Duplicate account

Hi all...

I know this will probably never happen but I've always been told, if you don't ask, you don't get.

I wonder if SC would consider allowing us a duplicate of our account to use solely in wars.

So say you are a max th10, you can "duplicate" this account which will always have the exact same troop levels and defences as your normal base. So you have 2 max TH10 accounts to take into war instead of one.

This duplicate account can only be used in wars/FC's and is subject to all the same rules.
You cannot raid in multiplayer or gain trophies with it or anything... no achievements except war stars, no donations, just war attacks.
You can build a different war base for this "duplicate" account for war but nothing else.

The only way your duplicate account gains strength is when you original account upgrades something, gaining strength. (Edit: your duplicate account uses your main account resources to build armies for use in war).

There are several reasons why I think this would improve the game.

1. Your clan can run bigger wars and balance their rosters more effectively. This will help newer clans who can't accumulate enough loyal members or have issues with people not using war attacks.

2. The number of clans warring will increase because there will be more accounts to use in wars. (For example, a clan with 50 members could easily start another clan and run the same sized wars with members split between them).

3. Clans will do better overall and wars will be closer because those players in your clan who are good/great attackers can have more of an impact with 4 attacks each.

4. You can cover for yourself if you have a nightmare attack... nothing worse than being the top player in a war and messing up on base 1 or 2 with no one being able to cover. (This would help me somewhat!).

5. You can talk to yourself in chat if you're bored :-)

6. You can friendly challenge your own bases with your own army strength.

7. Double the fun in wars.


The above are just a few things I can think of that would benefit the game, IMHO.

There are sure to be cons to the pros such as the fact the feature kind of already exists in that you can make an new account and push this up to match your existing one.

Not sure if it would be open to exploitation from the cheaters?

Would it require significant additional server capacity?


I guess there may be lots of downsides but I can't see them right now.

What do you forumers think?

Not a good idea according to me 👎

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Originally Posted by Rushabhshah999

Not a good idea according to me ��

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Care to elaborate on why?

So instead of facing 2 defenseless TH11 in the middle of the war roster you will have 4 defenseless TH11s. Instead of having one base opted out for war you will have 2 bases opted out due to hero upgrades. If these war bases cannot donate, does it count when you donate to them?

The demand for new recruits will decrease since you can simply create a 25 person clan and not have to get new people.

You can also develop a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc. account now and do the exact same thing that you described. By doing so, there is a potential for more gem purchases for SC. Having the game create a duplicate account reduces the potential revenue for SC.

With tbe current mm issues your idea would just be doubling the pain

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Originally Posted by Gorbash098

So instead of facing 2 defenseless TH11 in the middle of the war roster you will have 4 defenseless TH11s. Instead of having one base opted out for war you will have 2 bases opted out due to hero upgrades. If these war bases cannot donate, does it count when you donate to them?

The demand for new recruits will decrease since you can simply create a 25 person clan and not have to get new people.

You can also develop a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc. account now and do the exact same thing that you described. By doing so, there is a potential for more gem purchases for SC. Having the game create a duplicate account reduces the potential revenue for SC.

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Lot of points made there - thanks for the reply - see below - my attempt to answer.

If you are getting defenceless TH11's in the middle of your opponents war roster, I don't know what to say.
But if you would normally face two and have to face four, then you would also have two more other bases for those defenceless accounts to attack. So nothing would change there. You would still be matched as close as the MMA can on offence and defence, overall.

If you opt out for hero upgrades, you duplicate is also opted out. Where is the difference from now?

I guess it would count if you donated to them for war.

The demand for new recruits will always be there... people quit or move to different clans... there'd just be more clans to move to and from.

Nothing wrong with building minis... but you must surely see how this would help the more casual players?

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Originally Posted by Mrlk

With tbe current mm issues your idea would just be doubling the pain

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Why Mrlk?

Example... you have 2 th11's, 4 th10's and 7 th9's that are green for war. The rest of your greens are th6 and th7 fillers (usually minis).
If you put those mini's in, you are roster engineering in the eyes of the MMA so you'd probably get a lopsided match.

With being able to duplicate your base, you can do so with 2 th9 accounts or 2 th10 accounts or 1 th11 and 1 th10 account allowing you to run with a tight TH spread and lessen the chance of a lopsided match.

This makes sense to me.

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Originally Posted by TheLandofNod

Lot of points made there - thanks for the reply - see below - my attempt to answer.

If you are getting defenceless TH11's in the middle of your opponents war roster, I don't know what to say.
But if you would normally face two and have to face four, then you would also have two more other bases for those defenceless accounts to attack. So nothing would change there. You would still be matched as close as the MMA can on offence and defence, overall.

