Revenge Change and how it affects top players

First off, the previous thread was closed due to incessant flaming and name calling. Lets not have that happen again.
Secondly, the players in the top ranks are upset and rightfully so. They feel as if SC has turned its back on them after they've spent thousands of dollars to get to where they are.
Thirdly farmers and high end masters players are happy because they feel as if SC has eliminated a major exploit of the game, and they have.


Lets look at some of the facts here. When farming some raids you find will yield 35 trophies and some will yield 10. This is because of the difference in your trophy count compared to your opponents trophy level. The larger the gap between your trophy count and your opponents means the trophy count earned will be huge, or tiny. You can always pick another base to raid if you want more trophies. However if you take a player with 4,200 trophies 99.99999% of the players they attack will have lower trophy counts and thus yield lower trophy winnings. On the other hand 99.99999% of players who attack them will find a huge trophy earning. This basic concept is what is flawed and drives too end players to exploit the loop hole of attacking clan mates or "minis." They feel the right to do so, and players struggling to reach the top tier feels its a huge exploit.

Every argument has 2 sides, and every side has logical viewpoints. It's hard to say either side is "in the wrong" with this argument. Supercell has chosen to side with the idea that so called "cheap shields" are being abused and have done their best to end them. How does this affect the status quo? Now players will not be able to manipulate the system to gain a 12 hour shield as easily, and will help players struggling to reach the top end of the trophy spectrum to do so in a way SC feels is more fair. Also it means that initially less players will have 4,000+ trophies because they'll be raided and 2 to 3 star'd more frequently dropping their trophy count. However this should in theory bring more and more players into the upper echelons of Champions league which will directly lower the time it takes to search for a decent raid, and that will (in the long term) raise the overall trophy count of top players.

So while both sides have strong views on the issue, SC did it because regardless of either sides arguments they feel it is in the best interest of the game and will cause a ripple effect long term to help more players reach the top ranks.



Feel free to let me know your opinion on the issue, but please no flaming or name calling!

I completly agree, when looking on the top clans I noticed half of them are deciding to retire of quit because of this, I think some people over reacted but I would be pretty angry if I was that dedicated and had spent time and money to get there, Just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by JustAnotherBen

I completly agree, when looking on the top clans I noticed half of them are deciding to retire of quit because of this, I think some people over reacted but I would be pretty angry if I was that dedicated and had spent time and money to get there, Just my opinion.

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They aren't disadvantaged because of the update, they are playing a level playing field. There is no reason for them to throw their devices down and quit. Personally I think this is just their way of grabbing SC's attention, hoping that the change will be reversed. I highly doubt many of them will actually stop playing.

Spending thousands to get to the top isnt the issue, theyve done it and well done to them, its about exploiting a flaw in the game to deprive skilled, but not rich, players form reaching the top spots.

so i think this is fair and long overdue, now at least our talented players have a chance to get to the top, gemmers will still have a massive advantage as they can gem their spell factory, heroes and barracks so lets not pretend otherwise

Cheap shielding was a tactic for many months. As long as SC did nothing about it, the top players can't really be faulted for doing anything and everything they could within the rules (and like or not, it was allowed) to go as high on those leaderboards as possible. This is the source of some of their very own problems, though. Without cheap shields and such, how would the gaps become so large between players with identical bases (all maxxed) and theoretically comparable skill? Yes, there are variations in skill and playing time that could cause players to get ahead even without these tactics, but there is a newfound fluidity that should prevent such large, insurmountable gaps from emerging.

Now that revenges are effectively gone for these players, they have a harder time getting their cheap shields and some of their cups. The focus now is on whether this change is "fair" to those players, and why some of them are threatening to quit over it.

In my opinion, this is a very welcome change. You had players creating inctricate webs of shielding each other in order to stamp out threats from lower/mid champion players. These practices can be viewed as anti-competitive, but again, they were allowed. It all disappeared in a day, though. They woke up one morning and it was largely gone. Their methods rendered obselete, and they are suddenly forced into the same system that everyone else is.

I don't see how this is unfair to them. They used these tactics to create a buffer between themselves and their challengers, and now they are being forced to adapt and defend their spots like everyone else. I have seen some people claim that there should have been a warning to let them know about this change, but that doesn't make much sense to me. It is a change designed to take out a set of tactics that SC has seemingly deemed inappropriate for their game. Why announce a crackdown on malicious activities? Just do it, which is exactly what SC did.

Now, we see those top players faced with the decision to adapt or quit, with many choosing tha latter so it seems. The top spots are supposed to represent the best, most hardcore clashers in the game, and some of them seem unwilling to invest the time, energy, and cash to claim that spot legitimately.

No matter what they ultimately decide, there will be players who do want those spots, and they will take them if/when they have the chance.

Finally, I want to adress how some top players have chose to voice their disagreement. Several top clans have changed their descriptions and there is even a clan for soon to be retireees, but what else are they doing? Are they on FB protesting? Are they emailing SC with their complaints? Well, they certainly aren't making too much of an effort here on the forums. What I mean is that there isn't many of them here arguing their case, not that the few that are here are doing anything wrong.

If they want to see changes, they have to speak up and take it right to SC. You can't send a message with a clan description; you have to make well thought out and rational arguments and present them to SC and the general CoC populatin. If they do that, maybe they get enough support to change the system into something that makes everyone happier. Until then, I can't see SC going out of their way to change anything for them.

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Originally Posted by DROUT

Spending thousands to get to the top isnt the issue, theyve done it and well done to them, its about exploiting a flaw in the game to deprive skilled, but not rich, players form reaching the top spots.

so i think this is fair and long overdue, now at least our talented players have a chance to get to the top, gemmers will still have a massive advantage as they can gem their spell factory, heroes and barracks so lets not pretend otherwise

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You say they're taking advantage of an exploit by having a friend give them a 12 hour shield and only giving or taking 1 trophy, but at the same point in time they say farmers are taking advantage of an exploit by having their TH left free to attack to gain a 12 hour shield and not lose resources. As I said before both sides have a valid point and SC has sided with the idea the exploit in champs league is too big. Long term it's good for everyone. Short term the top players feel very insulted and angry. My opinion is that it does in fact level the playing field some what, however EVERYONE is entitled to their own opinions.

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Originally Posted by DROUT

Spending thousands to get to the top isnt the issue, theyve done it and well done to them, its about exploiting a flaw in the game to deprive skilled, but not rich, players form reaching the top spots.

so i think this is fair and long overdue, now at least our talented players have a chance to get to the top, gemmers will still have a massive advantage as they can gem their spell factory, heroes and barracks so lets not pretend otherwise

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Everyone up there spends a lot of money on the game. So it isn't about depriving skilled, but not rich, players. It's about depriving players with scruples and a strong sense of fair play from competing.

