Hogs and counter acting their abilities with something

Hog riders are still over powered and we need a trap or a defense tower of some sort to counter act them and their abilities
For instance


(talking about general defenses,obviously x-bow and inferno are most effective against most troops,but what I'm talking about at the moment is common,most found and in all base type of defenses aswell as higher defenses later on. X-Bow and inferno apply to all,but I will state specifically when applicable)


**Note that tesla applies for all of the troops because it targets anything and has a high damage per second


-pekka
weakness:
•Tesla (double damage)
Trap weakness-N/A (Giant bomb is rather ineffective to her)


-dragon/healer/balloons
weakness:
•Air defense(in general)
•archer towers
•teslas for dragons and healers
•wizard tower is most effective against balloons
Trap weakness-
•Air bomb
•Seeking air mine


-Wizard
weakness:
•archer towers
•cannons
•wizard tower
•mortars(for mass murder)
~but this is all relevant for the wizards damage per second and low hitpoints,they are balanced in my opinion
Trap weakness-
•Bombs(in bulk or 2-3 weakens it a lot)
•Giant bombs
•Spring pads


-Giants
Weakness:
•Archer tower
•cannons
Trap weakness:
•Spring traps
•Giant bomb


-Wallbreakers
Weaknesses:
•Archer tower
•Cannons
•wizard tower
•tesla
•mortars
Trap weakness-
•spring pads
•Giants bomb(rarely helps)


-Archers-Barbarians-Goblins
Weakness:
•Wizard tower
•mortars
•archer towers
•cannons
•tesla
Trap weakness-
•spring pads
•Giant bombs
•bombs


-minions
Weakness:
•Wizards tower
-(multiple targets *splash damage*)
•air defense (single target)
•archer tower/s (single target)
•tesla (single target)
~most/the rest are useless when this troop is used in bulk
~only wizard tower mainly counter acts them
Trap weakness-
•air bomb


-Valkyrie
Weakness
•same as giants
Trap weakness-
•giant bomb
•spring pads


-Golem
Weakness:
•inferno tower
•X-Bow (not as much as inferno)
~The rest of the defenses barely affect the golem so I wouldn't really count them in...
Trap weakness-
•N/A


-Witch
Weakness:
•everything except air defense
Trap weakness:
•spring pads
•bombs
•giant bombs


*FINALLY FOR THE HOGS*


-Hogs rider!!
Weakness:
(Barely when the hogs are higher lvl)
•archer tower
•cannons
•tesla
•X-Bow
•inferno
None of the above directly deals with the hog riders effectiveness and their abilities,inferno will target mainly golems and X-Bow will be first thing in sight...
••Trap weakness-
•spring pad if your lucky to catch them
•Giant bombs if placed well (which doesn't help much against them not counter act the I abilities and perks(high damage,high hitpoints) and the abilities to jump over walls)

~Really nothing counter acts the jumping ability or their high damage per second and relatively high hit-points


So as shown every troop has a strongest weakness that mainly counter acts their ability (eg. Golem-inferno/ Minions-wizard tower) wether it be traps or defense towers


There is nothing that particularly counter acts the jumping ability of the hog riders or their ability to survive so many hits. there is no tower,nor trap,nor hero that counter acts their abilities directly and I honestly think that something should be implemented to finally have something to defense against these fearsome,over powered warriors! Its time for a trap or even tower to counter act this!


Clasher out-
Please implement something like this!


Took me a really long time to write this,please read it and take it into consideration and implement something for this!

What makes xbows more effective against golems than arch towers, or cannons?

*dashes off*


*this has a been a British drive by*

I like your work on the analysis, but you need to not just consider it as "what defense counter what troop" but also "how does SC maintain balance"

for example, i disagree with your statement about golems- but golems are balanced because they have such low dps and are slow. so they can have a huge hp pool and not be imbalanced regardless of what troops and spells you use to support them.

one could make the argument that hogs are imbalanced because:

they have just enough HP that heal spells can keep them up for a long time
they have just enough speed to make CC troops chase them but never kill them
they have just enough DPS and speed that they can destroy a building without lingering too long, so that AoE defenses can't decimate them the way they do giants and loons when they cluster.

i feel these statements are close to true- and any adjustment to one of the above statements could make hogs more balanced (but perhaps also, too weak to be useable.. again).

Troops who targets Defenses should be slow, seriously not only they are fast, they can also jump over walls and deal high damages.
Seriously, why the heck do Supercell keep nerfing its health, they can easily healed up with heal spells.

The only thing they need to nerf is their speed.

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Originally Posted by Hibiki

Troops who targets Defenses should be slow, seriously not only they are fast, they can also jump over walls and deal high damages.
Seriously, why the heck do Supercell keep nerfing its health, they can easily healed up with heal spells.

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i think SC is aiming for a balance where they have just enough health that you can keep them up with heals, but you have to be very good at placement and timing for those spells + you need to burn through your heals faster

this would mean:
hogs need some skill to face roll + you burn through spells fast enough that you end up 2-starring rather than 3-starring easily

only a conjecture. but that's what i think SC is aiming for.

I find that its not the HP of the Hogs that are OP it is the speed, they are just far too fast for the defenses.

The idea that having an anti Hog base which leave you open to all other attacks or (lucky) trap placement cannot be the answer to defeating these hogs.

They really need some sort of counter other than bombs (which do hardly anything).

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Originally Posted by scanners107

I find that its not the HP of the Hogs that are OP it is the speed, they are just far too fast for the defenses.

The idea that having an anti Hog base which leave you open to all other attacks or (lucky) trap placement cannot be the answer to defeating these hogs.

They really need some sort of counter other than bombs (which do hardly anything).

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I don't disagree with you about how powerful they are.

However, from a balance perspective- hogs are uniquely difficult to tweak their stats and abilities.

For most troops there are two thresholds to consider as a developer:

1. keep them underpowered so they are not OP, but with the right support- they are definitely playable (currently only amazons tend to fall below this threshold).
2. if you make them too powerful they go from decent to OP- and everyone will just spam this troop (witches started there, hogs might be beyond this threshold).

However, hogs (because of their preferred target, special ability, and speed) are difficult to design because those thresholds are at just about the same place. In other words, unless SC can tweak/adjust/etc. the hogs stats perfectly- they will either be (nearly) universally viewed as OP or (nearly) universally viewed as useless.

Hogs are fine, leave them alone, they were nerfed before and they received another large nerf this update with upgradable traps,leave them as is, the problem vs hogs isnt hogs themselves but its rather your bases, enough complaining

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Originally Posted by Lolnubiwin

Hogs are fine, leave them alone, they were nerfed before and they received another large nerf this update with upgradable traps,leave them as is, the problem vs hogs isnt hogs themselves but its rather your bases, enough complaining

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I agree. Hogs have been nerfed quite enough. I would rather not revisit the days when hog riders were considered useless.