Revenge Change and how it affects top players

The problem is now it is not an even play field in champion league.

A 3900 cup player will get 1 cup from a 3250 cup player from an atk and the 3250cup player will get 58 cups from the 3900 how is this a level play field? it is not and it is the biggest reason why high cup players needed a cheap shield other champions get it also why not them ?

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Originally Posted by PR77

The problem is now it is not an even play field in champion league.

A 3900 cup player will get 1 cup from a 3250 cup player from an atk and the 3250cup player will get 58 cups from the 3900 how is this a level play field? it is not and it is the biggest reason why high cup players needed a cheap shield other champions get it also why not them ?

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That is a level playing field, if you really are that many cups better than someone you will win if you are not your inflated totals will come back to earth where they belong.

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Originally Posted by JustAnotherBen

I completly agree, when looking on the top clans I noticed half of them are deciding to retire of quit because of this, I think some people over reacted but I would be pretty angry if I was that dedicated and had spent time and money to get there, Just my opinion.

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They have too much vested in this game to quit. A very small minority might, but the vast majority will continue to play. They are just throwing a temper tantrum with all of those clan descriptions crying about their cheeting coming to an end.

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Originally Posted by Exiists

You do realize that the ones quitting are the ones who were exploiting the free shield, right? SuperCell simply fixed something that was on the list of things to fix. Getting mad because they lost a cheap tactic is downright silly. I'm glad they are 'quitting'. It gives everyone an equal chance to be a trophy hunter now.

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All players exploit cheap shield one way or another and alot of low cup champions still get a cheap shield after the update (when raided by a higher cup player) The problem is now everyone has a chance to get cups as high as possible only to lose them all the next day because there is no way to maintain them rendering the all cup pushing exercise useless. Why spend hundreds of dollars gemming troops to raid so they can lose most of it on 1 single defence?

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Originally Posted by zachUVA

Cheap shielding was a tactic for many months. As long as SC did nothing about it, the top players can't really be faulted for doing anything and everything they could within the rules (and like or not, it was allowed) to go as high on those leaderboards as possible. This is the source of some of their very own problems, though. Without cheap shields and such, how would the gaps become so large between players with identical bases (all maxxed) and theoretically comparable skill? Yes, there are variations in skill and playing time that could cause players to get ahead even without these tactics, but there is a newfound fluidity that should prevent such large, insurmountable gaps from emerging.

Now that revenges are effectively gone for these players, they have a harder time getting their cheap shields and some of their cups. The focus now is on whether this change is "fair" to those players, and why some of them are threatening to quit over it.

In my opinion, this is a very welcome change. You had players creating inctricate webs of shielding each other in order to stamp out threats from lower/mid champion players. These practices can be viewed as anti-competitive, but again, they were allowed. It all disappeared in a day, though. They woke up one morning and it was largely gone. Their methods rendered obselete, and they are suddenly forced into the same system that everyone else is.

I don't see how this is unfair to them. They used these tactics to create a buffer between themselves and their challengers, and now they are being forced to adapt and defend their spots like everyone else. I have seen some people claim that there should have been a warning to let them know about this change, but that doesn't make much sense to me. It is a change designed to take out a set of tactics that SC has seemingly deemed inappropriate for their game. Why announce a crackdown on malicious activities? Just do it, which is exactly what SC did.

Now, we see those top players faced with the decision to adapt or quit, with many choosing tha latter so it seems. The top spots are supposed to represent the best, most hardcore clashers in the game, and some of them seem unwilling to invest the time, energy, and cash to claim that spot legitimately.

No matter what they ultimately decide, there will be players who do want those spots, and they will take them if/when they have the chance.

Finally, I want to adress how some top players have chose to voice their disagreement. Several top clans have changed their descriptions and there is even a clan for soon to be retireees, but what else are they doing? Are they on FB protesting? Are they emailing SC with their complaints? Well, they certainly aren't making too much of an effort here on the forums. What I mean is that there isn't many of them here arguing their case, not that the few that are here are doing anything wrong.

If they want to see changes, they have to speak up and take it right to SC. You can't send a message with a clan description; you have to make well thought out and rational arguments and present them to SC and the general CoC populatin. If they do that, maybe they get enough support to change the system into something that makes everyone happier. Until then, I can't see SC going out of their way to change anything for them.