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Originally Posted by Anarchos

You say they're taking advantage of an exploit by having a friend give them a 12 hour shield and only giving or taking 1 trophy, but at the same point in time they say farmers are taking advantage of an exploit by having their TH left free to attack to gain a 12 hour shield and not lose resources. As I said before both sides have a valid point and SC has sided with the idea the exploit in champs league is too big. Long term it's good for everyone. Short term the top players feel very insulted and angry. My opinion is that it does in fact level the playing field some what, however EVERYONE is entitled to their own opinions.

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Lol, yes everyone is entitled to their opionions

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Originally Posted by zachUVA

Cheap shielding was a tactic for many months. As long as SC did nothing about it, the top players can't really be faulted for doing anything and everything they could within the rules (and like or not, it was allowed) to go as high on those leaderboards as possible. This is the source of some of their very own problems, though. Without cheap shields and such, how would the gaps become so large between players with identical bases (all maxxed) and theoretically comparable skill? Yes, there are variations in skill and playing time that could cause players to get ahead even without these tactics, but there is a newfound fluidity that should prevent such large, insurmountable gaps from emerging.

Now that revenges are effectively gone for these players, they have a harder time getting their cheap shields and some of their cups. The focus now is on whether this change is "fair" to those players, and why some of them are threatening to quit over it.

In my opinion, this is a very welcome change. You had players creating inctricate webs of shielding each other in order to stamp out threats from lower/mid champion players. These practices can be viewed as anti-competitive, but again, they were allowed. It all disappeared in a day, though. They woke up one morning and it was largely gone. Their methods rendered obselete, and they are suddenly forced into the same system that everyone else is.

I don't see how this is unfair to them. They used these tactics to create a buffer between themselves and their challengers, and now they are being forced to adapt and defend their spots like everyone else. I have seen some people claim that there should have been a warning to let them know about this change, but that doesn't make much sense to me. It is a change designed to take out a set of tactics that SC has seemingly deemed inappropriate for their game. Why announce a crackdown on malicious activities? Just do it, which is exactly what SC did.

Now, we see those top players faced with the decision to adapt or quit, with many choosing tha latter so it seems. The top spots are supposed to represent the best, most hardcore clashers in the game, and some of them seem unwilling to invest the time, energy, and cash to claim that spot legitimately.

No matter what they ultimately decide, there will be players who do want those spots, and they will take them if/when they have the chance.

Finally, I want to adress how some top players have chose to voice their disagreement. Several top clans have changed their descriptions and there is even a clan for soon to be retireees, but what else are they doing? Are they on FB protesting? Are they emailing SC with their complaints? Well, they certainly aren't making too much of an effort here on the forums. What I mean is that there isn't many of them here arguing their case, not that the few that are here are doing anything wrong.

If they want to see changes, they have to speak up and take it right to SC. You can't send a message with a clan description; you have to make well thought out and rational arguments and present them to SC and the general CoC populatin. If they do that, maybe they get enough support to change the system into something that makes everyone happier. Until then, I can't see SC going out of their way to change anything for them.

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Thanks for the well thought out and intelligent post. I do have to say I agree completely with many of the points you've made. Recently there was quite a few posts on these forums about the so called cheets and exploits and they garnered a ton of publicity and SC eventually made a change. If these players that had used this tactic were to band together and make their opinions heard on these forums (as well as in game support tickets) SC would undoubtedly take a harder look at the trophy system.

I personally feel like this was a cheap exploit for champion players, but I have never been one, so what do I know.
I am glad it is gone, at least in concept.

Would a return of the purchasable 7-day shield be helpful to top players? Now that the exploit has been addressed, maybe they should add this back in.

Are all shield purchase options removed at that trophy level or just the 7-day?

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Originally Posted by zachUVA

Cheap shielding was a tactic for many months. As long as SC did nothing about it, the top players can't really be faulted for doing anything and everything they could within the rules (and like or not, it was allowed) to go as high on those leaderboards as possible. This is the source of some of their very own problems, though. Without cheap shields and such, how would the gaps become so large between players with identical bases (all maxxed) and theoretically comparable skill? Yes, there are variations in skill and playing time that could cause players to get ahead even without these tactics, but there is a newfound fluidity that should prevent such large, insurmountable gaps from emerging.

Now that revenges are effectively gone for these players, they have a harder time getting their cheap shields and some of their cups. The focus now is on whether this change is "fair" to those players, and why some of them are threatening to quit over it.

In my opinion, this is a very welcome change. You had players creating inctricate webs of shielding each other in order to stamp out threats from lower/mid champion players. These practices can be viewed as anti-competitive, but again, they were allowed. It all disappeared in a day, though. They woke up one morning and it was largely gone. Their methods rendered obselete, and they are suddenly forced into the same system that everyone else is.

I don't see how this is unfair to them. They used these tactics to create a buffer between themselves and their challengers, and now they are being forced to adapt and defend their spots like everyone else. I have seen some people claim that there should have been a warning to let them know about this change, but that doesn't make much sense to me. It is a change designed to take out a set of tactics that SC has seemingly deemed inappropriate for their game. Why announce a crackdown on malicious activities? Just do it, which is exactly what SC did.

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Totally agree with Zach. It was their own cheap shield tactics that opened up the long gap in the champions league. Think about why SC did not make a Champions 1/2/3 system like they did for other leagues? It was because they didn't anticipate people would climb that high in, what SC views, legitimate ways. What I see now happening is the top player ratings will likely come down to ~3700 or so in the next month, with more people climbing into champions league. I won't be surprised to see the top player rating shoot up again once the temporary balance is done with.

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Originally Posted by kmb08753

I personally feel like this was a cheap exploit for champion players, but I have never been one, so what do I know.
I am glad it is gone, at least in concept.

Would a return of the purchasable 7-day shield be helpful to top players? Now that the exploit has been addressed, maybe they should add this back in.

Are all shield purchase options removed at that trophy level or just the 7-day?

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It would be very helpful, seeing as they burn themselves out earning trophies and would no doubt love a long break.

Trouble is, these guys are all spending hundreds a week each. You really think Supercell will cut monthly profits by 25%?

Cant see it returning to be honest.

Plus the idea of the fix is to allow these guys to fight honestly amongst their peers, not hide behind shields (cheap or bought)

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Originally Posted by Stitch

It would be very helpful, seeing as they burn themselves out earning trophies and would no doubt love a long break.

Trouble is, these guys are all spending hundreds a week each. You really think Supercell will cut monthly profits by 25%?

Cant see it returning to be honest.

