Clan Games Fallout

Very interesting questions Holps, and some very good responses. Any thread that has this many replies in a short space of time, is obviously a hot topic!

OK - I'm in 2 big clans (both at 45+ people). Main is Co in a constant war clan, and been there 3 years. That one has just passed 70k, so should get the top tier tonight.
Mini is leader of a more casual, weekend wars only clan, with kids of some of the players in the clan also. That clan is currently 11k short, and may not quite make the top tier in time.

Both clans have achieved the highest tier in every single games so far, but this one has really stretched us. It's probably due to the relatively low cap per person, combined with the regular (monotonous?) frequency of games recently.

I think this games has highlighted the freeloaders. It's so often the same 'casual' players that are late for war, slow to donate, but have 'been around a long time' (or are a friend/relative of someone in the clan.) And if we fail to achieve the top tier, I'm sure some will feel aggrieved at some of the kids of longstanding members, that have contributed little or nothing to the overall target.

We've been sending messages in chat, and cajoling, and occasional reminders via clan mails.

Overall, clan games have made clans more active, getting people working together, and added a new dimension to the game. I fully support this! I just think it's been too many without enough of a break, and whether we make the top tier or not, I'll be crossing my fingers that we DON'T get another one in 2 days time.

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Originally Posted by JusMe

I am leader of three clans, we played CG in two with different participation AND different results. Since I am very happy with the interest shown here, I will reply for both of these clans and our different strategies, efforts and observations for the clans.

Response for clan A - 30+ active accounts *quite a few multi-accounts*, continuous war clan

• Are you in a big clan that failed to reach the top tier due to inactive members and has it made you look at the make up of the clan and consider changes? No
• Are you in a smaller clan that has decided to push for fresh blood to reach higher tiers?
• If you are in a smaller clan has this made you considered a merger?
  Yes. We ended up teaming up with the active part of another clan because some of their clan members were clear they wouldn't work on these clan games and the active part wanted top rewards. We weren't sure we would be able to max out. Turns out that we had max tier on Sunday already.
  This is/was NOT a merger. We have formed an alliance that ended up working great. It would be awesome if SC would give us some extra tools to facilitate alliances without the need for merging
  
• Have you considered leaving your clan and looking for one that achieves better rewards? N/a
• Did you actually leave a long term clan to get better rewards? N/a
• Did your leadership make a decision not to push or pressure players regards Clan Tasks and you are satisfied which whatever effort people made in your existing clan? N/a
• If you have never considered leadership has this encouraged you to take control or if you are in a leadership roll has this put you off it with the extra responsibility? I am the leader, I have planned some extra game time for this. Being clear about expectations and actually communicate with your clannies helps, a lot.... an opt out or whatever might be a good tool, if at all possible
• Has this changed your clan in anyway either foreseen or unforeseen? Everyone hyped each other more than we had expected - nice surprise; no changes for the longer term expected

Response for clan II - 15+ active accounts, ~10 less active accounts, some multi-accounts, continuous war clan

• Are you in a big clan that failed to reach the top tier due to inactive members and has it made you look at the make up of the clan and consider changes? No
• Are you in a smaller clan that has decided to push for fresh blood to reach higher tiers? No time, and unfortunately not really any good response on our checking worldwide and so on - fresh blood would be appreciated, but it's hard to come by for us
• If you are in a smaller clan has this made you considered a merger? Not at this time, Clan Games are an optional extra due to busy lives
• Have you considered leaving your clan and looking for one that achieves better rewards? I personally have thought of moving 2 of my 3 accounts, but decided to help the other active members to reach 30k, which happened this morning
• Did you actually leave a long term clan to get better rewards? No, not yet.
• Did your leadership make a decision not to push or pressure players regards Clan Tasks and you are satisfied which whatever effort people made in your existing clan? Clan Games are an optional extra, though we end up going the extra mile for that one higher tier if we can. We can't get far past 30k unfortunately with the current setup. For us, a higher max/account would really, really be appreciated
• If you have never considered leadership has this encouraged you to take control or if you are in a leadership roll has this put you off it with the extra responsibility? Leadership role, as a clan it's been decided it's an 'optional' thing, though we also have decided to now boot those who are at the bottom every time, yet are online half the day or more
• Has this changed your clan in anyway either foreseen or unforeseen? Not really, though there is some frustration/annoyance about those 'not really' participating continuously, besides booting those after several warnings, no change expected

Speaking for myself and my partner (we both have more accounts in all our clans), the clan games are a nice addition and we love them. People can pick and choose, and if you have a solid clan (and we know we are in solid clans, which is worth a lot) you can simply discuss what you want to get from a specific set of games and then see what is the best way to get there.

