That's nice and all but... Could I get my fun back now?

Now I've been playing bit over a year. Had a blast for quite a while, but for few weeks, the fun is rapidly fading away. Why? I upgraded my TH to 10 and few days after, the last patch put it's nails into the coffin. I see the same issues bothering many of my clannies and quite some forumers, though I am only speaking for myself.

Now I get and accept the "pay to win", that the game has been from day1, but I'm having hard time to follow the "pay to play after certain point" ideology, especially as I have paid. No, I don't want my money back, I want my fun back. Fun of raiding and progressing in the game. Now I'm not doing either, as it appears am bleeding all my resources and gaining very little back. So the return of my time invested is really poor. I don't mind the 14d upgrades, but I do mind scraping 50k profits 20mins apart. And that's on a good day...

I had a discussion open on another thread, but very few did join in. But you know me, I rather discuss than fight...
So a bit more refined list of improvements is here:
These changes ought to improve the gameplay in all trophy ranges.
mk2 suggestion
added comments to ideas to clear the "why"s
*** increased league bonus by one "notch", so everyone would get the bonus from one league level above them
(Possibly a small % increase of elixir to masters and up)
fairly easy to understand, more resources are needed to keep people progressing

*** defense victory bonus: 20% of the cost of the attacker's army + the search cost to find the target in gold (not cumulative, just the cost for that specific click)
Small bonus to defender for fending off an attack. Also gives bit back from DE zappers

*** progressive search cost. Start from 100, add 100 for every search, cap at 5000
Fight your own level, not snipe the easy targets. We don't really want all them TH3's in champs

*** 12 attacks or 6 hours online warrants a break for 5 minutes.
More available targets high up and farmers gotta play defense, too

*** 50 gems to boost 5 buildings for 4 hours (so 10 gems to boost spells and barracks for 4hrs)
So everyone could boost their stuff at least once a month.

*** shield after every defense. For every attempt, 20 min shield to restock CC and traps. Otherwise:
10 hr shield for 40%, 12 hrs for 60%, 14 hrs for 80% and 16hrs for 95%
( So no real benefit of having TH outside, as that's like 1% )
Stars would be awarded the same as now, only shields differently. More targets high up with shorter shields.

*** limit the min&max trophies won/lost to 5 & 35 Regardless of difference. (For 3* victory)
Bit less unpredictability for high up, reducing the desire to want to bend the rules

*** revenge cups limited to 0-40, also giving league bonus of the lower one's league.
No more big hits from cup droppers

*** one extra level on collectors for Th9, one more for Th10
More resources where it's needed most

The given numbers are just rough estimates, but they ought to be quite close to sweet spot.

Now, if you, the reader, agree with the suggested changes, say you agree. If you think something ought to be added/changed, write that. If you don't agree at all with anything, close the tab and move on.

Hopefully, by the end of the day, someone working for SC would comment on the whole thread... After that, you can bury this all to where ever. Till then, hoping this would stay in General.

I think what u said about higher loot bonus would be great! Would be very helpful considering my current loot bonus barely pays for my wallbreAkers used :)

- 8 attacks or 8 hours online warrants a break

This happens i'm outta here and never looking back I spend a lot of time working to get resources for upgrades i rushed my town hall and its not that I rushed it I didn't know any better so ive got to fight lots to stand any chance of trying to upgrade. I really think you need to put more though into your ideas im not even a top line player this would kill off the game in one monent!

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- 8 attacks or 8 hours online warrants a break

This happens i'm outta here and never looking back I spend a lot of time working to get resources for upgrades i rushed my town hall and its not that I rushed it I didn't know any better so ive got to fight lots to stand any chance of trying to upgrade. I really think you need to put more though into your ideas im not even a top line player this would kill off the game in one monent!

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5 minute break every 8 hours or 8 attacks is too much?

Also, how should it be then?

In only a town hall 8, but I think it is a pretty good idea

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5 minute break every 8 hours or 8 attacks is too much?

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8 hours isnt the problem I mostly play when it says when my troops are ready but when start sniping a few town halls fast 8 attacks can be quite fast. Forced break even for 5 mins come on really need to come to that you asking for the game to go down hill

8 attacks is too few. 8 hours might be a bit long. Let's agree to break every 4 hours.

I think increasing the league bonus would help because you might be able to win back what you invest in those fight. Everybody is afraid to touch the 20% cap, and since people are leaving ♥♥♥♥ in storage, increasing the cap wouldn't help. But league would.

And I've said it once and say it again. If the league bonus would be per star (let say the actual would be for 2 stars), people would make better attacks and would enjoy fighting more instead of just trying to reach crystal by snipping outside TH.

I don't mind that much only getting 50k per attack on elix since I don't have so many upgrades left that require elix. And I make 400k each day with my collectors. But it took away the fun of attacking since we didn't mind building crazy armies because we had too many exil anyway. It's not the case anymore.