Plus the idea of the fix is to allow these guys to fight honestly amongst their peers, not hide behind shields (cheap or bought)

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Well, there is a cooldown for bought shields. Maybe by adjusting this they can make is viable.

I get that a 7-day shield means less money spent on boosting and troop rushing, as well as other things they spend gems/money on. So if it means less money, yeah, probably won't happen.

There had been lots of threads about cheap shields and etc in this forum and not many people who played in high ranks were putting their ideas about it in here. In fact it appeared like majority of the players had complainment about this cheap shield subject. When i was playing in champion league the biggest problem was not to find players who were close to my cup score. Most of the times i was only seeing 1 cup for 3 star opponents and i shared this problem in here like some other players did too.

It looks to me like supercell had two choices; either keep the flawed system or start changing it. The current top players claim that free shields are the only way not to net lose trophies. The whole reason they see 1 trophy attacks and people attack them for 40 is because of the free shields causing fewer players at the top. It is a cyclical problem. While the revenge update will undoubtedly make some angry, in a month or two, high cup gameplay will be more fun with more players in champion. If the people at 4000+ tough out the transition, they will come back to a better, more competitive game. (Don't worry, gems will still help you). It will not be a perfect fix however, the top player will inherently be at a disadvantage, that is the downside to the trophy system but also why the top player is the best. Overall champion league will be a happier place.
addition: it's always lonely at the top. But the journey is usually worth it.

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Originally Posted by zachUVA

Cheap shielding was a tactic for many months. As long as SC did nothing about it, the top players can't really be faulted for doing anything and everything they could within the rules (and like or not, it was allowed) to go as high on those leaderboards as possible. This is the source of some of their very own problems, though. Without cheap shields and such, how would the gaps become so large between players with identical bases (all maxxed) and theoretically comparable skill? Yes, there are variations in skill and playing time that could cause players to get ahead even without these tactics, but there is a newfound fluidity that should prevent such large, insurmountable gaps from emerging.

Now that revenges are effectively gone for these players, they have a harder time getting their cheap shields and some of their cups. The focus now is on whether this change is "fair" to those players, and why some of them are threatening to quit over it.

In my opinion, this is a very welcome change. You had players creating inctricate webs of shielding each other in order to stamp out threats from lower/mid champion players. These practices can be viewed as anti-competitive, but again, they were allowed. It all disappeared in a day, though. They woke up one morning and it was largely gone. Their methods rendered obselete, and they are suddenly forced into the same system that everyone else is.

I don't see how this is unfair to them. They used these tactics to create a buffer between themselves and their challengers, and now they are being forced to adapt and defend their spots like everyone else. I have seen some people claim that there should have been a warning to let them know about this change, but that doesn't make much sense to me. It is a change designed to take out a set of tactics that SC has seemingly deemed inappropriate for their game. Why announce a crackdown on malicious activities? Just do it, which is exactly what SC did.

Now, we see those top players faced with the decision to adapt or quit, with many choosing tha latter so it seems. The top spots are supposed to represent the best, most hardcore clashers in the game, and some of them seem unwilling to invest the time, energy, and cash to claim that spot legitimately.

No matter what they ultimately decide, there will be players who do want those spots, and they will take them if/when they have the chance.

Finally, I want to adress how some top players have chose to voice their disagreement. Several top clans have changed their descriptions and there is even a clan for soon to be retireees, but what else are they doing? Are they on FB protesting? Are they emailing SC with their complaints? Well, they certainly aren't making too much of an effort here on the forums. What I mean is that there isn't many of them here arguing their case, not that the few that are here are doing anything wrong.

If they want to see changes, they have to speak up and take it right to SC. You can't send a message with a clan description; you have to make well thought out and rational arguments and present them to SC and the general CoC populatin. If they do that, maybe they get enough support to change the system into something that makes everyone happier. Until then, I can't see SC going out of their way to change anything for them.

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I'd like to compare the role of supercell to the markets.. Market Manipulation is an always-present condition of our capitalist economy. Every day traders of various asset classes are looking to arbitrage positions entered into based on countless variables.. in this case top players found a risk-free way to arbitrage their trophy counts thus climbing the leaderboards, and by doing so were playing within the rules setout by supercell.

Market manipulation is never a good thing, and when it does happen we have regulatory bodies such as the SEC, FERC, so on and so forth who are there to adjust the rules in which we play our games..

Supercell is the regulatory body; here they have found a valid case of manipulation and have implemented changes to the environment to curb the behavior.

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Originally Posted by Beefdrop

I'd like to compare the role of supercell to the markets.. Market Manipulation is an always-present condition of our capitalist economy. Every day traders of various asset classes are looking to arbitrage positions entered into based on countless variables.. in this case top players found a risk-free way to arbitrage their trophy counts thus climbing the leaderboards, and by doing so were playing within the rules setout by supercell.

Market manipulation is never a good thing, and when it does happen we have regulatory bodies such as the SEC, FERC, so on and so forth who are there to adjust the rules in which we play our games..

Supercell is the regulatory body; here they have found a valid case of manipulation and have implemented changes to the environment to curb the behavior.

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I love that analogy, very well put.

Why not reset everyone's trophies monthly? Change the attack searches based on level? (i'm a noob please be gentle)

Personal opinion time:

It took any competition out of the game and made a joke out of ultra high cup chasing, the effect of this small group of individuals actions was thousands of good honest champions had no chance - it needed to be fixed and it was.

The farmers TH outside the walls thing is not a valid comparison farmers can go for hours with no one bothering to snipe them, their base is still available for attack.

Very nice move by SC. The issue has been brought up long time ago, SC finally pull the trigger.

However, leaving TH to get a free shield is another issue that brought up long time ago. SC, pull that trigger too PLZ

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Originally Posted by Daddy

The farmers TH outside the walls thing is not a valid comparison farmers can go for hours with no one bothering to snipe them, their base is still available for attack.

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EXACTLY!

Not sure why people are comparing this was cheap shield.
Putting your TH outside still open you to ANY attacks and does NOT guarantee any outcome! People can destroy your TH, and then proceed to destroy your village. Or they can ignore your TH and get the resource and stop at 39%. Or they can zap your DE with or without giving you a shield. Anything can happen. Even the attacker who snipe your TH may get unexpected result as the attacker may get a full scale revenge.

Putting your TH outside is just part of base design. And base design is total freedom. Who said certain thing has to be put where and what behind walls? Who said you even have to have walls? So I simply cannot see how puttying TH outside can been seen as an exploit. Not even remotely close.

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Originally Posted by yesup

EXACTLY!

Not sure why people are comparing this was cheap shield.
Putting your TH outside still open you to ANY attacks and does NOT guarantee any outcome! People can destroy your TH, and then proceed to destroy your village. Or they can ignore your TH and get the resource and stop at 39%. Or they can zap your DE with or without giving you a shield. Anything can happen. Even the attacker who snipe your TH may get unexpected result as the attacker may get a full scale revenge.