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Yes there is a huge difference between facing 2 defenseless TH11s vs 4 defenseless TH11s. That would an additional 4 hits using maxed out troops vs 4 hits of non-maxed out troops. This means that there are 4 more chances for the defenseless TH11 to hit the top bases while the less than maxed troops will not have a chance against TH11s.

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Originally Posted by TheLandofNod

If you opt out for hero upgrades, you duplicate is also opted out. Where is the difference from now?

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The difference is 1 base opted out vs 2 bases opted out. Where as if you have 2 accounts that is separate from each other you can choose to opt one out while the other is opted in.

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Originally Posted by TheLandofNod

The demand for new recruits will always be there... people quit or move to different clans... there'd just be more clans to move to and from.

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If I have a 30 person clan and everyone has a duplicate then I can have 25 of them opted out and still go to war. If I have 25 of them opted in then I can have a 50 v 50 war. Why would I put in more effort in recuiting more members if I have more than enough to keep my clan in war? Recruiting just for the sake of recruiting is one thing but the necessity of it will be greatly reduced because there is no immediate need for it in war. After all the duplicate base is only used in war.

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Originally Posted by TheLandofNod

Nothing wrong with building minis... but you must surely see how this would help the more casual players?

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I actually don't, which is why I am responding with points against it. I am not sure if this will actually help casual players, they are casual for a reason. I do not think that giving them more bases will make them play more.

Double the bases to donate to, Double the war bases to fill= more raiding for elixir and DE. More work for the casual player.

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Originally Posted by Gorbash098

Yes there is a huge difference between facing 2 defenseless TH11s vs 4 defenseless TH11s. That would an additional 4 hits using maxed out troops vs 4 hits of non-maxed out troops. This means that there are 4 more chances for the defenseless TH11 to hit the top bases while the less than maxed troops will not have a chance against TH11s.

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Sorry but you wouldn't... how could you match 2 more defenceless accounts with the same offence/defence weighting in your roster... remember, your bases are balanced so would an engineered clan to squeeze so many lopsided bases in against you?
Just because an engineer can duplicate their TH11 bases doesn't mean they can manage their roster to get them in against the same roster of the opponent.
I cannot say for sure because it would require testing.

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Originally Posted by Gorbash098

The difference is 1 base opted out vs 2 bases opted out. Where as if you have 2 accounts that is separate from each other you can choose to opt one out while the other is opted in.

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I can't follow this logic either. As it stands now, you have one base. If you opt out, you are missing one base - one player.
If you have a duplicate base in a new system, you are still only opting one player out.
You don't have to put both your base and the duplicate in.

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Originally Posted by Gorbash098

If I have a 30 person clan and everyone has a duplicate then I can have 25 of them opted out and still go to war. If I have 25 of them opted in then I can have a 50 v 50 war. Why would I put in more effort in recuiting more members if I have more than enough to keep my clan in war? Recruiting just for the sake of recruiting is one thing but the necessity of it will be greatly reduced because there is no immediate need for it in war. After all the duplicate base is only used in war.

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Would the bit in bold not help your clan?
Also, what if your clan has 14 members and 6 are out for hero upgrades. Can't manage to recruit those extra few players... you don't war. There are a lot of clans like this. Duplicates would help them.
That smaller clan would always need to recruit.
And if you have an established clan, you still should recruit because there are always better players out there.

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Originally Posted by Gorbash098

I actually don't, which is why I am responding with points against it. I am not sure if this will actually help casual players, they are casual for a reason. I do not think that giving them more bases will make them play more.

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I am not saying it would make them play more - but a casual player in a casual clan may find benefit in having a duplicate account.

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Originally Posted by Tollboothwillie

Double the bases to donate to, Double the war bases to fill= more raiding for elixir and DE. More work for the casual player.

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Be honest, war bases don't cost too much to fill, once every two days.
I can raid more than enough de and elixir in one attack to fill a 20v war. I'm sure a lot of others can and do.

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Originally Posted by Gorbash098

Yes there is a huge difference between facing 2 defenseless TH11s vs 4 defenseless TH11s. That would an additional 4 hits using maxed out troops vs 4 hits of non-maxed out troops. This means that there are 4 more chances for the defenseless TH11 to hit the top bases while the less than maxed troops will not have a chance against TH11s.

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Sorry but you wouldn't... how could you match 2 more defenceless accounts with the same offence/defence weighting in your roster... remember, your bases are balanced so would only allow an engineered clan to squeeze so many lopsided bases in.
Just because an engineer can duplicate two TH11 defenceless bases, doesn't mean they can manage their roster to get them in against the same roster of the opponent.
I cannot say for sure because it would require testing.

