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Same system as here: http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ew-super-Vault
So a group effort to build a base.
TH8, Vault DE and Gold equally protected.
Shotcaller: AUZZY
Progress so far
Core:
http://i.imgur.com/JzUooeS.png
Finalized designs:
http://i.imgur.com/uiji3HJ.jpg
Doug's updated version:
http://s13.postimg.org/pldh5kgbn/image.jpg
Piolo's version
http://i.imgur.com/tR85y3u.jpg
DSCAllDay's version
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...-Farming-Vault
I domt know much bout vaults but im intrigued to see how it turns out
So you want to be the shotcaller on a TH8 vault? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by AUZZY
Yes i do :rolleyes:;)Quote:
Originally Posted by OJM
Lol OJM, is it really wise to start a TH8 vault design? No lvl 7 splash to one shot gobs, there is significantly less firepower, and I certainly like to find TH8 vaults in matchmaking. A reliable vault really needs lvl 7 splash and lvl 9+ walls IMHO.
Yes, it is. :) It's fun to design bases and TH8 can make a proper vault already.Quote:
Originally Posted by maynards35
I remember speaking to you once about making a vault base and you advised me that vault bases are only effective with high level defenses and level 9 walls. A vault base with level 8 walls is going to be fish food for the sharks out in the ocean. I don't think this will turn out well but I wish you luck on this project.
Any preferences on the design, or just start with different cores and see where we end up?Quote:
Originally Posted by AUZZY
To make a really solid vault, yes, you need that. But you can make pretty darn good one on Th8 already, just gotta lower the expectations a bit :) TH10 with all maxed out can and will walk all over Th8 of any kind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Veraplay
Bolded awnserQuote:
Originally Posted by OJM
Ok ladies and gentleman, start tossing em cores here :) I'm so out of practise on Th8 so gonna watch and consult on things :cool:
Fair enough, you've always been good with vault bases so this should be interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by OJM
My current vault/labyrinth.
http://i.imgur.com/YUOtrps.jpg
Will churn some cores out tonight and post them tonight probably
I have an accompanying full design for each of these cores, just let me know if you want me to add them in. You can see all the designs on the vault design thread page 2 :)
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/...ps73a3f42b.jpg
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2da971fa.jpg
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/...ps189e9dfc.jpg
i have never make a vault design, but i saw this thread and decided to give it a try, here are some cores i manage to make :)
http://i.imgur.com/JzUooeS.png
http://i.imgur.com/LcL87eS.png
I like this oneQuote:
Originally Posted by saymin
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Originally Posted by saymin
Neat small core. Next is the core defense ring.Quote:
Originally Posted by AUZZY
Cloisters, labyrinth, moat, circle or something we've never seen before :)
Maybe you can reference the wall layout from my base in my sig.Quote:
Originally Posted by OJM
It's a TH9 but I think abitta tweaking can make it TH8.
Would work, yes :) Cloisters are among the most reliable options on core defending.Quote:
Originally Posted by llindvior
Imo, i would cloister the second layer, then labyrinth the third. Make it truly impregnable, as well as messing with the troops minds:)Quote:
Originally Posted by OJM
This is a possible second layer. Staggered junctions, no resource buildings so gobs won't go near it-core wont b attack by gobs without serious help. Also left 4 ats and cannons for the outside-easy to plan with symmetry:)http://i.imgur.com/LuiszSl.jpg
I really like this!Quote:
Originally Posted by Moocow81
Thanks:) ima get started on the outer layer. Labyrinth possibly?Quote:
Originally Posted by thebronzedestroyer
That's a sexy second layer! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Moocow81
Thanks:) labyrinth outer? Thats what im thinkingQuote:
Originally Posted by llindvior
What do you think of the one in my sig?
I'm not quite 100% sure what a vault base is. And why are they so effective?
Its not bad-however auzzy wants to use the core i have built the second layer around. Plus I wanna b more adventurous, maybe go for some labyrinthine outer layer, see if we can rly mess with the attackers mind:)Quote:
Originally Posted by TomRapp
A vault is a base with all ur resources in one compartment, as opposed to a cloister base which increases the risk of losing one storage, but decreases the risk of losing all of them. Classic vaults dont look like v. intelligent bases, but r extemely effective. However the outer layers can b done however u want. Mine is a labyrinth on a classic core+ cloistered second layerQuote:
Originally Posted by kangaroojack
They are effective because they often look easy prey, but rly r not. Also u lose a lot less resources on average because it is so hard to get to even one storage. But if u dont build them well they will b rubbish
Vault is a base made to protect something with all it's got (Th or Gold/dlix) without dividing the stuff to limit the damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by kangaroojack
Most here will argue, that vaults are inferior and they are so easy to open, but I disagree.