Putting your TH outside is just part of base design. And base design is total freedom. Who said certain thing has to be put where and what behind walls? Who said you even have to have walls? So I simply cannot see how puttying TH outside can been seen as an exploit. Not even remotely close.

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The chances are you are getting the free shield by a player don't stand a chance to steal your resource or think not worth a fight but why not get a free TH (it is in an achievement, isn't it?) Therefore, people with intention to challenge your base had a hard time to get to your base... Isn't this somewhat similar to cheap shield?

SC should have done something about it and giving player more incentive to protect their TH and base.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

Everyone up there spends a lot of money on the game. So it isn't about depriving skilled, but not rich, players. It's about depriving players with scruples and a strong sense of fair play from competing.

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+1.

To be honest, everybody talking about money spent is irrelevant to the conversation. I can't stand people who think the more you spend the more input you should have. This change affects everybody, and understandably those it impacts most adversely are upset. They will get over it, and the game will be a much better experience because of it.

Sc will cave to these high lvl babies

hey guys,
could u plz tell me what exactly changed in the revenge system? i'm reading for hours now thru the forums and all i found was some rumors about a revenge-cooldown of 3 minutes...

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Originally Posted by kingleo10

The chances are you are getting the free shield by a player don't stand a chance to steal your resource or think not worth a fight but why not get a free TH (it is in an achievement, isn't it?) Therefore, people with intention to challenge your base had a hard time to get to your base... Isn't this somewhat similar to cheap shield?

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Why is that the case? Why would the attacker "don't stand a chance to steal your resource"??
Your matching is random, and you can be matched to a strong player as well as a weak player. Or course, if you base is intimidating, you get less chance of a full scale attack.

But no, it is nothing like the cheap shield.
Cheap shield is colluding with other players to block anyone from attacking you. The outcome is almost guaranteed unless something goes wrong.
OTOH, putting TH outside does not guarantee any outcome.

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Originally Posted by yesup

Why is that the case? Why would the attacker "don't stand a chance to steal your resource"??
Your matching is random, and you can be matched to a strong player as well as a weak player. Or course, if you base is intimidating, you get less chance of a full scale attack.

But no, it is nothing like the cheap shield.
Cheap shield is colluding with other players to block anyone from attacking you. The outcome is almost guaranteed unless something goes wrong.
OTOH, putting TH outside does not guarantee any outcome.

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There are enough incentive for any player to take the free victory. Both destroying TH and victory are in achievements which lead free GEM for players. And obvisouly players (farmers) love to put TH outside because of the shields they are getting. How is that fair to you, comparing to "Cheap shield" or not?

Stop defending it like those defending Cheap shields. All I am asking for is more incentive from SC to have player defend their base.

Having not read a single post in this thread other than the original here is my opinion. Top players can no longer exploit an imbalanced part of the game so they feel ♥♥♥♥♥ed. Just look at this situation though. The exploit should have never been there in the first place! Stop whining for Pete's sake and play the game fairly. I honestly cant beleive people are disagreeing with the removal of an exploit.

I see it as a good and bad thing. Good, so people don't abuse it, bad, because there are legit people that are trophy hunting that actually might want to revenge someone. If I was in champion league and someone attacked me I would want to revenge them if I could. That's just my opinion.

Other then a comparison which has been beat to death at this point, what does a th outside the walls have to do with this thread?

Keeping TH outside isn't a fair comparison to the cheap shields. Dropping trophies intentionally to be matched up in lower ranges is. I'm pretty certain if a champions league player decided to keep their TH outside, the first person who sees that would snipe it. What makes dropping trophies somewhat fairer is that a lot of high XP (and thereby strong base) players do it. In addition, all those who drop to lower trophy ranges intentionally (your truly included) carry out tier-1 armies because they only want the loot, which makes them attacking lower level defenses somewhat balanced. Cheap shields means you are basically out of ANYONES reach playing your own "game" and sitting at the top.

im sure SC is aware.... they are not stupid they are business men... if they see that they are not getting affected profit wise from this change then they dont have to change it since what they did is actually preventing a "♥♥♥♥♥". if top players "retire" and profits go down for sc (since they are the major section for sc revenues) then yes i believe there will be a change again.... in the meantime people should focus on their farming and not on arguing :)

I think the top players are annoyed at the fact they gain one cup for a win and lose up to -50 for a loss, so that means 50 separate attacks just to regain them, which if you ask me isn't pretty so cheap shielding was the only way to at least hold on to the cups that they rightfully earned.
Also another thing how is cheap shielding any different from farmers putting a townhall outside the walls for a free 12 hour shield? Same concept right?
(dont flame me)

Everyone is always ♥♥♥♥♥♥ the first week any update takes place. Then it settles in and things work themselves out. I'm interested in seeing how this plays out.

Personally, all I can foresee is that there is even MORE collusion at the top. Since revenge isn't a possibility, I just assume more top guys will leave clan and hopefully have their clan mates find them. I suppose it's riskier that way, but if you have all of the family clans + friend clans ready to search for their bases, odds are still pretty good for them since there just isn't THAT many bases at that level.

What would encourage more real defensive plays would be if updates didn't release extremely OP troops (witches, hogs). Sure, they've since been tweaked, but if mass hogs could 3-star any base without much skill, that's a big factor in wanting to manipulate the system.

Either way, I'm happy farming my heroes right now :) This part of update doesn't affect me!

I totally agree with Zach. I would link, but so long!
TH outside is interesting. I feel that when used to hopefully prevent a three star from other attackers, it is a legitimate strategy. I feel that when used like the cheap shields, it is not. However, SC has no way to distinguish, and to punish real players for using a strategy is not a good idea for SC.
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Um, I'm slightly confused....How has the revenge option changed? What changed about it?

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Originally Posted by JustAnotherBen

I completly agree, when looking on the top clans I noticed half of them are deciding to retire of quit because of this, I think some people over reacted but I would be pretty angry if I was that dedicated and had spent time and money to get there, Just my opinion.

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You do realize that the ones quitting are the ones who were exploiting the free shield, right? SuperCell simply fixed something that was on the list of things to fix. Getting mad because they lost a cheap tactic is downright silly. I'm glad they are 'quitting'. It gives everyone an equal chance to be a trophy hunter now.

Make town halls hold 100k of each with 100% available. No one will leave their townhall outside(except de farmers)

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Originally Posted by Daddy

Personal opinion time:

The farmers TH outside the walls thing is not a valid comparison farmers can go for hours with no one bothering to snipe them, their base is still available for attack.