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Wow, nice post man.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

Everyone up there spends a lot of money on the game. So it isn't about depriving skilled, but not rich, players. It's about depriving players with scruples and a strong sense of fair play from competing.

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Good post.

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Originally Posted by Beagle21

That is a level playing field, if you really are that many cups better than someone you will win if you are not your inflated totals will come back to earth where they belong.

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Sorry you do not understand cup search will offer bases up to 700 cups difference regardless of your cup level. If you raid alot and win most of the atks you will go up the higher you go the less bases at your level you will find until you will get to a point where most bases are worth 1-2 cups and if you lose a raid to one of those bases you risk 39 cups but if that base raids you then you can lose 58 cups There is a big difference on the amount of cups you risk to lose or win . The high cup player did not use any cheap tactics he followed the rules but in the end he gets penalised for having a perfect atk skill and spending hours raiding other bases

I'd like to throw my 2c in.

To the top tier players:
No we haven't been in your shoes. I'm sure it took lots of money and waiting to get where you are. But from our standpoint, you used an underhanded way (albeit legal or within the rules) to get to where you are and stay there. Should that warrant our respect? I think if you'll be patient and learn to play within the adjusted rules you'll likely find it more balanced and probably be able to find opponents without sifting through the clouds for a 1 or 2 trophy raid.

To anyone who thinks that the top clans quitting will hurt SC financially in any way: I think you are out of touch. Their financial situation is more than solid. The top tier of heavy gemmers only represents a very small fraction of the income. They will be just fine even if the top 50 clans quit entirely and never spend another dime.

If the top level clans want to be heard, they should show up and maturely present their issue and possible solutions backed by reasoning and intelligent discussion. I believe Zach has had some sound advice which he has posted several times already. You would do well to read it and follow it.

As a low level farmer and occasional trophy pusher - do I really care about the top players? Nah, but if Supercell has adjusted the game in a way that makes the game fair for all, (especially those trying to work their way up the honest way) then I'm all for it.

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Originally Posted by fowlerbt

I'd like to throw my 2c in.

To the top tier players:
No we haven't been in your shoes. I'm sure it took lots of money and waiting to get where you are. But from our standpoint, you used an underhanded way (albeit legal or within the rules) to get to where you are and stay there. Should that warrant our respect? I think if you'll be patient and learn to play within the adjusted rules you'll likely find it more balanced and probably be able to find opponents without sifting through the clouds for a 1 or 2 trophy raid.

To anyone who thinks that the top clans quitting will hurt SC financially in any way: I think you are out of touch. Their financial situation is more than solid. The top tier of heavy gemmers only represents a very small fraction of the income. They will be just fine even if the top 50 clans quit entirely and never spend another dime.

If the top level clans want to be heard, they should show up and maturely present their issue and possible solutions backed by reasoning and intelligent discussion. I believe Zach has had some sound advice which he has posted several times already. You would do well to read it and follow it.

As a low level farmer and occasional trophy pusher - do I really care about the top players? Nah, but if Supercell has adjusted the game in a way that makes the game fair for all, (especially those trying to work their way up the honest way) then I'm all for it.

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They are just posturing, they have vested too much in this game to quit.

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Originally Posted by PR77

Sorry you do not understand cup search will offer bases up to 700 cups difference regardless of your cup level. If you raid alot and win most of the atks you will go up the higher you go the less bases at your level you will find until you will get to a point where most bases are worth 1-2 cups and if you lose a raid to one of those bases you risk 39 cups but if that base raids you then you can lose 58 cups There is a big difference on the amount of cups you risk to lose or win . The high cup player did not use any cheap tactics he followed the rules but in the end he gets penalised for having a perfect atk skill and spending hours raiding other bases

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Lol, unlike some I actuall read the posts in threads so I do understand the matchmaking process at higher levels. This is a sloppy mathematical representation
because the system was corrupted through an exploit it is no longer in the natural state, now that that has been corrected at least somewhat the model will return to normal. The people currently at the top will experience large initial cup losses as the system returns to homeostasis.

To your point he gets penalised for gaming the system and being an unnatural outlier.