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Originally Posted by Gorbash098

The difference is 1 base opted out vs 2 bases opted out. Where as if you have 2 accounts that is separate from each other you can choose to opt one out while the other is opted in.

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I can't follow this logic either. As it stands now, you have one base. If you opt out, you are missing one base - one player.
If you have a duplicate base in a new system, you are still only opting one player out.
You don't have to put both your base and the duplicate in.

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Originally Posted by Gorbash098

If I have a 30 person clan and everyone has a duplicate then I can have 25 of them opted out and still go to war. If I have 25 of them opted in then I can have a 50 v 50 war. Why would I put in more effort in recuiting more members if I have more than enough to keep my clan in war? Recruiting just for the sake of recruiting is one thing but the necessity of it will be greatly reduced because there is no immediate need for it in war. After all the duplicate base is only used in war.

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Would the bit in bold not help your clan?
Also, what if your clan has 14 members and 6 are out for hero upgrades. Can't manage to recruit those extra few players... you don't war. There are a lot of clans like this. Duplicates would help them.
That smaller clan would always need to recruit.
And if you have an established clan, you still should recruit because there are always better players out there.

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Originally Posted by Gorbash098

I actually don't, which is why I am responding with points against it. I am not sure if this will actually help casual players, they are casual for a reason. I do not think that giving them more bases will make them play more.

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I am not saying it would make them play more - but a casual player in a casual clan may find benefit in having a duplicate account. (Edit: Especially if they don't have the time to build a mini but like attacking in wars).

I don't have a problem with the concept behind the idea. Extra bases in your clan for war. Good stuff if you can manage it

But I have a few problems with its practicality

I don't understand the matchmaker well enough to weigh in on whether or not this would cause bigger problems with duplicated engineered bases. But I will say that allowing an engineer to have two engineered bases while only putting in the effort for one base is a little disheartening. The more blood, sweat and tears they have to put in those bases, the better, IMO

What I don't like is that this idea would invalidate a lot of the work people have put into creating alternate accounts, specifically for war. This idea feels like you really want to have an alternate account, but you don't really want to put the work in.

I also don't really think this solves as many problems as you list in your OP:

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Originally Posted by TheLandofNod

1. Your clan can run bigger wars and balance their rosters more effectively. This will help newer clans who can't accumulate enough loyal members or have issues with people not using war attacks.

This idea would certainly help here

2. The number of clans warring will increase because there will be more accounts to use in wars. (For example, a clan with 50 members could easily start another clan and run the same sized wars with members split between them).

Right, but why would you want to divide your community? I understand sister clans. Communities of clans with over 50 members have to split off, but this effectively reduces clan size to 25. I have 43 people in my clan. Some are alts, but pretend they aren't. We all get along pretty well and we like to chat with one another. But if we want to use these duplicate accounts, I have to tell 20 of my guys to take a hike and start a new clan. If we don't, then we lose out on the benefits and opportunities you've listed

3. Clans will do better overall and wars will be closer because those players in your clan who are good/great attackers can have more of an impact with 4 attacks each.

Yes, but they theoretically have to hit twice as many challenging bases. And you have to defend against twice as many attacks. I feel like this comes out as a wash

4. You can cover for yourself if you have a nightmare attack... nothing worse than being the top player in a war and messing up on base 1 or 2 with no one being able to cover. (This would help me somewhat!).

Right, but again, you'd have to assume 1 and 2 would be duplicated, so you'd have to be successful on 1, 2, 3 AND 4. Twice as many opportunities to screw up and leave unwinnable stars

5. You can talk to yourself in chat if you're bored :-)

I do this already, much to my clan mates' amusement when they log on :smirk:

6. You can friendly challenge your own bases with your own army strength.

This is a feature I'd like to see on its own and not convoluted with an idea that I don't feel helps with a whole lot

7. Double the fun in wars.

This point is debatable, as demonstrated in a few previous points

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Originally Posted by Tiler

I don't have a problem with the concept behind the idea. Extra bases in your clan for war. Good stuff if you can manage it

But I have a few problems with its practicality

I don't understand the matchmaker well enough to weigh in on whether or not this would cause bigger problems with duplicated engineered bases. But I will say that allowing an engineer to have two engineered bases while only putting in the effort for one base is a little disheartening. The more blood, sweat and tears they have to put in those bases, the better, IMO

What I don't like is that this idea would invalidate a lot of the work people have put into creating alternate accounts, specifically for war. This idea feels like you really want to have an alternate account, but you don't really want to put the work in.

I also don't really think this solves as many problems as you list in your OP:

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Thanks for a decent reply Tiler.
You make valid points and the more I look at it, the more issues it would probably create.