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Is not a valid comparison but some have also problems with revenge down here! This because TH outside!
Months ago i post a solution but nobody cares about!! Supercell please make the Townhall holds 200/200k and 500 Dark elixer. One week and you see NO Townhall outside!

To be honest, Townhall outside is cheap Shild! :(

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Originally Posted by Woski

It looks to me like supercell had two choices; either keep the flawed system or start changing it. The current top players claim that free shields are the only way not to net lose trophies. The whole reason they see 1 trophy attacks and people attack them for 40 is because of the free shields causing fewer players at the top. It is a cyclical problem. While the revenge update will undoubtedly make some angry, in a month or two, high cup gameplay will be more fun with more players in champion. If the people at 4000+ tough out the transition, they will come back to a better, more competitive game. (Don't worry, gems will still help you). It will not be a perfect fix however, the top player will inherently be at a disadvantage, that is the downside to the trophy system but also why the top player is the best. Overall champion league will be a happier place.
addition: it's always lonely at the top. But the journey is usually worth it.

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This, exactly. Cause and effect. By blocking others from attaining higher counts, population at comparative count is limited, forcing matchmaking to lower counts, resulting in single cup wins. They compound their problem through its use and attempt to justify it's use through necessity. I invision a dog endlessly chasing its tail here.

The problem is now it is not an even play field in champion league.

A 3900 cup player will get 1 cup from a 3250 cup player from an atk and the 3250cup player will get 58 cups from the 3900 how is this a level play field? it is not and it is the biggest reason why high cup players needed a cheap shield other champions get it also why not them ?

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Originally Posted by PR77

The problem is now it is not an even play field in champion league.

A 3900 cup player will get 1 cup from a 3250 cup player from an atk and the 3250cup player will get 58 cups from the 3900 how is this a level play field? it is not and it is the biggest reason why high cup players needed a cheap shield other champions get it also why not them ?

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That is a level playing field, if you really are that many cups better than someone you will win if you are not your inflated totals will come back to earth where they belong.

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Originally Posted by JustAnotherBen

I completly agree, when looking on the top clans I noticed half of them are deciding to retire of quit because of this, I think some people over reacted but I would be pretty angry if I was that dedicated and had spent time and money to get there, Just my opinion.

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They have too much vested in this game to quit. A very small minority might, but the vast majority will continue to play. They are just throwing a temper tantrum with all of those clan descriptions crying about their cheeting coming to an end.

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Originally Posted by Exiists

You do realize that the ones quitting are the ones who were exploiting the free shield, right? SuperCell simply fixed something that was on the list of things to fix. Getting mad because they lost a cheap tactic is downright silly. I'm glad they are 'quitting'. It gives everyone an equal chance to be a trophy hunter now.

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All players exploit cheap shield one way or another and alot of low cup champions still get a cheap shield after the update (when raided by a higher cup player) The problem is now everyone has a chance to get cups as high as possible only to lose them all the next day because there is no way to maintain them rendering the all cup pushing exercise useless. Why spend hundreds of dollars gemming troops to raid so they can lose most of it on 1 single defence?

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Originally Posted by zachUVA

Cheap shielding was a tactic for many months. As long as SC did nothing about it, the top players can't really be faulted for doing anything and everything they could within the rules (and like or not, it was allowed) to go as high on those leaderboards as possible. This is the source of some of their very own problems, though. Without cheap shields and such, how would the gaps become so large between players with identical bases (all maxxed) and theoretically comparable skill? Yes, there are variations in skill and playing time that could cause players to get ahead even without these tactics, but there is a newfound fluidity that should prevent such large, insurmountable gaps from emerging.

Now that revenges are effectively gone for these players, they have a harder time getting their cheap shields and some of their cups. The focus now is on whether this change is "fair" to those players, and why some of them are threatening to quit over it.

In my opinion, this is a very welcome change. You had players creating inctricate webs of shielding each other in order to stamp out threats from lower/mid champion players. These practices can be viewed as anti-competitive, but again, they were allowed. It all disappeared in a day, though. They woke up one morning and it was largely gone. Their methods rendered obselete, and they are suddenly forced into the same system that everyone else is.

I don't see how this is unfair to them. They used these tactics to create a buffer between themselves and their challengers, and now they are being forced to adapt and defend their spots like everyone else. I have seen some people claim that there should have been a warning to let them know about this change, but that doesn't make much sense to me. It is a change designed to take out a set of tactics that SC has seemingly deemed inappropriate for their game. Why announce a crackdown on malicious activities? Just do it, which is exactly what SC did.

Now, we see those top players faced with the decision to adapt or quit, with many choosing tha latter so it seems. The top spots are supposed to represent the best, most hardcore clashers in the game, and some of them seem unwilling to invest the time, energy, and cash to claim that spot legitimately.

No matter what they ultimately decide, there will be players who do want those spots, and they will take them if/when they have the chance.

Finally, I want to adress how some top players have chose to voice their disagreement. Several top clans have changed their descriptions and there is even a clan for soon to be retireees, but what else are they doing? Are they on FB protesting? Are they emailing SC with their complaints? Well, they certainly aren't making too much of an effort here on the forums. What I mean is that there isn't many of them here arguing their case, not that the few that are here are doing anything wrong.

If they want to see changes, they have to speak up and take it right to SC. You can't send a message with a clan description; you have to make well thought out and rational arguments and present them to SC and the general CoC populatin. If they do that, maybe they get enough support to change the system into something that makes everyone happier. Until then, I can't see SC going out of their way to change anything for them.

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Wow, nice post man.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

Everyone up there spends a lot of money on the game. So it isn't about depriving skilled, but not rich, players. It's about depriving players with scruples and a strong sense of fair play from competing.

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Good post.

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Originally Posted by Beagle21

That is a level playing field, if you really are that many cups better than someone you will win if you are not your inflated totals will come back to earth where they belong.

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Sorry you do not understand cup search will offer bases up to 700 cups difference regardless of your cup level. If you raid alot and win most of the atks you will go up the higher you go the less bases at your level you will find until you will get to a point where most bases are worth 1-2 cups and if you lose a raid to one of those bases you risk 39 cups but if that base raids you then you can lose 58 cups There is a big difference on the amount of cups you risk to lose or win . The high cup player did not use any cheap tactics he followed the rules but in the end he gets penalised for having a perfect atk skill and spending hours raiding other bases

I'd like to throw my 2c in.

To the top tier players:
No we haven't been in your shoes. I'm sure it took lots of money and waiting to get where you are. But from our standpoint, you used an underhanded way (albeit legal or within the rules) to get to where you are and stay there. Should that warrant our respect? I think if you'll be patient and learn to play within the adjusted rules you'll likely find it more balanced and probably be able to find opponents without sifting through the clouds for a 1 or 2 trophy raid.

