the other side, but instead claiming it is totally invalid, selfish, etc. I guess I can mark another thread off the list of ones I follow.

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I'm a glutton for punishment, but will soon ignore this one too most likely. It's hard when members gang up and call other a crybaby, fragiile ego, special snowflake, mental problems, over the top sarcasm. So toxic.

I myself can't see an issue with, for example, not getting enough points to unlock a book tier, but I can understand that if 20 people in a clan desperately want the books they are going to want the other clan members to help them to get them, possibly regardless of whether or not the other clan mates can actually use them.

If that's the case, and these members are being pressured/coerced into helping then yeah, they're gonna kick back about it.

Also, if that is the case, then I think it's totally down to the clan management to sort out. I.E. either have a word with the ones wanting the help and tell them to ease off a bit, or have a word with the ones not so keen to help and explain that getting x amount of points each is now a clan requirement. Either the whole clan will come to some compromise, or some people will leave and find a new clan. My clan has done the former. We discussed what we think we can viably achieve and how to go about it and now we're getting on with it. No drama, no complaints, no issues.

We still war twice per week, donations still get filled. In fact, looking at our stats, donations, indeed activity in general, is up across the board. I can't see how that is a bad thing. We might not get to unlock the rewards we want, but everyone is playing more in an attempt to do so and if we don't, well, we don't. But, we won't fall out about it, or shout or kick people, we'll just try and do better next time.

Clearly, a lot of people that don't share our views are playing in a lot of clans that also don't share our (and possibly their players) views. If clan leaders managed their clan mates expectations correctly, all this would go away. Instead of that, it's all about "me,me,me".

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Originally Posted by JFSoul

Yes, that's what we all do when we disagree with your opinion...

LOL.

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LOL, look up your own reply on 2222 above this one, you are proving my point.

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Originally Posted by 2222

It is too bad another thread has been taken over by one side not respectfully debating against the other side, but instead claiming it is totally invalid, selfish, etc. I guess I can mark another thread off the list of ones I follow.

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Dude, I am asking for valid reasons, instead you derail the discussion with this? Really?

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Originally Posted by Prutser

LOL, look up your own reply on 2222 above this one, you are proving my point.

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"Dude" I did reply to your thread, but you ignored it like you have my other ones. And that hurts my feelings.

In my opinion, when you use quotes in response, you're purposely ignoring the content of the discussion and resorting to tactics to make one feel inferior.

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Originally Posted by Prutser

Yeah, but then they start using that as a way to reroute the whole discussion to forum rules etc. etc. Don't wanna go that route, I want to hear all those "valid" arguments.

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But that's just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by gaz1966

I myself can't see an issue with, for example, not getting enough points to unlock a book tier, but I can understand that if 20 people in a clan desperately want the books they are going to want the other clan members to help them to get them, possibly regardless of whether or not the other clan mates can actually use them.

If that's the case, and these members are being pressured/coerced into helping then yeah, they're gonna kick back about it.

Also, if that is the case, then I think it's totally down to the clan management to sort out. I.E. either have a word with the ones wanting the help and tell them to ease off a bit, or have a word with the ones not so keen to help and explain that getting x amount of points each is now a clan requirement. Either the whole clan will come to some compromise, or some people will leave and find a new clan. My clan has done the former. We discussed what we think we can viably achieve and how to go about it and now we're getting on with it. No drama, no complaints, no issues.

We still war twice per week, donations still get filled. In fact, looking at our stats, donations, indeed activity in general, is up across the board. I can't see how that is a bad thing. We might not get to unlock the rewards we want, but everyone is playing more in an attempt to do so and if we don't, well, we don't. But, we won't fall out about it, or shout or kick people, we'll just try and do better next time.

Clearly, a lot of people that don't share our views are playing in a lot of clans that also don't share our (and possibly their players) views. If clan leaders managed their clan mates expectations correctly, all this would go away. Instead of that, it's all about "me,me,me".

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Exactly this. Altho I am still having a hard time believing it is all about me,me,me. I wish someone had some better reasons (other then the cloud argument which in itself is kind of a me,me,me thing, but that is pushing all about anyway) for NOT doing frequent clan games or for that matter, clan games all the time.

The warring clans can still go to war. The farmer clans can still farm. The bb clans can still bb. Let the clan games clans do their thing. We finally have gotten a 4th way of playing the game which is fun and still its not good enough for some people. <sigh.>

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Originally Posted by JFSoul

"Dude" I did reply to your thread, but you ignored it like you have my other ones. And that hurts my feelings.

In my opinion, when you use quotes in response, you're purposely ignoring the content of the discussion and resorting to tactics to make one feel inferior.



But that's just my opinion.

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Eh, sorry, but then I must have missed your reply with valid reasons. Can you point me to that reply?

Edit: Ahhh I see now, I missed your post because it is on the other page. I did not look back. Will read those now. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by Prutser

Dude, I am asking for valid reasons, instead you derail the discussion with this? Really?

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I think you are putting the burden of proof in the wrong quarter. People have given reasons that explain their thoughts that a slightly reduced frequency would be preferable. You’ve shot those down declaring them simply invalid because they don’t convince you, and are insisting they need to provide more in order to do that. They don’t - they’ve given their reasons that explain their viewpoints. Maybe instead of focusing on criticising what they say and attributing motives, instead you provide some arguments explaining why high frequency clan games are better for the game experience as opposed to moderate frequency over the longer term?