- 8 attacks or 8 hours online warrants a break

this better not come true. You can have 8 attacks in under an hour... 8 attacks or 8 hrs is a huge difference and we already have the 8 hour break thing...

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I can't imagine that working well,
The reason is obvious and most can tell,
Happily dropping trophies for farming's sake,
8 archers later: Take a break.

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May I ask what trophy range you're in?

I have been farming 2600-2750 for many months with much success. The game play for me from TH9 to TH10 is very different. I went from ~15 min build to a ~30 min build. The resource per hour has gone down but the avg pull per raid hasn't differ all that much.

Now that spells cost elixer, I am now free to spam as many spells as i wish and still make a substantial profit on gold. Elixer is and always will be a byproduct. I am not playing much these days but I am able to farm 4 of my L12 Archer Towers since the patch.

I do feel that the current league bonus up to Masters III is fair. They should raise the bonus for upper masters and champion league though.

Sorry, no fun allowed.

http://i.imgur.com/2ASZpVS.jpg

Im truly sorry for your experience as a new th10 into the game, not saying you are new but the experience of th10 itself. I do agree in everything you suggested. I also have paid to have fun, or win whichever is more accurate.

I have to admit im a huge gemmer as my spending of gems reflects my impatient habits. Im on the point of a max th10(only 230m gold grab), with only L12 archers remaining to farm. I can definitely understand the struggle of a new th10 (I didnt gem all at once), and how it is a major turn off from how much loot starved it can be. Farming armies, whats that? Th10 now has to use trophy armies just to profit enough gold/exiler.

With that said, I just wanted to know how are you farming? I am farming steady 3m-5m a day from playing 8 hours (all at work, hehe) or farming 10k-15k de with 2m-3m gold.

Try using balloons/minions around 2200-2400, its a steady 300k gold an hour and 10k de, sometimes more with abandoned bases.

Or if you have these troops max, Im using a non-de profit army : 12 giants, 18 hogs, 8 wb, 20 goblin, 50 archers army. 15m army, 100k-300k gold per attack

Both armies, I still profit exiler while using 1-5 spells with spell boost (huge gemmer :( )

You can usually see my base going from 2000 to 2600 and back down as I switch armies (depending on de upgrades that are needed or lack of de).

There does seem to be a history with max th levels ot being good for farming, first at th9 and now at th10. Im not sure if supercell is trying to make the highest level exclusive to gemmers / cup hunters but i am glad im stuck at th9 for a while. Wish I had some advice for you but that's what my impression of what top level th play seems to be like from my time here on the forums.

Glad to see you made another thread!

Game is dead for me too.

Yep games slowly dying for me as well... really shouldn't have to search over and over to find decent loot. Maybe decrease the loot penalty for Th9 attacking each other and TH10 attacking each other. I really wouldn't mind people being able to take more loot from me if i have the chance of actually finding some decent villages.

Maybe as many others have mentioned... make it so the TH holds more loot 50 even 100k, this way the quick shields for farmers will slowly stop.

Increased league bonus by one "notch" is the best idea :D.

I agree to everything except lack of the free shield for destoryed town hall. 15min shield to restock CC and traps isn't enough - I don't restock at night . How about 8hr shield if CC troops killed or half of traps destroyed?

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Increased league bonus by one "notch" is the best idea :D.

I agree to everything except lack of the free shield for destoryed town hall. 15min shield to restock CC and traps isn't enough - I don't restock at night . How about 8hr shield if CC troops killed or half of traps destroyed?

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I think the word "free" on the shield is kinda the reason why so many want rid of it :) I think many would atill snipe the TH if it's outside for just the bonus, so the rest of the base is relatively safe. The cheap shield was seen as abuse by many, same with the free shield that farmers use. I'm currently enjoying my free shields as much as any, but I think removing some cheap tricks would be healthy for the game.

@fob, have tried 1400-2200 with slim luck finding anything worth attacking. One or two a day, maybe, but rest just 50k or so. Trying to save elixir for those goblins, so can't use heavy hitters as much.

8 attacks and forced break isn't going to work.

Besides the fact it won't be feasible for those dropping cups (which I know in an ideal world wouldn't be happening). Also, if you can still get attacked more than 8 times, then it's unbalanced. Yes you'll presumably get a lot of trophies if that were to happen...but there needs to be balance.

Clarification of the progressive search costs...100, then 200, 300 etc...900, 1000, then 1250, 1500 etc..
or 100, 200...900, 1000, 250, 250?

I'm all for the raised bonuses...but I can't see it having that much of an effect in the sense that it's not glaringly obvious to ppl, so that when they see a base worth 50k, it's not worth attacking, forgetting that if they won, they'd get xk on top of that.

