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No one is arguing it is a cooincidence. Clearly offense was buffed. No one has suggested otherwise. Nothing you have said so far has supported what you claim in the title to this thread, though. They didn’t 3 star all of your th11s and you didn’t 3 star all of their th11s. They did do a better job of it than you did, though. We just lost a war for the same reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Praetorian777
They also stopped attacking knowing they won. (They went down with 2 attacks). So in your war we’re maxed bases 3D? My OP said defenses are now useless. Which they are. Any maxed base can be threed with a few attempts. That is stupid. I just hit an almost maxed, original base layout with no scout and got 90% on it with using an account with a level 38 king. That is stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2222 Ringold Street
I’ve seen th11s fail on th10s. Does that mean all th10s cant be threed by th11s? Or does that mean the person had a bad attack/war?
And I have proven my point by now having 2 wars with th11s that have no infernos and no eagle perfect war the other side. They didn’t perfect war us though so I guess that means th11s with no infernos and no eagles aren’t always 3s then? This is an engineers dream patch. For people that leveled their base properly they now get no reward other than a nice 3 star at the end of the war.
Yes, in my war, a max th11 that had never before been 3 starred was 3 starred. However, not all of the th11s were 3 starred, so it was not pointless for us to build defenses. Also, we didn’t 3 star all of the enemy th11s, so again it was not pointless for them to build defenses. In the end, they did a better job at 3 starring than we did, so they won the war. It certainly wasn’t pointless for them to war. In the past the war would have come down to % since we had the same number of max th11s. Now, with increased offense making 3 stars possible, the war comes down to stars also, not just percentage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Praetorian777
I do agree th11s without infernos remain an advantage for war.
Oddly enough, in that war the guy with maxed defenses but no infernos or eagles took 9 attacks to three. Compare that to the 2-3 attacks it took to three everyone else and it’s even a bit more frustrating. Our maxed guys got threed by alternative attacks, so as more people figure out how to use hogs and loons on maxed bases I think you’ll see the percentages of threes go up.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2222 Ringold Street
I have a maxed offense maxed hero th11 with zero defenses that matches up against a th8. It sucks that now he is one of the most valuable players. They should have been trying to eliminate engineering not encouraging it.
Mark my words. If nothing changes in a couple weeks maxed 11a getting threed will be the new norm.
Clan war is a joke now.
I agree with you. Just trying to exploit as much fun as we can with engineered wars. Hoping the challenges keep going, that’s giving some of my guys purpose at least. Until they max that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by JuicemanClash
i'm still not seeing where all this fuss about th11 defenses being pointless...
we faced a clan with NDL or similar league players and they only 3'd half of our 11s (but we had some crappy anti 2s not knowing or expecting their skill)
over the course of the last 3 wars for our defensive stats, we've only had 3 bases get 3 starred out of 27 raids (11%)
as far as our offense goes, we 3 starred 0 against the clan with good bases, 3 of the 6 th11s last war and looking like 3 of the 9 this war....for a whopping combined total of 6 th11 3 stars out of 25 th11 raids (24% rate) over the course of last 3 wars.
seems like a pretty darn low rate of 11 v 11 3 starring to me...especially if the combined total between 3 wars for us on offense/defense is only 17% (9/52 raids)
I was refering to 7 of your bases being big. And your scoring on them IS relevant - almost all your attacks on their big TH11s were 2*, not 3* - that's very relevant to your claim that's it too easy and everything is being 3*ed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Praetorian777
Let's just remind us of your #8:Quote:
Some of your assumptions are incorrect but not relevant to the argument enough to correct. Point being, prior to this war none of our top 9 have been threed. This war 7/9 were threed. That represent a significant imbalance to the game and something that makes defenses no longer valid.
http://twoseven.co.uk/coc/t2/cal8.jpg
You are saying that this base was never 3*ed, despite being in wars where around 30 big TH11 attacks are available? You don't see any problem with the fact that big TH11s can't 3* bases that have TH10 guns?
As to "makes defences no longer valid": of course they are valid. Despite having enormously more attacks than the game is calibrated for, the enemy failed to get a perfect score from you. What has become invalid is the anchor method of engineering where there are a number of max bases at the top, and then a very rapid drop off to TH9 defences - as your top TH10 has - which tends to leave that clan with slightly more max bases than the opponent, and an automatic win. That method of splitting into big defences and largely undefended bases has been heavily nerfed, since the enemy can possibly get 3* on the big bases now.
5/7 bases. Counting the base above as a big TH11 is just undermining your argument.Quote:
We’ve played tons of skilled clans with theses bases and not had any of them threed, but your suggesting that immediately after the patch happens that it’s not a balancing issue when. 7/9 get threed? That doesn’t make any sense.
But, once again, the opponent had around double the normal number of TH11 attacks. Getting 5/7 with twice as many attacks as normal
They weren't too hard for the average player. According to your own statement they were too hard for anyone. You just said NONE of these bases had EVER been 3*ed. And it was true - the 3* rate in strong leagues was laughably low at TH10/11.Quote:
Bottom line is, maxed bases were too hard for the average player so they dumbed it down. Just like many other games do when activity starts to die out.
I suspect SC don't care how broken the game is for heavily engineered clans. They see them as a big problem.Quote:
Since this war we’ve run all engineered bases and gotten perfect wars every time (including the current war). Was that suppose to be the intention of this patch?
Which once again contradicts your opening statements. If every base is easy to 3*, and defence is pointless, how come your guys didn't think it was even worth trying to attack? The reality is your guys didn't attack because they thought there was no way they could possibly achieve a score of 73 - so even with a large number of excess attacks your guys thought it impossible to achieve a high proportion of 3* on the targets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Praetorian777
Obviously it's not coincidence. The whole point of the update was to increase the 3* rate on max bases from around zero, to something higher.Quote:
The point of the threed is how can a clan who’s never had their top 9 threed get 7 of their top 9 threed immediately following a patch. Are you guys really arguing that it’s a coincidence? Obviously defenses are not as relevant as they used to be.
So you are saying a non-max base could defend 8 times, and also saying it's pointless to build defences because every attack will be 3*? Does not compute.Quote:
Originally Posted by Praetorian777
Even before the patch we had troubles with rush enemies. They would have low def but max troops for their skilled attack. There were many instances where we had 1 mid TH11, 1 max TH10 and say 1 max TH9 - and the enemy came with 1 TH11 and 9 very low TH9s. The war was won by them at lower bases, as our more junior TH8 could not 3* all of their TH9s.Quote:
Originally Posted by JuicemanClash
So, your complaint with engineered bases is their defenses are too strong. Interesting approach, docates for originality.Quote:
Originally Posted by radutheodor