To anyone who thinks that the top clans quitting will hurt SC financially in any way: I think you are out of touch. Their financial situation is more than solid. The top tier of heavy gemmers only represents a very small fraction of the income. They will be just fine even if the top 50 clans quit entirely and never spend another dime.

If the top level clans want to be heard, they should show up and maturely present their issue and possible solutions backed by reasoning and intelligent discussion. I believe Zach has had some sound advice which he has posted several times already. You would do well to read it and follow it.

As a low level farmer and occasional trophy pusher - do I really care about the top players? Nah, but if Supercell has adjusted the game in a way that makes the game fair for all, (especially those trying to work their way up the honest way) then I'm all for it.

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I'd like to throw my 2c in.

To the top tier players:
No we haven't been in your shoes. I'm sure it took lots of money and waiting to get where you are. But from our standpoint, you used an underhanded way (albeit legal or within the rules) to get to where you are and stay there. Should that warrant our respect? I think if you'll be patient and learn to play within the adjusted rules you'll likely find it more balanced and probably be able to find opponents without sifting through the clouds for a 1 or 2 trophy raid.

To anyone who thinks that the top clans quitting will hurt SC financially in any way: I think you are out of touch. Their financial situation is more than solid. The top tier of heavy gemmers only represents a very small fraction of the income. They will be just fine even if the top 50 clans quit entirely and never spend another dime.

If the top level clans want to be heard, they should show up and maturely present their issue and possible solutions backed by reasoning and intelligent discussion. I believe Zach has had some sound advice which he has posted several times already. You would do well to read it and follow it.

As a low level farmer and occasional trophy pusher - do I really care about the top players? Nah, but if Supercell has adjusted the game in a way that makes the game fair for all, (especially those trying to work their way up the honest way) then I'm all for it.

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They are just posturing, they have vested too much in this game to quit.

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Sorry you do not understand cup search will offer bases up to 700 cups difference regardless of your cup level. If you raid alot and win most of the atks you will go up the higher you go the less bases at your level you will find until you will get to a point where most bases are worth 1-2 cups and if you lose a raid to one of those bases you risk 39 cups but if that base raids you then you can lose 58 cups There is a big difference on the amount of cups you risk to lose or win . The high cup player did not use any cheap tactics he followed the rules but in the end he gets penalised for having a perfect atk skill and spending hours raiding other bases

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Lol, unlike some I actuall read the posts in threads so I do understand the matchmaking process at higher levels. This is a sloppy mathematical representation
because the system was corrupted through an exploit it is no longer in the natural state, now that that has been corrected at least somewhat the model will return to normal. The people currently at the top will experience large initial cup losses as the system returns to homeostasis.

To your point he gets penalised for gaming the system and being an unnatural outlier.

Dear players
I am pitri, I am champion and I have become 15 in the world ranking.
I greatly appreciate the changes you made ​​(supercell), this benefits those who play honestly.
It is right and just that we all play by the same rules.

Congratulations! if some champions threaten to leave the game, do so! many others will stay because finally did justice!

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Originally Posted by Pitri

Dear players
I am pitri, I am champion and I have become 15 in the world ranking.
I greatly appreciate the changes you made ​​(supercell), this benefits those who play honestly.
It is right and just that we all play by the same rules.

Congratulations! if some champions threaten to leave the game, do so! many others will stay because finally did justice!

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Well said my friend! They just need to bring back gold spells so we don't have to gem elixir to push and all will be right with the world.

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Originally Posted by Anarchos

First off, the previous thread was closed due to incessant flaming and name calling. Lets not have that happen again.
Secondly, the players in the top ranks are upset and rightfully so. They feel as if SC has turned its back on them after they've spent thousands of dollars to get to where they are.
Thirdly farmers and high end masters players are happy because they feel as if SC has eliminated a major exploit of the game, and they have.


Lets look at some of the facts here. When farming some raids you find will yield 35 trophies and some will yield 10. This is because of the difference in your trophy count compared to your opponents trophy level. The larger the gap between your trophy count and your opponents means the trophy count earned will be huge, or tiny. You can always pick another base to raid if you want more trophies. However if you take a player with 4,200 trophies 99.99999% of the players they attack will have lower trophy counts and thus yield lower trophy winnings. On the other hand 99.99999% of players who attack them will find a huge trophy earning. This basic concept is what is flawed and drives too end players to exploit the loop hole of attacking clan mates or "minis." They feel the right to do so, and players struggling to reach the top tier feels its a huge exploit.

Every argument has 2 sides, and every side has logical viewpoints. It's hard to say either side is "in the wrong" with this argument. Supercell has chosen to side with the idea that so called "cheap shields" are being abused and have done their best to end them. How does this affect the status quo? Now players will not be able to manipulate the system to gain a 12 hour shield as easily, and will help players struggling to reach the top end of the trophy spectrum to do so in a way SC feels is more fair. Also it means that initially less players will have 4,000+ trophies because they'll be raided and 2 to 3 star'd more frequently dropping their trophy count. However this should in theory bring more and more players into the upper echelons of Champions league which will directly lower the time it takes to search for a decent raid, and that will (in the long term) raise the overall trophy count of top players.

So while both sides have strong views on the issue, SC did it because regardless of either sides arguments they feel it is in the best interest of the game and will cause a ripple effect long term to help more players reach the top ranks.



Feel free to let me know your opinion on the issue, but please no flaming or name calling!

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i agree with this change. Im a champion league player in bonbee canada and we do not cheap shield (also why were not protesting). These people exploit a system and create what equates to a big boys club. You can look in but without a top clan who cheap shields u will never go above a certain point. Thats not what this game is about. I hope they do retire because they were gaming the system and making it take forever to find a decent raid.

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Originally Posted by Eccentricity

Well said my friend! They just need to bring back gold spells so we don't have to gem elixir to push and all will be right with the world.

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are you kidding me? elixir spells were the best part of the update

I too am an honest champion that would just like to thank Supercell for levelling the playing field.

The way the cheap shield brigade have reacted with their sense of entitlement to exploit what effectively is a chèat is laughable.

Take your bat and ball and go home, or adapt to playing legitimately, either way, supercell and the community will do just fine with or without them.

Top 5 clans:
We can't cheet anymore, lets cry and quit the game

Everyone else:

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Originally Posted by Pitri

Dear players
I am pitri, I am champion and I have become 15 in the world ranking.
I greatly appreciate the changes you made ​​(supercell), this benefits those who play honestly.
It is right and just that we all play by the same rules.

Congratulations! if some champions threaten to leave the game, do so! many others will stay because finally did justice!

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More like 147 in the world. But nice try.