The TH / % destroyed to shield time given is another interesting debate. IMO, if you got this better/right, than the loot would follow...because more bases should be available more often. I've said months if not a year ago now that 12hours is too much for 40% or the TH destroyed. I'm not even that active, but a 12hr shield for 100% destroyed seems OK to me.

Cup numbers seems an OK direction to go...but it would involve them re-programming their cup system, and they do like that. You'd hope that had they known about the 0-200 trophies and the levels that cups would reach they might have programmed things differently, so there wouldn't be a discussion about it anyway...but hey.

15 min shield for traps would not work in most situations, it would be much more benificiel to have an auto reset button so that you could chose either to have you traps rearm automatically (provided you had sufficent gold) or not. CC could also have an auto request setting if you lose on defence.

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Clarification of the progressive search costs...100, then 200, 300 etc...900, 1000, then 1250, 1500 etc.. .

Cup numbers seems an OK direction to go...but it would involve them re-programming their cup system, and they do like that. You'd hope that had they known about the 0-200 trophies and the levels that cups would reach they might have programmed things differently, so there wouldn't be a discussion about it anyway...but hey.

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That progression on the cost.

Yes, the cup system change, albeit relatively necessary for higher ups, might be too much. And it might take a whole month from the crew to make a change like that so all the other development... ;)

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15 min shield for traps would not work in most situations, it would be much more benificiel to have an auto reset button so that you could chose either to have you traps rearm automatically (provided you had sufficent gold) or not. CC could also have an auto request setting if you lose on defence.

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But it would reward an active player. You get higher chance of winning a def if you remembered to restock traps.

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- increased league bonus by one "notch", so everyone would get the bonus from one league level above them
(Possibly a small % increase of elixir to masters and up)

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I'm all for this.

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- defense victory bonus: 20% of the cost of the attacker's army + the search cost to find the target in gold (not cumulative, just the cost for that specific click)

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I don't feel like this will have much of an impact, but I don't see anything necessarily wrong with it, given the somewhat small rewards.

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- progressive search cost. Start from 100, add 100 for every search up to 1000, then +250 per next. same for every TH.

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I'm confused by this. Are you saying that after 10 searches it will cost 1k, 1.25k, 1.5k, etc.? That ramps up awfully quickly in my opinion, if that's what you are saying.

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Farmers will absolutely hate this. They will be taking personal breaks in less than an hour in some cases. Not cool.

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- 50 gems to boost 5 buildings for 4 hours (so 10 gems to boost spells and barracks for 4hrs)

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Cheaper boosts? Sure, I would love that.

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- shield after every defense. For every attempt, 15min shield to restock CC and traps. Otherwise:
---- 8 hr shield for 40%, 10 hrs for 60%, 12 hrs for 80% and 16hrs for 95%
( So no real benefit of having TH outside, as that's like 1% )

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I like the idea of having a small shield after a defense. As for the shields, I think each duration except for the 16 hr shield should be increased by 2 hours.

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- limit the min&max trophies won/lost to 5 & 30. Regardless of difference. (For 3* victory)

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This one is a little dicey. What this would do is essentially remove the upper bound for trophies, but this could be mitigated by your 8 attack limit. But, again, the 8 attack limit isn't something I can ever see happening.

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- revenge cups limited to 0-40, also giving league bonus of the lower one's league.

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I like this.



Ok, personal aside incoming.


I have all but quit the game already. After I hit champ league, and climbed up the US leaderboards, I feel like I kinda "won" the game, and now I'm forced to go back to farming. Farming was fun to me for about 2-3 months when it was first pointed out to me, but only because it was relieving the loot pressures I had felt for months prior as a noob cupper. Farming to me is merely a means to an end, and once that end has been reached, it feels pointless to me.

After I dropped, I have been struggling to even keep builders busy. I have 3 coming free within the next 36 hours or so, and I barely have 3 million gold. And it doesn't bother me anymore. I have said my piece on the forums, and thankfully SC raised those bonuses just enough to let me go hunting for real. I greatly appreciate that, and I can't really complain too much now. SC isn't willing to destroy low cup farming in favor of a unified system, and that's what it would take to get me interested in. I know this, and I accept this. I'm hanging around for my clannies and the forum now.

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But it would reward an active player. You get higher chance of winning a def if you remembered to restock traps.

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the reset should only happen if you are attacked and don't get a shield

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- progressive search cost. Start from 100, add 100 for every search up to 1000, then +250 per next. same for every TH.
- 8 attacks or 8 hours online warrants a break
- shield after every defense. For every attempt, 15min shield to restock CC and traps. Otherwise:
---- 8 hr shield for 40%, 10 hrs for 60%, 12 hrs for 80% and 16hrs for 95%
( So no real benefit of having TH outside, as that's like 1% )
- limit the min&max trophies won/lost to 5 & 30. Regardless of difference. (For 3* victory)

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I think the ones listed above would cause a huge culture shock throughout CoC. They would completely change a lot of people's gameplay and perception of the game.

