Pointless to war or level defenses now.

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Originally Posted by AFrostyBlaze

seems like a pretty darn low rate of 11 v 11 3 starring to me...especially if the combined total between 3 wars for us on offense/defense is only 17% (9/52 raids)

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17% is pretty darn low??

Thank God Supercell ignores this section

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Originally Posted by AFrostyBlaze

i'm still not seeing where all this fuss about th11 defenses being pointless...

we faced a clan with NDL or similar league players and they only 3'd half of our 11s (but we had some crappy anti 2s not knowing or expecting their skill)

over the course of the last 3 wars for our defensive stats, we've only had 3 bases get 3 starred out of 27 raids (11%)

as far as our offense goes, we 3 starred 0 against the clan with good bases, 3 of the 6 th11s last war and looking like 3 of the 9 this war....for a whopping combined total of 6 th11 3 stars out of 25 th11 raids (24% rate) over the course of last 3 wars.

seems like a pretty darn low rate of 11 v 11 3 starring to me...especially if the combined total between 3 wars for us on offense/defense is only 17% (9/52 raids)

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Originally Posted by VeeBirds

17% is pretty darn low??

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SC probably uses this section for entertainment purposes.

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Originally Posted by VeeBirds

17% is pretty darn low??

Thank God Supercell ignores this section

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Bit of context goes a long way.

17% compared to the 5-6% it was on max th11 anti-3s in last season’s NDL?

Yes, HUGE increase.

However, when people throw around stupid allegations along the lines of:
‘Game broken, easy mode, auto 3*, perfect draw’

Then yes, 17% is very low, don’t you think?

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Originally Posted by Superfinch30

Bit of context goes a long way.

17% compared to the 5-6% it was on max th11 anti-3s in last season’s NDL?

Yes, HUGE increase.

However, when people throw around stupid allegations along the lines of:
‘Game broken, easy mode, auto 3*, perfect draw’

Then yes, 17% is very low, don’t you think?

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I agree with this. And wasn’t saying it has not gotten Easier. SC has reduced the effectiveness of a major defense. I am just not seeing the majority of bases at th 10 or 11 getting 3 starred by the average attacker.
I think making the game somewhat easier at higher levels is a positive for long term success.

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Originally Posted by OnyxDS

I was refering to 7 of your bases being big. And your scoring on them IS relevant - almost all your attacks on their big TH11s were 2*, not 3* - that's very relevant to your claim that's it too easy and everything is being 3*ed.



Let's just remind us of your #8:
http://twoseven.co.uk/coc/t2/cal8.jpg

You are saying that this base was never 3*ed, despite being in wars where around 30 big TH11 attacks are available? You don't see any problem with the fact that big TH11s can't 3* bases that have TH10 guns?

As to "makes defences no longer valid": of course they are valid. Despite having enormously more attacks than the game is calibrated for, the enemy failed to get a perfect score from you. What has become invalid is the anchor method of engineering where there are a number of max bases at the top, and then a very rapid drop off to TH9 defences - as your top TH10 has - which tends to leave that clan with slightly more max bases than the opponent, and an automatic win. That method of splitting into big defences and largely undefended bases has been heavily nerfed, since the enemy can possibly get 3* on the big bases now.


5/7 bases. Counting the base above as a big TH11 is just undermining your argument.
But, once again, the opponent had around double the normal number of TH11 attacks. Getting 5/7 with twice as many attacks as normal


They weren't too hard for the average player. According to your own statement they were too hard for anyone. You just said NONE of these bases had EVER been 3*ed. And it was true - the 3* rate in strong leagues was laughably low at TH10/11.


I suspect SC don't care how broken the game is for heavily engineered clans. They see them as a big problem.


Which once again contradicts your opening statements. If every base is easy to 3*, and defence is pointless, how come your guys didn't think it was even worth trying to attack? The reality is your guys didn't attack because they thought there was no way they could possibly achieve a score of 73 - so even with a large number of excess attacks your guys thought it impossible to achieve a high proportion of 3* on the targets.


Obviously it's not coincidence. The whole point of the update was to increase the 3* rate on max bases from around zero, to something higher.


So you are saying a non-max base could defend 8 times, and also saying it's pointless to build defences because every attack will be 3*? Does not compute.

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Our number 8 did not get threed, oddly enough, it was one of the two left, for whatever reason. They certainly had the skill to do it, just chose not to and looted with attacks. Also didn’t use 2 as I mentioned. Like I said think they just felt sorry for us and didn’t finish the last two bases or the guy didn’t need loot.

I’ll agree the three percentage rate was low previously, but with poor layout you could still three star maxed th11. That stupid base with the eagle and airs defenses to one side that could always be threed by dragons Comes to mind. We threed that one anytime it came up.

An average clan and an average skilled player has a shot of getting three now. Again with 50/50 heros.

In our current war I just 3D a base that didn’t have 3 maxed archer towers or air defenses. Other than that fully maxed. Had my king, queen 5 bowlers and 3 witches left. That’s stupid.

I’m also assuming based on most of the profiles I’m seeing that you all don’t have 50/50 heros. It’s a very different game at 50/50.

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Originally Posted by Superfinch30

Bit of context goes a long way.


17% compared to the 5-6% it was on max th11 anti-3s in last season’s NDL?

Yes, HUGE increase.

However, when people throw around stupid allegations along the lines of:
‘Game broken, easy mode, auto 3*, perfect draw’

Then yes, 17% is very low, don’t you think?

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Get maxed heros then maybe your opinion will mean something.

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Originally Posted by OnyxDS

So did this ever happen?

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Yes it did happen. We had a very nice visit. Brought a 50/50/20 with max camps for the visit. Dude is without a doubt a solid attacker and seemed very nice in clan. To be fair bringing a pre-cooked army even with newly maxed camps and heroes puts you at a disadvantage as opposed to being able to cook for a base. There were several high 2 star attacks on my multifernos farming bases.

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Originally Posted by RichardF

Yes it did happen. We had a very nice visit. Brought a 50/50/20 with max camps for the visit. Dude is without a doubt a solid attacker and seemed very nice in clan. To be fair bringing a pre-cooked army even with newly maxed camps and heroes puts you at a disadvantage as opposed to being able to cook for a base. There were several high 2 star attacks on my multifernos farming bases.

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Had fun over there man. Appreciate your hospitality. Leveling hogs on that account so I can better three those infernos! Lol.

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Originally Posted by VeeBirds

17% is pretty darn low??

Thank God Supercell ignores this section

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well, there were more attacks over night and seems and looks like the % is dropping. now it's down to a 15% rate and mind you, these are mostly casual bases being hit by casual attacks with 40/40/20 or better king/queen heroes...

i think that's about where it should be when not involving anti 3s and designs meant to prevent 3 stars

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Originally Posted by Ripple1972

I agree with this. And wasn’t saying it has not gotten Easier. SC has reduced the effectiveness of a major defense. I am just not seeing the majority of bases at th 10 or 11 getting 3 starred by the average attacker.
I think making the game somewhat easier at higher levels is a positive for long term success.

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yes yes yes, it's great. makes the game more entertaining and rewarding for casuals while not putting defenses in a completely broken place. Now wars are nail biting, who is going to get that th11 3 star

It is true that max bases with skilled attackers will be a real threat for a 3 on a max base. The calculus is now do you send your TH11 down into the 10s for 3 or save them for a chance at a 3 on a top 11. I think wars are going to be more interesting and much more likely to be decided by the most skilled attackers.