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Originally Posted by Valman61

i agree with this change. Im a champion league player in bonbee canada and we do not cheap shield (also why were not protesting). These people exploit a system and create what equates to a big boys club. You can look in but without a top clan who cheap shields u will never go above a certain point. Thats not what this game is about. I hope they do retire because they were gaming the system and making it take forever to find a decent raid.

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You guys don't shield. Haha nice try that's not what I know and many other champs.

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Originally Posted by Toly

More like 147 in the world. But nice try.

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He said he was at one time

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Originally Posted by Toly

You guys don't shield. Haha nice try that's not what I know and many other champs.

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Toly ur mistaken. Feel free to stop by we will explain it to you if you want.

Consider your trophy losses karma for gaming the system. Judging by the amount of clans with same crybaby description I applaud Supercell for fixing this issue. I have checked some "top player" profiles and it is a joke that I see TH7s with higher loots stolen than many of them. Buying a superhero outfit doesn't make you Batman. Alot of your base designs are a joke. Now either change your maxi pads and learn how to defend or quit playing and give honest players a fair chance. By whining you are only making yourselves look like spoiled brats.

They changes to the one with dark blue and turquoise stripes... Why?

If you look at them all they all have angry messages to supercell in there clan description
what happened in the most recent update that is making them all wanna quit ?!?

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If you look at them all they all have angry messages to supercell in there clan description
what happened in the most recent update that is making them all wanna quit ?!?

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They can't exploit revenge to give each other free shields anymore and will now have to use skills that they never acquired due to gemming to attack and defend properly

Free shielding thats it. Top players had given each other free shields stopping attacks at 40%-49% and the attacker loses only 1 trophy and the defender gets a free shield therefore equaling out the play field. Go to OJM's thread for more details

Maybe they just want to mix it up. You know go with something fresh.:cool:

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Maybe they just want to mix it up. You know go with something fresh.:cool:

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yes this clearly

Prob a troll but if not start here
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ts-top-players

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They changes to the one with dark blue and turquoise stripes... Why?

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they're the new hot colors this coming winter

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Prob a troll but if not start here
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ts-top-players

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back on topic guys

This was still a brilliant move by supercell :)
Trophies return to normal 3700 probably for top player.
No more crazy wait time for a good offer now peeps can reach trophy count they would never be able to because of the top 10 ch3@ters I mean players :rolleyes:

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Finally, I want to adress how some top players have chose to voice their disagreement. Several top clans have changed their descriptions and there is even a clan for soon to be retireees, but what else are they doing? Are they on FB protesting? Are they emailing SC with their complaints? Well, they certainly aren't making too much of an effort here on the forums. What I mean is that there isn't many of them here arguing their case, not that the few that are here are doing anything wrong.

If they want to see changes, they have to speak up and take it right to SC. You can't send a message with a clan description; you have to make well thought out and rational arguments and present them to SC and the general CoC populatin. If they do that, maybe they get enough support to change the system into something that makes everyone happier. Until then, I can't see SC going out of their way to change anything for them.

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Amazing reply by Zach, word for word, but this really stuck out to me the most. The fact that they're not coming to the forums and expressing their viewpoints isn't helping them. They're just throwing a tantrum and hoping that the money that they have invested into the game is enough for SC to revert to the previous system. I think Zach explained it perfectly and that is all I have to say.

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Originally Posted by Pitri

Dear players
I am pitri, I am champion and I have become 15 in the world ranking.
I greatly appreciate the changes you made ​​(supercell), this benefits those who play honestly.
It is right and just that we all play by the same rules.

Congratulations! if some champions threaten to leave the game, do so! many others will stay because finally did justice!

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Originally Posted by Valman61

i agree with this change. Im a champion league player in bonbee canada and we do not cheap shield (also why were not protesting). These people exploit a system and create what equates to a big boys club. You can look in but without a top clan who cheap shields u will never go above a certain point. Thats not what this game is about. I hope they do retire because they were gaming the system and making it take forever to find a decent raid.

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The fact that there's other top players commenting on the forums and expressing their approval of the new change speaks volumes. The other top tier guys who are against it should also create an account and take action. Just saying.

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Originally Posted by PR77

The problem is now it is not an even play field in champion league.

A 3900 cup player will get 1 cup from a 3250 cup player from an atk and the 3250cup player will get 58 cups from the 3900 how is this a level play field? it is not and it is the biggest reason why high cup players needed a cheap shield other champions get it also why not them ?

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Like Zach said, they made the gap exist in the first place by using cheap shields. Now it's pay back time. Think about what you do before you act, champions.

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Originally Posted by Radu

Is not a valid comparison but some have also problems with revenge down here! This because TH outside!
Months ago i post a solution but nobody cares about!! Supercell please make the Townhall holds 200/200k and 500 Dark elixer. One week and you see NO Townhall outside!

To be honest, Townhall outside is cheap Shild! :(

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LOL please kys.

They don't give us 7 day shields as we are the ones who spend the most money 😂😂😂

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Well, there is a cooldown for bought shields. Maybe by adjusting this they can make is viable.

I get that a 7-day shield means less money spent on boosting and troop rushing, as well as other things they spend gems/money on. So if it means less money, yeah, probably won't happen.

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All u farmers do is pick on the weak and put ur th outside the walls for shields. We attack all max bases 99 percent of time for 1 cup. If we lose it's -39. I think there is a lot of risk. Where is yours? U guys don't care about cups all u want is resources to build ur def so the weaker players can't take it. As one great player just reminded me it's clash of CLANS not clash of player

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Originally Posted by Daddy

Personal opinion time:

It took any competition out of the game and made a joke out of ultra high cup chasing, the effect of this small group of individuals actions was thousands of good honest champions had no chance - it needed to be fixed and it was.

The farmers TH outside the walls thing is not a valid comparison farmers can go for hours with no one bothering to snipe them, their base is still available for attack.

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All u farmers do is pick on the weak and put ur th outside the walls for shields. We attack all max bases 99 percent of time for 1 cup. If we lose it's -39. I think there is a lot of risk. Where is yours? U guys don't care about cups all u want is resources to build ur def so the weaker players can't take it. As one great player just reminded me it's clash of CLANS not clash of player

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You are such an awesome raider,
Your achievements are also a wonder,
I love your THs destroyed and battles won,
You must be having so much fun,
If you think you are the best you must be a fool,
I've seen TH7 with better raiding stats than you.

http://i.imgur.com/0y3woJ5.jpg


:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Sandalhat

You are such an awesome raider,
Your achievements are also a wonder,
I love your THs destroyed and battles won,
You must be having so much fun,
If you think you are the best you must be a fool,
I've seen TH7 with better raiding stats than you.

http://i.imgur.com/0y3woJ5.jpg


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Are you kidding?? How can you compare your stats with someone who is in top 10? The army training time, finding an enemy to attack etc takes hours in his level. They dont attack someone in 10-50 search. It may take lots of time till they find a suitable opponent to attack.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 in bombee sucking troops now? Awesome Val

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Originally Posted by Valman61

i agree with this change. Im a champion league player in bonbee canada and we do not cheap shield (also why were not protesting). These people exploit a system and create what equates to a big boys club. You can look in but without a top clan who cheap shields u will never go above a certain point. Thats not what this game is about. I hope they do retire because they were gaming the system and making it take forever to find a decent raid.