A few thoughts to add more loot into the active player base:
1. increase resource generators, say how much they produce increases by 20% and their capacity increases by 50% to 100%. This would help out active players in general, and make inactive bases ramp up faster to be feisty meals.
2. the loot penalty is something that is maintained by logging in. If you are inactive for more than 3 days, the loot penalty starts to be removed until after a full week of being logged off any TH level will get at least 100% loot from that inactive base.

This would have more impact on silver to gold range, but it would pump more resources into the active players bases.

Thanks for the OP very well thought out ideas that may help the direction of the game. The only part I don't agree is the 8 attacks and than taking a break. That will really limit and frustrate people overall, handcuffing them from progressive attacking. My belief is the 8 hour forced break is just about right.

All that being said I see myself in the exact same position as Zach and OJM. Townhall 10 for a about 2 months, for the first time since July 2012 have 3 idle builders. I'm now loggin in just to donate and ride all sheilds out instead of aggresive attacking. I don't plan on quiting completely just donate and attack once or twice. I think the game has just reached its natural life cycle for me, who knows maybe something will get me back but ive been on a two week break and now it feels like a chore just to do a raid.

I've had an amazing time with the game, made some pretty good online friends, best of luck everyone.

A couple of issues still need to be addressed, but I am having plenty of fun.

I disagree with pretty much every suggestion.

Hey OJM,

i am currently in the same situation as you.
My TH10 finished about 3 days before the update and its been absolutely terrible since. :(

im not going to comment on your ideas cause like me, any change to your advantage in loot would be a help. (this is obvious)
Im more concerned about the game being over.
the fun has been more than sapped cause raiding 300k + at 1600 as a TH9 was way more fun than dumping a really expensive army on a TH10 in Crystal with half the return at best. (and thats not even taking the army into consideration)

Maybe, as someone said, TH10 is reserved for gemmers but what are the maxed TH9's supposed to do? sit there full or go to the next level??
i went to the next level and im paying for it with a years investment in my base that will soon become dead cause there is nothing more i can do but struggle... and struggling isnt fun :(:(:(

Ok...I'm not a th10 just 9 atm and this past month and a half the game has slowly faded for me....mainly because i have to constantly search up to 10 mins just to find a good 300k each or more raid but the game in general feels like its on a downward spiral...even my clan wich had been non stop active for the last 6 months has slowly dwindled down to barely even playing the game....to be completely honest some of your ideas may/may not work but it all boils down to the loot in the game...all supercell has to do is quit hiding all the damn inactives put then in the que the same as an active person then i bet loot would be better...

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Now I've been playing bit over a year. Had a blast for quite a while, but for few weeks, the fun is rapidly fading away. Why? I upgraded my TH to 10 and few days after, the last patch put it's nails into the coffin. I see the same issues bothering many of my clannies and quite some forumers, though I am only speaking for myself.

Now I get and accept the "pay to win", that the game has been from day1, but I'm having hard time to follow the "pay to play after certain point" ideology, especially as I have paid. No, I don't want my money back, I want my fun back. Fun of raiding and progressing in the game. Now I'm not doing either, as it appears am bleeding all my resources and gaining very little back. So the return of my time invested is really poor. I don't mind the 14d upgrades, but I do mind scraping 50k profits 20mins apart. And that's on a good day...

I had a discussion open on another thread, but very few did join in. But you know me, I rather discuss than fight...
So a bit more refined list of improvements is here:
These changes ought to improve the gameplay in all trophy ranges.
- increased league bonus by one "notch", so everyone would get the bonus from one league level above them
(Possibly a small % increase of elixir to masters and up)
- defense victory bonus: 20% of the cost of the attacker's army + the search cost to find the target in gold (not cumulative, just the cost for that specific click)
- progressive search cost. Start from 100, add 100 for every search up to 1000, then +250 per next. same for every TH.
- 8 attacks or 8 hours online warrants a break
- 50 gems to boost 5 buildings for 4 hours (so 10 gems to boost spells and barracks for 4hrs)
- shield after every defense. For every attempt, 15min shield to restock CC and traps. Otherwise:
---- 8 hr shield for 40%, 10 hrs for 60%, 12 hrs for 80% and 16hrs for 95%
( So no real benefit of having TH outside, as that's like 1% )
- limit the min&max trophies won/lost to 5 & 30. Regardless of difference. (For 3* victory)
- revenge cups limited to 0-40, also giving league bonus of the lower one's league.

The given numbers are just rough estimates, but they ought to be quite close to sweet spot.