Yes, some tools would be appreciated, like opt in or opt out, or maybe have members specify how many points they will aim for in a set of games. I understand the cry for 'management should set limits', but I beg to differ. This would only be a good tool if it could be customized per account, and not just be 'one for all' in a clan. People have lives outside of CoC. People can be off, have an issue with their devices, have other obligations and so on, that might prevent them from reaching an agreed goal - yet they contribute to the clan in more ways than 'just' in clan games, so we want them to get their rewards too, and let them help the clan in their own way...

As stated for the first clan: we took a leap of faith after I posted a post in this forum asking smaller clans to join forces. We DID team up with actives from another clan, and one person with three accounts who wanted to get max rewards. It was a leap, but we were prepared to take the risk, and thankfully it went great. Everyone is a winner here and in case of bigger events we certainly will check if we can help each other out again. THIS is the spirit!

Thank you for this post Holps ... also great responses so far :).

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We're the other clan of the partnership with JusMe's clan A. We really enjoyed being able to do clan games this way, and all of my members (7 accounts, I think) that went over were very happy with the hospitality that we were shown and getting to max rewards in clan games. If we would have stayed home and done clan games in RWL, we wouldn't have gotten past the 30k, probably stuck around 42k or so due to inactives, clan game burnout, other life stuff. When I went in to the partnership with JusMe, I wanted to be able to provide the opportunity for max rewards for those people in my clan that kill it every time.

Back at home, there was a little blowback from clan members that either chose to stay or weren't active enough to effectively participate in the partnership. JusMe and another of JusMe's clan members sent over 2 alt accounts to try to boost the points of the members that started behind and were struggling to get past the 12k and 18k points. JusMe was willing to send more to get them to the 30k point, but there really wasn't enough initiative from the inactives to push for more points. The willingness to help out (and sacrifice full rewards in JusMe's clan) really reflects the spirit of the partnership and cooperation that multi-clan partnerships could bring to this game.

I share this because I think our experience hits on an area of clash that has lots of unexplored potential, multi-clan partnerships. Not mergers where one clan submits to another or both clans disappear, but partnerships that allow both autonomous entities to work together but maintain sovereignty. With some in-game communication tools between clans (something between clan chat and global) and official support for this type of super-clan construct, it could open up the game for exciting extensions to existing game content that. The biggest hurdle that we found in our experience was trying to leave RWL and join JusMe's clan (both clans closed to random invites to prevent hoppers during games, and we had a 7-10 hour time difference) and donations while the other half of the clan was asleep (I missed not having my alt right there to fill my donation requests). We fixed both problems by having accounts ferry others over and having multiple people come over for donations, but it would be much easier with an official alliance system.

Overall, I would highly suggest that smaller clans or clans with limited number of actives explore a clan partnership. It's a great opportunity to meet new people that you'd never meet sitting in your own clan, and it can allow you to do right by your active clan members without having to just tell everyone to permanently join a larger clan. I know that the apprehension of leaving a clan temporarily for a week after you've been in the same clan for years is very real, but the experience is well worth taking the leap. As long as you have some people that speak the same language as your clan, don't let language be a barrier to trying it. Google translate works just fine for for figuring out what a "gunsteling" is. Also, I might add that it's a great way for leaders to be able to enjoy "just being a member" for a few days.

In a friends and family clan (not my friends or my family). Mid sized, that will not hit more than the 30k rewards. I don’t think anyone cares and there are no requirements to participate. I view the rewards as extra perks for doing things I would already do. If I get some great, if not no big deal.

Personally, maxed out both accounts, and if someone less active does 1 activity and gets 50 points and gets the same reward, good for them, hope it helps them progress.

Are you in a big clan that failed to reach the top tier due to inactive members and has it made you look at the make up of the clan and consider changes? no, clan of 50 and typically finish in half the time.
Are you in a smaller clan that has decided to push for fresh blood to reach higher tiers? NA
If you are in a smaller clan has this made you considered a merger? NA
Have you considered leaving your clan and looking for one that achieves better rewards? No
Did you actually leave a long term clan to get better rewards? No
Did your leadership make a decision not to push or pressure players regards Clan Tasks and you are satisfied which whatever effort people made in your existing clan? We pushed at first and then realized we were completing the event in half the time, scaled back and then basically made it similar to our donation requirements, if you want rewards than play and contribute, anybody getting 40 points and stopping is a leech.
If you have never considered leadership has this encouraged you to take control or if you are in a leadership roll has this put you off it with the extra responsibility? No, good clan mates and great Co Leaders make all COC life easier
Has this changed your clan in anyway either foreseen or unforeseen? Clan is more active, engineers were killing it and this was a shock to the system. But I see clan games as a temporary fix not long term activity draw.

I am in a 50 person clan. When there were 3 days left on this set of games we had 50k points and I was starting to worry we would not make it. We booted 2 of the 7 people that never even logged in to look at the clan games and replaced them (though we replaced them with people that could not play this set of games). We also asked our normally lazy members to step up and we reached 75k with about a day and half left on the clock. This last games is the first time I have been worried we might not make it.