Easy loots... Not so much.
http://i.imgur.com/HemFncr.jpg?1
If you follow the linklist from my signature, there you will find many threads and even more designs of the same type.
OJM wot u think of my second layer idea? And would it b a good idea to start on a possible labyrinth outer?
Looks good (and a lot like the one you posted already earlier ;)) . Labyrinth or circle with funneling to outside, but I'm not the one calling the shots here ;) Maybe craft some more options to the core ring also?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moocow81
Just an idea :)
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/...psd9ddf752.jpg
Kind regards,
Rattehh
Ok, OJM can u add to the thread that the core will be the one that I quoted earlier
Added to the first post.Quote:
Originally Posted by AUZZY
Ok, thanks. Now I'm going to work on some 2nd layersQuote:
Originally Posted by OJM
Wot u think of mine? Just a suggestion. http://i.imgur.com/LuiszSl.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by AUZZY
Thanks moo and OJM.
With our core this might be pretty solid, ill check it outQuote:
Originally Posted by Moocow81
Here's some more suggestions - one of which i finished cos i was bored, the rest of them r just second layer ideas
http://i.imgur.com/tVsjXeE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4NMcyqW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EYsTAPv.jpg
I'm really not here to argue, these are some really nice vaults you guys made.
But I can't see nor understand how do you peeps find these bases effective, a mass of Giants --> WBs --> Goblins method would probably succeed from any edge. Correct me if I'm wrong.
these bases are so effective against these troops because they will do a merry go round with all the ♥♥♥♥ in the labyrinth or outer layer before these troops go to center. And by then they will be mowed down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apk2O13
i reallly like these 2, I will work on an outer layer for this,Quote:
Originally Posted by Moocow81
Quote:
Originally Posted by OJM
No way! Your TH10 base held off an attack from TH7 giants? It really must be an awesome base design
;)
I tweaked some of the previous second layer suggestions here:
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1f6913b9.jpg
Each compartment has a separate funnel. However, if you'd like to segment the second layer further, I have a full design using this core and second layer with a labyrinth outer layer with a spare four walls. These 4 walls could be used to fill in the funnels in each second layer compartment.
kind regards,
Rattehh
Looks nice, however the elix storages will attract gobs to that layer of walls, and from there to the core. Also it means its more likely for giants to go for the core instead of running round getting flying lessons, as there aren't as many defenses to distract them from the teslas in the core. Finally it will b easier for wbs to attack the core, as there arent any other side segments to distract them. Just my opinion, OJM wot u think?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rattehh
Couple of moats:
http://i.imgur.com/5xbSpFB.jpg
Spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moocow81
Carry on :)
JIC u havent noticed, but there r only two walls separating the DE from the outside, there were three spells used, and two pekkas and one dragon. So yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by motto
The elixir storages could be replaced with perhaps an AT, cannon and BK?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moocow81
In terms of side segments, you could use a few walls each side to create a double layer, however I think the wb protection is adequate at 6-8
Thanks for your feedback :)
Kind regards,
Rattehh
Hmm... Not sure moats will work as well in TH8, as u need a lot of walls so that mortars, wts ads etc arent on the first layer of buildings, and moats use up quite a lot of our walls:( segmented core is the way to go i thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by OJM
Moats work surprisingly well, though you are correct :) Just thought to share, in case someone wants to try.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moocow81
The good side of the moat, comapred to cloisters/ring full of buildings, is that not a single unit type is interested in what's in the moat - nothing. So the odds of units continuing on the merry-go-around is lot more likely on a moat than any other core defence way :)
Just something to consider ;)
Wot do u mean by this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rattehh
Ill make a moat design right now, c if i can work itQuote:
Originally Posted by OJM
Just implemented the suggestions you made :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Moocow81
Didn't know what to do with the outer layer so I went for a labyrinthy-ish look, but your point about wb's should be okay now that there is an extra segment at each corner :)
Let me know what you think,
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/...psa9e8d2ab.jpg
Rattehh
http://i40.tinypic.com/2gy6hrc.jpg
Here's my idea :)
That's not rly a true vault tho, is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by SPARTENS
I RLY LIKE THIS:) very well done. I would help test it as my own base, even, but i have a policy of only using my own bases and also I am currently testing my own:) one thing i might do is open up the at compartments, and use the walls u get from there to make the funnels smaller on the second layer. But yeah, again, i honestly rly like it. Gobs should ge trapped by the lix storages and blasted by wts/morts and giants should have a fun time runnin over traps. Not sure quite how wbs will react, but the lix compartments should take a few hits as well. I think. If u start using this, pls tell me how it goesQuote:
Originally Posted by Rattehh
Hey thanks for the feedback :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Moocow81
The whole point of the AT segments was to increase the wb expenditure needed to breach the core, opening me would defeat the object of that. Or have I misunderstood you?