Now, if you, the reader, agree with the suggested changes, say you agree. If you think something ought to be added/changed, write that. If you don't agree at all with anything, close the tab and move on.

Hopefully, by the end of the day, someone working for SC would comment on the whole thread... After that, you can bury this all to where ever. Till then, hoping this would stay in General.

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I agree with you on all your points except the 8 attacks thing.The last time i got any fun outta this game was during the mine and pump boost for a gem week.Loot was plentiful,logged on to attack more,upgraded stuff and had to buy gems,which i swore i would never do again just to finish my upgrades and start another.Now everything is just plain old boring grind,my clan is all but dead,upgrades take so long now you don't log in for long just to dump a few troops ,have a raid,forget about the game.Shame because it was awesome game.I would go for trophies ,but after reading about elixir bleeding it isn't worth the trouble.

Town hall tens should get another level to mines and pumps to offset the slowness of collecting loot or give it permanent boost.It won't effect the economy in a bad way or else why have one for a week.

[QUOTE=Growler;1069381]A couple of issues still need to be addressed, but I am having plenty of fun.

I disagree with pretty much every suggestion.[/QUOTE

what level are you and what is your town hall?

Edited the suggestion according to some commentary :)

Editer parts bolded in the first post.

8 attacks?? I do more than that on a hour!!!

I agree with the rest though. A game shouldn't be boring to play, kinda ruins the purpose. :)

That progressive search cost would be crazy. I'm surprised many haven't commented on that. Perhaps they didn't work the math.

I don't really see how these changes would increase available loot enough to reduce the number of searches enough to make that at all palatable.

I don't see many people going for a forced break after 8 attacks either.

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2. the loot penalty is something that is maintained by logging in. If you are inactive for more than 3 days, the loot penalty starts to be removed until after a full week of being logged off any TH level will get at least 100% loot from that inactive base.

This would have more impact on silver to gold range, but it would pump more resources into the active players bases.

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I really like this idea. Maybe the number of inactive days could be tweaked before the loot penalty is removed, but this would certainly pump more loot into the game. Having said that, I am doubtful SC will implement.

Nice post OJM, I am surprised at the brevity (by OJM standards) but agree with all you said, excluding the forced break after a certain number of attacks. I think others have accurately stated some of the issues farmers would have.

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That progressive search cost would be crazy. I'm surprised many haven't commented on that. Perhaps they didn't work the math.

I don't really see how these changes would increase available loot enough to reduce the number of searches enough to make that at all palatable.

I don't see many people going for a forced break after 8 attacks either.

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The reason the progressive seach cost isn't getting much attention is because you can just restart the search anytime. You just have to weigh when the search cost becomes more burdensome than losing troop training time. Still, I agree that it's way too much.

This is a quote from the Supercell CEO:

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I agree with yours, and a number of other players posts, this game is almost becoming unplayable after a certain point. We, the forum community, are the hardcore players putting in hours and hours daily. If we're struggling or getting stuck then what hope is there for the casual or average players?

Maybe Supercell should run a few reports to see what are the playing habits of players after level 80ish or TH10. If they're reducing then offer some changes to keep them playing.

Source of quote: http://mashable.com/2013/11/13/supercell-apps-success/

[QUOTE=badnoybubbie;1069417]

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A couple of issues still need to be addressed, but I am having plenty of fun.

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what level are you and what is your town hall?

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Level 128, TH10.

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The reason the progressive seach cost isn't getting much attention is because you can just restart the search anytime. You just have to weigh when the search cost becomes more burdensome than losing troop training time. Still, I agree that it's way too much.

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I see, so there are two things in the list to lower the rate of attacking and increase the amount of waiting. That's really not the direction the game should take.

This is all geared around forcing people to play a certain way then. Why am i not surprised?

Lemme guess. OJM likes to login once an hour or some such to attack and of course the rest of us should too.

me2
i had lots of fun last 1/2 year in playing and raiding.
Right now its less

TH11 would probably sort everything out nicely. :rolleyes:

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mk2 suggestion
- increased league bonus by one "notch", so everyone would get the bonus from one league level above them
(Possibly a small % increase of elixir to masters and up)

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Totally agree. It think that would put leagues where they need to be (as it stands right now)

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The more I think about some sort of bonus for winning a defense is appropriate. Its just hard to predict the end result on player behavior.

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- progressive search cost. Start from 100, add 100 for every search, cap at 5000

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I don't mind the current system but I also don't mind this.


[QUOTE=OJM;1069138]- 12 attacks or 6 hours online warrants a break for 5 minutes.[quote]
I really don't see how this would be bad. Even BAM would likely take 3 hours to hit 12 attacks. However, I think this should kick in after say TH6? Earlier Th I don't think really need the enforced breaks.