As for the future, all I really care is that we always get the max reward. This time people stepped up but I am not entirely sure that will always be the case. I am likely to be lazy about booting people since we have yet to fail to get the top reward, but if we ever miss it for even one clan game, I plan to boot the bottom 10 to 15 people and attempt to replace them with people that take the games seriously.

It doesn't take that many serious players to get the top reward and I am always happy to get the max number of points in every clan games. This games had 10 people that reached 3000 points so my clan does not have all that many people that truly take them seriously, but we have enough so far. It is the people that don't get 1000 points over the course of a full 7 days that are not making enough of an effort in my opinion, but for now we will likely keep them as long as we don't fail a clan games.

I run a small clan of 8 regulars and a revolving door of new members, most of which get kicked for not attacking in war. 5 members, including myself, have gotten the maximum points in all the clan games. A couple of other members have contributed to the games in varying amounts. I am always trying to increase the clan size, not just for the games. I would not give up my clan to merge with another just for the games nor would I leave my clan. I have encourage others to participate by messaging that they only need to complete one challenge to get the rewards. I would not kick a "freeloader" because I consider any contribution to the clan to be positive. I don't think this has changed my clan other than some of us have been more active achieving the challenges.

There is a recurring point that I would agree with....there was a helluva lot going on at one time for a bear of very little brain to manage. Clan War,Extended Clan Games, Double XP events plus the everyday task of Clash, Clan management and the Builder Base.....I'm going to need a break after these games so I might play some Hay Day.

Are you in a big clan that failed to reach the top tier due to inactive members and has it made you look at the make up of the clan and consider changes?
-we have 38+ and have reached the top tier in every clan game so far.


Are you in a smaller clan that has decided to push for fresh blood to reach higher tiers?
-we added our clan games results to our forum recruitment to help attract new members.


If you are in a smaller clan has this made you considered a merger?
-For the latest games, we combined with a smaller clan to allow both of us to reach the top tier. After getting their, they went back to their clan.


Have you considered leaving your clan and looking for one that achieves better rewards?
-no. Been the leader here for 5 years.


Did you actually leave a long term clan to get better rewards?
No


Did your leadership make a decision not to push or pressure players regards Clan Tasks and you are satisfied which whatever effort people made in your existing clan?
-We have added clan games as part of our activity calculation to determine if any members need removed from the clan. There is some resentment from the members that consistently max their points about those who only complete one of two simple challenges and get the same rewards.


If you have never considered leadership has this encouraged you to take control or if you are in a leadership roll has this put you off it with the extra responsibility?
N/A


Has this changed your clan in anyway either foreseen or unforeseen?
-Clan activity has increased as a result of the games. We have also seen more upgrades happening which keeps people excited.


Thanks for collecting information from clan leadership.

My answer is short, our clan reached tier V and are happy

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Originally Posted by Holps

In response to a number of threads about Clan Games and rewards I am really interested in the views of players that either run, or help run clans regards what they intend to do going forward. I didn't really want to couch this in the style of a poll style thread but I have a few questions so it's a bit difficult to do it other than in a crude list form.

• Are you in a big clan that failed to reach the top tier due to inactive members and has it made you look at the make up of the clan and consider changes? No
• Are you in a smaller clan that has decided to push for fresh blood to reach higher tiers? rebuilding was in progress not due to games
• If you are in a smaller clan has this made you considered a merger? did it loved it ,best thing we did as a clan was speak with each other about migrating to another clan who posted in Clan chat sub forum, with full intention of all returning home. ACHIEVED
• Have you considered leaving your clan and looking for one that achieves better rewards? Not a chance,
  that's like waking up one day and saying "oh I'm going to support spurs" NEVER GONNA HAPPEN(we go out on loan for a game or 2 from here on, but Gooners pay the wages so to speak)
• Did you actually leave a long term clan to get better rewards? No my name is not Gaël Nasri-Fàbregas-Sanchez
• Did your leadership make a decision not to push or pressure players regards Clan Tasks and you are satisfied which whatever effort people made in your existing clan? Did it once before and hated it, after the games that required 18k for a BoH or BoB I got a bit irate and threw my dummy out the pram and scolded other members as we only reached 16.5k(think the personal limit was 2k) next day apologized as yes I'm the joint leader,
  but 12 of us came from another clan 3 years ago, it's our clan not mine
• If you have never considered leadership has this encouraged you to take control or if you are in a leadership roll has this put you off it with the extra responsibility? No quite the opposite now an alliance has been made with this other Clan, we know as a clan what we can achieve and the other clan know now when to ask for our assistance
• Has this changed your clan in anyway either foreseen or unforeseen? More active definitely, but fear some may have burnt out(myself included)was definitely looking likely for some due to the frequency, but we are back to it's just a game enjoy it,
  if we hadn't helped the other clan we would have just trudged along at a steady pace this round

Please don't turn this into a comment thread about Clan Games themselves (such as tier rewards etc) because there are plenty of those threads already I am really driving at how it might affect clans going forward...if at all?

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