I have an alt - he's a max 9 save heroes so that was not my reasoning behind the idea but I see your point.
Its the roster balance where my clan struggles.
Its difficult to balance our roster if say 3/4's of our 9's are out upgrading heroes or all our 10's are sat out for what ever reason.
Having a duplicate account for each of us to use would allow us to balance our roster, avoiding, for the most part, heavily lopsided clans as opponents.

Considering the other replies this thread has had, I think it perhaps best to let this one fade away...

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Originally Posted by TheLandofNod

Sorry but you wouldn't... how could you match 2 more defenceless accounts with the same offence/defence weighting in your roster... remember, your bases are balanced so would an engineered clan to squeeze so many lopsided bases in against you?
Just because an engineer can duplicate their TH11 bases doesn't mean they can manage their roster to get them in against the same roster of the opponent.
I cannot say for sure because it would require testing.

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This is exactly what engineered clans are doing right at this moment. The more defenseless TH11s they have the more they are in favor of winning due to the fact that they would have better offense. These are maxed level offense in the middle of the roster that can take out the top of the roster. Meanwhile, the opponent's roster have less than maxed level offenses (possibly a TH or 2 below) in the middle of the roster that has no way of taking out the top bases.

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Originally Posted by TheLandofNod

I can't follow this logic either. As it stands now, you have one base. If you opt out, you are missing one base - one player.
If you have a duplicate base in a new system, you are still only opting one player out.
You don't have to put both your base and the duplicate in.

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I really do not know how else to explain any further that having 2 less bases for war is worst than having 1 less base. Imagine having 2 players in your clan equally good with identical bases. Is it better for only one of them to be opted out or both?

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Originally Posted by TheLandofNod

Would the bit in bold not help your clan?
Also, what if your clan has 14 members and 6 are out for hero upgrades. Can't manage to recruit those extra few players... you don't war. There are a lot of clans like this. Duplicates would help them.
That smaller clan would always need to recruit.
And if you have an established clan, you still should recruit because there are always better players out there.

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My response was in the context of recruiting new players and your response is actually proving my point that the need to recruit more players will be greatly reduced because the duplicate bases fills the need for new players.

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Originally Posted by TheLandofNod

I am not saying it would make them play more - but a casual player in a casual clan may find benefit in having a duplicate account.

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The benefit of having duplicate accounts is only applied during war and that is the point of contention. I see the downsides of this proposition out weighing the upsides.

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Originally Posted by Gorbash098

This is exactly what engineered clans are doing right at this moment. The more defenseless TH11s they have the more they are in favor of winning due to the fact that they would have better offense. These are maxed level offense in the middle of the roster that can take out the top of the roster. Meanwhile, the opponent's roster have less than maxed level offenses (possibly a TH or 2 below) in the middle of the roster that has no way of taking out the top bases.

Ref. bit in bold above - How can max offence defenceless bases be in the middle of an enemy roster? What does your clan that is facing these have? Roster engineered TH3 stacking the bottom of the deck?
In a TH9 to Th11 war roster, the only way those bases with max TH11 offence can sit in the middle of a roster is if they are 9.11's.
What I am saying is that if the enemy clan has 4 max offence 11s, minimax's or defenceless or whatever, the opposing clan gains offence and defence elsewhere. Whether the enemy has 2 or 4 or 6 of these in their roster depends on their line-up.
The only thing the duplicate notion gives the engineers is another account they don't have to make. It won't increase the amount of these accounts they can put into their roster without adding opponent offence and/or defence.


I really do not know how else to explain any further that having 2 less bases for war is worst than having 1 less base. Imagine having 2 players in your clan equally good with identical bases. Is it better for only one of them to be opted out or both?

Lets say you have a 20 man clan, running 20 man wars... if one person sits out, you are forced to run 15v.
With duplicate accounts, one of your other greens can put their duplicate in so you are still running a 20v or upwards if you wish.
If you have twice the bases to field, its much, much easy to manage a roster then if you only have half that amount.

My response was in the context of recruiting new players and your response is actually proving my point that the need to recruit more players will be greatly reduced because the duplicate bases fills the need for new players.

Still standing by the fact that recruiting should continue either way. If you don't recruit, your clan may stagnate. If you have too many members for one clan, start another. You can even friendly war each other.


The benefit of having duplicate accounts is only applied during war and that is the point of contention. I see the downsides of this proposition out weighing the upsides.

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I have already stated in a post above that I think, due to yours and other's replies, I believe its better to let this thread just fade away.

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Originally Posted by TheLandofNod

I have already stated in a post above that I think, due to yours and other's replies, I believe its better to let this thread just fade away.

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