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- 50 gems to boost 5 buildings for 4 hours (so 10 gems to boost spells and barracks for 4hrs)

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- shield after every defense. For every attempt, 20 min shield to restock CC and traps. Otherwise:
---- 10 hr shield for 40%, 12 hrs for 60%, 14 hrs for 80% and 16hrs for 95%
( So no real benefit of having TH outside, as that's like 1% )

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I think a TH should still be worth a star. However, I think saying you need at least 30-35% to get the shield would be sufficient in most cases to reduce sniping. I'm just thinking of hybrid bases where people do defend their TH but not as well.

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- limit the min&max trophies won/lost to 5 & 35 Regardless of difference. (For 3* victory)
- revenge cups limited to 0-40, also giving league bonus of the lower one's league.

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I will not comment because it doesn't affect me much

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Well thought out post.

I am interested in why you feel that there should be an 8 hour or 8 attack forced break? What benefit do you think that would bring? My first reaction to 8 attacks was "oh heck no" as I would be forced to break far too often for my liking! but im genuinely curious...

On a side note, I started my th10 upgrade a couple of weeks ago whilst i was attempting to get my champ badge. I hit 2801 which turned out to be my ceiling as i kept losing after that. I ended up getting terribly frustrated and slid back down to farming. At that point, I cancelled my TH upgrade as i felt that the loot penalty would mean HAVING to battle maxed 9s and 10s all the time to make any profit, and a reduced profit at that, and would be a complete game changer. After reading your story, Im kind of glad that i made that decision... I am far more of a th9 farmer than a th10 warrior, so im just sitting back and maxing out my level 10 walls and relaxing and having fun.... hopefully by the time i have finished, TH10 wont be the top of the food chain any more.

I come from a fun loving clan of farmers who do a push just once every couple of months, a lot of my clan are coming to the end of TH9 and are preparing to make the move... I do worry that it being so much harder will just mean that people will end up losing interest and walking away...

I agree that something needs to be done, but i fear I am not sure what that thing is... (although I love the idea of more league bonuses and more boosts for less gems!)

Why would it make sense for search costs to go up?
If anything they should go down as you search more than 20 times.
25% cost reduction after 20 searches and 50% reduction after 40 searches would be nice.
So much gold and, more importantly, time wasted Nexting through bases with less than 100k to raid.
This is what takes the fun out of the game.

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I am interested in why you feel that there should be an 8 hour or 8 attack forced break? What benefit do you think that would bring? My first reaction to 8 attacks was "oh heck no" as I would be forced to break far too often for my liking! but im genuinely curious...

On a side note, I started my th10 upgrade a couple of weeks ago whilst i was attempting to get my champ badge. I hit 2801 which turned out to be my ceiling as i kept losing after that. I ended up getting terribly frustrated and slid back down to farming. At that point, I cancelled my TH upgrade as i felt that the loot penalty would mean HAVING to battle maxed 9s and 10s all the time to make any profit, and a reduced profit at that, and would be a complete game changer. After reading your story, Im kind of glad that i made that decision... I am far more of a th9 farmer than a th10 warrior, so im just sitting back and maxing out my level 10 walls and relaxing and having fun.... hopefully by the time i have finished, TH10 wont be the top of the food chain any more.

I come from a fun loving clan of farmers who do a push just once every couple of months, a lot of my clan are coming to the end of TH9 and are preparing to make the move... I do worry that it being so much harder will just mean that people will end up losing interest and walking away...

I agree that something needs to be done, but i fear I am not sure what that thing is... (although I love the idea of more league bonuses and more boosts for less gems!)

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Yeah! That happens upgrades become unbearable,i had a few lvl 90 plus walk away then a lvl 100 and now there is constant churn to what was always a full clan.My clan chats are dead for hours people just donate ,receive and leave.Increased loot is the way to go,if more farmers had decent loot and could make progression up with trophies then that would solve loads of problems.There would be more targets at higher levels for a start.Not saying farming would die out or anything,but i am a lvl 121 and would gladly sit in master league if loot was not an issue and i could make armies who could attack high end bases constantly.

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I see, so there are two things in the list to lower the rate of attacking and increase the amount of waiting. That's really not the direction the game should take.

This is all geared around forcing people to play a certain way then. Why am i not surprised?

Lemme guess. OJM likes to login once an hour or some such to attack and of course the rest of us should too.

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Didn't see you suggest anything instead of that. It's always easy to say "no" compared to "no, instead should ..."

Those numbers are set as is to prevent the high cups sitting 24/7 and attacking all the time, but force them to defend. If 12 attacks in a row isn't enough, what is then? High cuppers wanted more available targets and preventing people sitting in front of the device all day long would do just that.

For me, I play how I have time. I might attack 20 times a row or once a day. Instead of suggesting exactly at how I want the game to be, I did read multiple threads and interpreted them. Personally I could not care less how the top cuppers play the game, or the HC farmers for that matter. Everyone can play the game how they want, but if one wants to have the game to work in a certain way, one has to constraint some things and let loose some other things.

