Clouds - Let's help Supercell with ideas

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Originally Posted by 2222

Please don't unless a limit is placed on the number of attacks per day and, if going this route, we might as well just go PvP and have it one attack and one defense each player vs. player.

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The problem with PvP, as others have noted, is that it requires you to cook a one-sized-fits-all-army. I proposed still allowing nexts, but simple that once you initiate an attack, your base goes into the attackable pool for duration of your attack, behind any/all other bases currently without guards/shields. This will be meaningless outside of titans 1 and legendary, where you stand a good chance of being raided during that time window.

It even makes sense in the context of the game, in so little as anything does, in that when you're off attacking another village with an army, you leave yours vulnerable to attack in the meantime. Only tricky part is that heros need to be two places at once...e.g. a solvable solution no doubt, just have the guard/sleep button also control whether your heros are with you in battle, or remove them from the home village as soon as any of them are used.

The point is just making it to where if you get to raid, someone gets a chance to raid you, without requiring everyone to build a one-size-fits-all army or spending ten minutes deciding how to restructure their main base army to take a base (which would seem likely if we did true PvP). The other issue with PvP is that if you push through titans you get pretty good at managing shields and guard time, then all that becomes meaningless when you hit this proposed PvP wall at legendary. But inserting your base at the back of the attackable queue while you're attacking another base requires no fundamental changes to the game play from the player perspective, except the possible annoyance of raiding to get 15 trophies, and coming back to find out you lost 20...but that's a risk I think most in the clouds now would be willing to take for the chance to raid someone.

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Originally Posted by Jiggy82

My preferred solution for clouds would be to put a timer on the multiplayer search function such that after a certain time clouding without finding any available bases for the attacker (ie. 60 seconds) the game brings up a "clone base" for you to attack/next.

The clone base would simply be a copy of a randomly chosen base of one of the currently shielded or online players bases within the normal matchmaking range for the attacker.

The clone base would offer the attacker whatever loot and trophies the copied base would offer at that moment if it were available in the matchmaking pool. The owner of the copied base would not lose or gain any trophies or loot, but perhaps could see a replay/live replay of the attack on their copied base.

While I personally would prefer there to be no clouds at any trophy count, I'm not a leaderboard player so not sure if some players would be concerned about the integrity of competition at the top of the leaderboard or making it too pay to win. If needed the time before a clone base is offered could be set to increase with the attackers trophy count. SC would need to fine tune the balance of how much time is required before a clone base is offered to keep the leaderboard guys happy while keeping the clouds to a minimum.

Seems like this would have minimal downside, or is there something I am missing?

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So in order to compete in legends we would have to boost our army and heroes and attack nonstop every minute all day long? It would be pay to play. Right now, having to search for hours and attack now and then is hard enough. Imagine having to actually be looking at the screen playing that whole time.

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Originally Posted by jgalt101

The problem with PvP, as others have noted, is that it requires you to cook a one-sized-fits-all-army. I proposed still allowing nexts, but simple that once you initiate an attack, your base goes into the attackable pool for duration of your attack, behind any/all other bases currently without guards/shields. This will be meaningless outside of titans 1 and legendary, where you stand a good chance of being raided during that time window.

It even makes sense in the context of the game, in so little as anything does, in that when you're off attacking another village with an army, you leave yours vulnerable to attack in the meantime. Only tricky part is that heros need to be two places at once...e.g. a solvable solution no doubt, just have the guard/sleep button also control whether your heros are with you in battle, or remove them from the home village as soon as any of them are used.

The point is just making it to where if you get to raid, someone gets a chance to raid you, without requiring everyone to build a one-size-fits-all army or spending ten minutes deciding how to restructure their main base army to take a base (which would seem likely if we did true PvP). The other issue with PvP is that if you push through titans you get pretty good at managing shields and guard time, then all that becomes meaningless when you hit this proposed PvP wall at legendary. But inserting your base at the back of the attackable queue while you're attacking another base requires no fundamental changes to the game play from the player perspective, except the possible annoyance of raiding to get 15 trophies, and coming back to find out you lost 20...but that's a risk I think most in the clouds now would be willing to take for the chance to raid someone.

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Why does PvP require a one-size-fits-all army? Builder hall doesn’t.

So what if PvP did didn’t allow the army to be changed, that is what we do in legends now already. It would be an improvement. We shouldn’t let the inability to reach perfection stop us from getting an improvement.

Yes, in PvP you wouldn’t have to manage shield and guard time. Those who favor PvP are happy about that mostly. I can also tell you that in higher legends there isn’t all that much management of shield and guard time anyway. It is just attack all the time.

I am just floating one more idea. How about if SC increases the incentive to push to legend league? If we have more and more players pushing towards it, maybe clouds will be less. In that case, one incentive legend players can have is that army/spell generation time and hero regen time is reduced by 20% -30% time. Basically will give the opportunity to attack more and thus reduce the shield faster as well. And once again this benefit goes away as soon as he/she drops to titan league. Not sure if this could work. But worth a try for 1 week and see if more champions/titan are pushing towards legend.