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Will raise my stats looking for u :)

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Originally Posted by Sandalhat

You are such an awesome raider,
Your achievements are also a wonder,
I love your THs destroyed and battles won,
You must be having so much fun,
If you think you are the best you must be a fool,
I've seen TH7 with better raiding stats than you.

http://i.imgur.com/0y3woJ5.jpg


:rolleyes:

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Will raise my stats looking for u :)

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Ooh i'm so scared i'm gonna shed a tear,
Oh how i cower in fear,
Feel free to attack me, no big deal,
Don't worry i don't have friends to give me shield.


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Oh come on guys, stop mocking each other, silly. Since we share tons of love for the game in different ways.

sc needs create hybrid system where farmers and cupper can go along..share love.

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Ooh i'm so scared i'm gonna shed a tear,
Oh how i cower in fear,
Feel free to attack me, no big deal,
Don't worry i don't have friends to give me shield.


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Best post of 2013

Anyone see the IMMORTAL EMPIRE clan desc?
It says, Top players who are contemplating retiring due to the new revenge policy....man up! Stop whining about not being able to ♥♥♥♥♥!
+Respect

I know it blows that u can't cheap shield anymore, but if ur gon let that be ur excuse to quit then hey, more power to u. Dont be mad at supercell, be mad at yourselves. U guys made ur ivory towers now u can watch em fall. CLASH ON!!!!!

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😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 in bombee sucking troops now? Awesome Val

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Yea bro just living the dream. Hope all is well with u tho, tried to stop by but u werent around. I'll overlook the back handed compliment i know ur mad about the changes

What is this? An episode of Fear Factor? Let's get the trash talk under control before fear becomes a factor for You.

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Originally Posted by Sandalhat

You are such an awesome raider,
Your achievements are also a wonder,
I love your THs destroyed and battles won,
You must be having so much fun,
If you think you are the best you must be a fool,
I've seen TH7 with better raiding stats than you.

http://i.imgur.com/0y3woJ5.jpg


:rolleyes:

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All you can do is dream about coming close to 4000. Like he did.

Sorry, was I not clear? Let me be blunt.

No more trash talk, personal attacks, flaming, whatever you want to call it. There wil be bans and/or infractions to follow if this warning is ignored.

Cheers

I will save myself much reading and say that nobody cares how it affects those that gained by exploiting the system. Nobody is crying for you. Like I said before, you chose to spend your trust fund on a pixel village. Nobody that has earned the funds would invest by the thousands in such a trivial endevour that guarantees a diminishing return. So cry elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by Tinkerbell

Sorry, was I not clear? Let me be blunt.

No more trash talk, personal attacks, flaming, whatever you want to call it. There wil be bans and/or fractions to follow if this warning is ignored.

Cheers

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Are you being 1/3 serious, 6/7 serious, or what? Sorry, I just don't want a ban. Fractions are fun!

:D

The same ones that are complaining about searching for raids for more than 1 cup for 2 hours are the same ones exploiting the shield. And are the same ones complaining about this update. 2+2 = 4.

These people are not the brightest bunch, this much is clear. Maybe you can not hit next for an hour or two to find 5 cups? ever think of that?

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Are you being 1/3 serious, 6/7 serious, or what? Sorry, I just don't want a ban. Fractions are fun!

:D

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pun pun pun pun!!! :rolleyes:

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Are you being 1/3 serious, 6/7 serious, or what? Sorry, I just don't want a ban. Fractions are fun!

:D

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Lol, trust YOU to pick up on my typo;)
Ok, THiS time back to the topic...

What's going on and whats up with them retiring? And the use of SC. What does it even mean???? PLease give me an in depth talk about whats up! And does it affect me?

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What's going on and whats up with them retiring? And the use of SC. What does it even mean???? PLease give me an in depth talk about whats up! And does it affect me?

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Just read the threads in this General section to catch up. It's been heavily discussed over the last 48 hours.

Only affects you if you've been cheeting.

SC is short for Supercell

ok so there was an exploit in the game that allowed people to somehow keep their trophies by avoiding real defense attacks. Now supercell decided to correct this. I don't see why anyone would be angry about this? even those with 4000+ cups. Aren't those guys complaining about losing 35+ cups if the fail an attack while only winning 1 cup when winning? with this change the field will start to level gradually they will lose lots of cups at first, but when cups are more even it will get much better. Is it really a big deal if No 1 player has 4250 cups or just 3400? it's just a stupid inflated number that won't really matter as long as you have the same rank. Won't those top players love it when they lose a defense they can make those lost cups back in few attacks?

Isn't it better than what some where proposing to have supercell to rest all cups? at least those top players still have an advantage of having a big gap between the lower ranked players

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Originally Posted by Anarchos

You say they're taking advantage of an exploit by having a friend give them a 12 hour shield and only giving or taking 1 trophy, but at the same point in time they say farmers are taking advantage of an exploit by having their TH left free to attack to gain a 12 hour shield and not lose resources. As I said before both sides have a valid point and SC has sided with the idea the exploit in champs league is too big. Long term it's good for everyone. Short term the top players feel very insulted and angry. My opinion is that it does in fact level the playing field some what, however EVERYONE is entitled to their own opinions.

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If that's what they are saying in their defence, then that's a load of rubbish. Yes farmers leave their th on the outside, on the "chance" someone might just attack it and give a shield.... But nothing is stopping someone going full out on them and 3 starring them and taking all their loot...

it it will be sad if we was told how to design our base... Some are good and some are plain ♥♥♥♥, which is what makes this game fun.

anyway if those at the top want to quit, who cares... Someone else will just replace them

You also cannot buy 1 week shields above 3200 trophies, north 44 said it in their clan description.

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Originally Posted by Veraplay

The fact that there's other top players commenting on the forums and expressing their approval of the new change speaks volumes. The other top tier guys who are against it should also create an account and take action. Just saying.

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But that's the problem. They knew full well that it was an exploit; and they were on shaky ground.

They can all join the forum and voice their objection - but how can they possibly justify an exploit, and convince anyone (let alone SC) that it was the right thing?