I believe you should also add level 7 DE drill.
also a timer that shows how much time we have before we get kicked out by server for resting.

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Why would it make sense for search costs to go up?
If anything they should go down as you search more than 20 times.
25% cost reduction after 20 searches and 50% reduction after 40 searches would be nice.
So much gold and, more importantly, time wasted Nexting through bases with less than 100k to raid.
This is what takes the fun out of the game.

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Because you are not suppose to endlessly pick an easy target but fight in your own level.

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Because you are not suppose to endlessly pick an easy target but fight in your own level.

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None of these ideas actually make you fight people your own level though. Increasing league bonuses does help with that a tiny bit, but they need to be totally overhauled if you want that effect. All increasing search costs does is penalize people in the meantime.


Off topic: Off-Topic?

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So much gold and, more importantly, time wasted Nexting through bases with less than 100k to raid.
This is what takes the fun out of the game.

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Yeah, this is what's ruining the game for me. It's not fun spending 10 minutes and a lot of gold every time you go to raid. Too often there are no bases worth raiding.

I Agree.

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None of these ideas actually make you fight people your own level though. Increasing league bonuses does help with that a tiny bit, but they need to be totally overhauled if you want that effect. All increasing search costs does is penalize people in the meantime.


Off topic: Off-Topic?

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Carrot and stick.

Good question. Maybe there wasn't enough flaming to stay in General?

Btw, edited the first post bit moar.

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Fun of raiding and progressing in the game. Now I'm not doing either, as it appears am bleeding all my resources and gaining very little back. So the return of my time invested is really poor. I don't mind the 14d upgrades, but I do mind scraping 50k profits 20mins apart. And that's on a good day...

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Are you not raiding because you are waiting for troops or don't have enough resources to make them? Is that a 50K profit of elixir? I'm just having a tough time seeing what issues you are trying to resolve with the changes you propose.

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Good question. Maybe there wasn't enough flaming to stay in General?

Btw, edited the first post bit moar.

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I'm referring to IFR. Pretty concrete suggestions here.

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Are you not raiding because you are waiting for troops or don't have enough resources to make them? Is that a 50K profit of elixir? I'm just having a tough time seeing what issues you are trying to resolve with the changes you propose.

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Profit in gold, elixir profit usually much less.

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Because you are not suppose to endlessly pick an easy target but fight in your own level.

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I dont care what level they are, I just NEED them to have enough loot to make me happy about crushing them!

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I dont care what level they are, I just NEED them to have enough loot to make me happy about crushing them!

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Or big league bonus for walking over someone's base.

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Didn't see you suggest anything instead of that. It's always easy to say "no" compared to "no, instead should ..."

Those numbers are set as is to prevent the high cups sitting 24/7 and attacking all the time, but force them to defend. If 12 attacks in a row isn't enough, what is then? High cuppers wanted more available targets and preventing people sitting in front of the device all day long would do just that.

For me, I play how I have time. I might attack 20 times a row or once a day. Instead of suggesting exactly at how I want the game to be, I did read multiple threads and interpreted them. Personally I could not care less how the top cuppers play the game, or the HC farmers for that matter. Everyone can play the game how they want, but if one wants to have the game to work in a certain way, one has to constraint some things and let loose some other things.

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I provide suggestions all of the time. I'm about to write a very long winded post. But basically, IMO everything that is wrong with this game boils down to one thing. The game punishes progression. That is why people find it to be less fun as they advance. It's as simple as that.

The goal of game changes should be to allow people to play as they want whether that be farming or cup hunting instead of forcing them to play a certain way. That means new changes should open more advantageous options for players that were not there before (as opposed to making current ones worse). Thus players will want to willingly do them.

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Profit in gold, elixir profit usually much less.

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So where does the cost come from, just searching?

I've been at TH10 a couple months now. Maxed my mortars, wizards, camps, got all the new stuff to a reasonable level, some of the lab stuff. My lab has gone used for brief periods, and sometimes I have a sleepy builder. I've mostly been using BAM and rarely spells just to get more raids in and conserve resources. Most of the time I've farming about 1800 to 2200, some days are good some days are slow but progress is steady.

Edit: Mods? what is this? Hide the Thread Day?

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So where does the cost come from, just searching?

I've been at TH10 a couple months now. Maxed my mortars, wizards, camps, got all the new stuff to a reasonable level, some of the lab stuff. My lab has gone used for brief periods, and sometimes I have a sleepy builder. I've mostly been using BAM and rarely spells just to get more raids in and conserve resources. Most of the time I've farming about 1800 to 2200, some days are good some days are slow but progress is steady.