kind regards,
Rattehh
Impressive design, kudos :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rattehh
http://i39.tinypic.com/3093u35.jpg
Symmetrical
maximum splash damage coverage
obviously traps aren't finalized yet
Cheers 🍺, just need AUZZY to see it and give us his view. We shall see :)Quote:
Originally Posted by OJM
nice one mate, really good work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rattehh
not sure if i understood well but if u need some tester with average defence tell me!Quote:
Originally Posted by OJM
I dont know what you are trying to do neither do I see a point with it, you will get 1000 suggestions and all will be the same/different. There is no perfect setup, if there was the game would be unbalanced. Always a weakness. I will do you a favour and tell you how to crush this project when its done. ;);)
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Originally Posted by Theriddler93
As you said there are no perfect setups, but there are layouts that are better than others, so we are not trying to make a perfect base but making one that will minimize the amount of gold and DE lost when getting raided.
and as for your way of crushing this base, i will be glad to read it and laugh a bit :)
Wow! nice design!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rattehh
But they will still absorb wb hits from the other side, making it okQuote:
Originally Posted by Rattehh
Rly want to test it out but where to put the trap effectively ?
I'll post a picture of the base currently being tested complete with trap placements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turkdelta
Note: the trap placements may not be the best, but we shall see :)
EDIT:
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2b16ad39.jpg
Just saw this thread. AWESOME work guys! Love the core especially. I will test out Ratteh's design and then post some defense logs in a few days.
I will try it out and we shall see the result xD
Nearly maxed th8. Ill test some of these out and share results
Not sure if a moat will work. The wizard towers and teslas don't have enough range to be useful unless the core is breached.
With the selected core, moat is really not an optimal solution, just like Oniro said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onirocdarb
Just made my first attempt.
Clan name: Immortal Tech.
In game name: Nick
Hoping to see your input.
http://i.imgur.com/3qjTcx1.jpg?1Quote:
Originally Posted by Tagist
The core and the middle clusters look good. Not a fan of the outer layerQuote:
Originally Posted by Tagist
I don't have any experiences with labyrinths, but it looks confusing so i guess thats goodQuote:
Originally Posted by Thisdugan
Where do we go from here?
Are we awaiting AUZZY's approval of a second layer or are we moving on to the outer layer?
Just wanted to clarify so I know when to start 'a thinkin! :)
I think spitballin' all kinds of ideas, even weird ones, is always worth it :) Even though one core was picked, doesn't mean you can't use some other core and invent a whole new kind of design. Maybe this is a neverending project ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rattehh
I see :)Quote:
Originally Posted by OJM
I have a vault variation of my own cloistered design from aaaaages (months) ago. Might throw it up here :)
Here it is :)
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/...pseb887919.jpg
I think we still need someone to make a good labyrinth outer. I have no experience with them, but ill try to refine the second layerQuote:
Originally Posted by OJM
Was just three stared by lvl 6 archers and barbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onirocdarb
http://i43.tinypic.com/24qjx3r.jpg
Here's what came up with, what do you think? The spring traps will teach giants to fly :)
Nice work RattehQuote:
Originally Posted by Rattehh
Well here i have a nice simple base. Easy to get monies etc. or is it? Replays will tell. Also OJM wot u think? This is my response to ur moat comment earlier
http://i.imgur.com/8j41m4U.jpg
Yep, very effective moat design. Normal farming armies got a world of hurt waiting for them there :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Moocow81
The Thread is progressing nicely :)
Thanx:) i almost want to be attacked atm, to see if it will work lolQuote:
Originally Posted by OJM
Bump. Any feedback? 2 very good defences so farQuote:
Originally Posted by SPARTENS
Looking good :) cloister ring and running circle, classic.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPARTENS
Thx ;) im hooked on vaults now. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by OJM
These designs are looking good!Quote:
Originally Posted by SPARTENS
Exactly wot im goin thro right now:) at one point i used to think that anyone who built a vault was a noob:) now i know it takes a LOT more skill than i thought to build a successful vault, more even than a cloister baseQuote:
Originally Posted by SPARTENS
Completely agree. This is exactly what I have been thinking haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moocow81
U got any advice/criticism for my moat base? On page 9 i thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by TomRapp
HAHAHA nice :D was it a noob attack, or was it the supreme skill of the base designer that stopped it being a good attack? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Rattehh