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Originally Posted by 2222

So in order to compete in legends we would have to boost our army and heroes and attack nonstop every minute all day long? It would be pay to play. Right now, having to search for hours and attack now and then is hard enough. Imagine having to actually be looking at the screen playing that whole time.

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actually, I said that SC can fine tune the time it takes to find a base to suit what the players want at various trophy levels.

for example it could be that after 60 seconds in clouds you get a base up until 5k trophies, from 5k to 5.5 it could be 30 minutes, 5.5k to 6k could be 2 hrs, over 6k 4 hrs. At some point it could even be set to offer a clone base just before the player times out.

I've not been up that high myself so not sure what times would be appropriate for the various trophy ranges. The point would be simply to make things better than what it is now for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Jiggy82

My preferred solution for clouds would be to put a timer on the multiplayer search function such that after a certain time clouding without finding any available bases for the attacker (ie. 60 seconds) the game brings up a "clone base" for you to attack/next.

The clone base would simply be a copy of a randomly chosen base of one of the currently shielded or online players bases within the normal matchmaking range for the attacker.

The clone base would offer the attacker whatever loot and trophies the copied base would offer at that moment if it were available in the matchmaking pool. The owner of the copied base would not lose or gain any trophies or loot, but perhaps could see a replay/live replay of the attack on their copied base.

While I personally would prefer there to be no clouds at any trophy count, I'm not a leaderboard player so not sure if some players would be concerned about the integrity of competition at the top of the leaderboard or making it too pay to win. If needed the time before a clone base is offered could be set to increase with the attackers trophy count. SC would need to fine tune the balance of how much time is required before a clone base is offered to keep the leaderboard guys happy while keeping the clouds to a minimum.

Seems like this would have minimal downside, or is there something I am missing?

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That is a possible solution, but one possible negative effect that comes to mind is trophy inflation. If suddenly more people are gaining trophies from clone bases, that means that many more trophies are being injected into the game, rather than trading hands. Perhaps this can be mitigated by shorter leagues...

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Originally Posted by daxhin

I am just floating one more idea. How about if SC increases the incentive to push to legend league? If we have more and more players pushing towards it, maybe clouds will be less. In that case, one incentive legend players can have is that army/spell generation time and hero regen time is reduced by 20% -30% time. Basically will give the opportunity to attack more and thus reduce the shield faster as well. And once again this benefit goes away as soon as he/she drops to titan league. Not sure if this could work. But worth a try for 1 week and see if more champions/titan are pushing towards legend.

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So you're proposing more players in the league, who are attacking more frequently? I don't think you understand the problem...

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Originally Posted by TheConfuzed1

That is a possible solution, but one possible negative effect that comes to mind is trophy inflation. If suddenly more people are gaining trophies from clone bases, that means that many more trophies are being injected into the game, rather than trading hands. Perhaps this can be mitigated by shorter leagues...

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Trophy inflation could potentially be a problem depending on how long we had to wait before being offered a clone base. The inflation would be mostly contained to legend league though so it would all be wiped out with each season reset and I agree that shorter seasons would help with that too.

Also, just saw this from a week ago,

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Originally Posted by TheConfuzed1

First of all, I'd like to redefine what is meant by 'forced break'--Allow us to stay in the game, but make editing the base not possible, and allow us to be hit during this time while online. I can't imagine what made the people at Super Cell decide that it was a good business move to kick people out of their game!

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That is a great idea, I've thought the same thing myself. Who kicks players out of their game?

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Originally Posted by Jiggy82

actually, I said that SC can fine tune the time it takes to find a base to suit what the players want at various trophy levels.

for example it could be that after 60 seconds in clouds you get a base up until 5k trophies, from 5k to 5.5 it could be 30 minutes, 5.5k to 6k could be 2 hrs, over 6k 4 hrs. At some point it could even be set to offer a clone base just before the player times out.

I've not been up that high myself so not sure what times would be appropriate for the various trophy ranges. The point would be simply to make things better than what it is now for everyone.

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That could work, so could PvP, so could some shield changes, etc. I think there are many options worth a shot. I don’t even mind it all that much as it is now (other than account sharing), but I know many cannot play it like I can.

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Originally Posted by 2222

That could work, so could PvP, so could some shield changes, etc. I think there are many options worth a shot. I don’t even mind it all that much as it is now (other than account sharing), but I know many cannot play it like I can.

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Personally I would have no problem with PvP as a fix for clouds, it's just that it is a rather radical change from the current gameplay.

I'm one of those who for various reasons I simply can't do the real clouds. I can already barely tolerate the relatively brief clouds I run into in T1. Honestly I don't know how you guys can do it season after season.