Edit: Mods? what is this? Hide the Thread Day?

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Searching, yep. I know I still got tons to learn on Th10 and even more to upgrade. Still, the fun went out the window. Also took me a while to find this thread and whadda ya know, it's fully buried after 5hrs. Can't have discussions like this out in the open, I guess.

@dahimi, yep.

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Now I've been playing bit over a year. Had a blast for quite a while, but for few weeks, the fun is rapidly fading away. Why? I upgraded my TH to 10 and few days after, the last patch put it's nails into the coffin. I see the same issues bothering many of my clannies and quite some forumers, though I am only speaking for myself.

Now I get and accept the "pay to win", that the game has been from day1, but I'm having hard time to follow the "pay to play after certain point" ideology, especially as I have paid. No, I don't want my money back, I want my fun back. Fun of raiding and progressing in the game. Now I'm not doing either, as it appears am bleeding all my resources and gaining very little back. So the return of my time invested is really poor. I don't mind the 14d upgrades, but I do mind scraping 50k profits 20mins apart. And that's on a good day...

I had a discussion open on another thread, but very few did join in. But you know me, I rather discuss than fight...
So a bit more refined list of improvements is here:
These changes ought to improve the gameplay in all trophy ranges.
mk2 suggestion
added comments to ideas to clear the "why"s
*** increased league bonus by one "notch", so everyone would get the bonus from one league level above them
(Possibly a small % increase of elixir to masters and up)
fairly easy to understand, more resources are needed to keep people progressing

*** defense victory bonus: 20% of the cost of the attacker's army + the search cost to find the target in gold (not cumulative, just the cost for that specific click)
Small bonus to defender for fending off an attack. Also gives bit back from DE zappers

*** progressive search cost. Start from 100, add 100 for every search, cap at 5000
Fight your own level, not snipe the easy targets. We don't really want all them TH3's in champs

*** 12 attacks or 6 hours online warrants a break for 5 minutes.
More available targets high up and farmers gotta play defense, too

*** 50 gems to boost 5 buildings for 4 hours (so 10 gems to boost spells and barracks for 4hrs)
So everyone could boost their stuff at least once a month.

*** shield after every defense. For every attempt, 20 min shield to restock CC and traps. Otherwise:
10 hr shield for 40%, 12 hrs for 60%, 14 hrs for 80% and 16hrs for 95%
( So no real benefit of having TH outside, as that's like 1% )
Stars would be awarded the same as now, only shields differently. More targets high up with shorter shields.

*** limit the min&max trophies won/lost to 5 & 35 Regardless of difference. (For 3* victory)
Bit less unpredictability for high up, reducing the desire to want to bend the rules

*** revenge cups limited to 0-40, also giving league bonus of the lower one's league.
No more big hits from cup droppers

*** one extra level on collectors for Th9, one more for Th10
More resources where it's needed most

The given numbers are just rough estimates, but they ought to be quite close to sweet spot.

Now, if you, the reader, agree with the suggested changes, say you agree. If you think something ought to be added/changed, write that. If you don't agree at all with anything, close the tab and move on.

Hopefully, by the end of the day, someone working for SC would comment on the whole thread... After that, you can bury this all to where ever. Till then, hoping this would stay in General.

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I like the green parts but I don't like the red ones

Asking for the town hall being destroyed to not give a long shield changes the entire game for the worse drastically... I shouldn't even have to explain why as to why it's so obvious.

Can i be elder i have dragons

I'm still waiting for the extra collector levels, they're so overdue it's ridiculous. Is it really that hard for SC to add them? Nope, but they spend their time adding trap upgrades, something I don't even think I ever saw suggested on the forums. :confused:

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I provide suggestions all of the time. I'm about to write a very long winded post. But basically, IMO everything that is wrong with this game boils down to one thing. The game punishes progression. That is why people find it to be less fun as they advance. It's as simple as that.

The goal of game changes should be to allow people to play as they want whether that be farming or cup hunting instead of forcing them to play a certain way. That means new changes should open more advantageous options for players that were not there before (as opposed to making current ones worse). Thus players will want to willingly do them.

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10 plus 1s

Looking back at things, this suggestion was bound to be buried, as it wasn't written for forumers, but everyone in the game. Now the ball is in SC's court, make your move.

/logoff

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Looking back at things, this suggestion was bound to be buried, as it wasn't written for forumers, but everyone in the game. Now the ball is in SC's court, make your move./logoff

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You're expecting too much. The people you're directing this to are the same people which let their own mods break the ToS. The line of communication has always been broken or extremely slow, so expect a reply within the next week.

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Looking back at things, this suggestion was bound to be buried, as it wasn't written for forumers, but everyone in the game. Now the ball is in SC's court, make your move.

/logoff

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I still don't see how your problem of losing gold in search is solved by your suggestions.