Next needed change to speed up new players - Hero upgrade time

I honestly do not see a problem with upgrading your hero's, its a grind, they already made it cheaper time and cheaper to do some levels, If your clan doesn't allow you to war when you have a hero or two down, then find a new clan, in my clan, people war with 1 or 2 hero's down all the time, they just attack a lot lower, and clean up the bases at the bottom where someone messes up , or just were too strong. the big thing I spent gems on in my experience, is the hero time, to get them for war, and just to loot with them when they had a day or two left, or when I got the DE, I would gem the end so I could get to the next level, its too much revenue they lose

Adding new content to the lower TH is a domino that would effect ALL TH's, I don't think it is a good idea

SC lowered the costs and times of everything in order to speed up time to get to 10, but it not applying to heroes is the right call. They are far too impactful to make leveling them easier. The fact they are only down for 7 days per upgrade helps players anyway. Imagine if like everything else, they had 14 day timers?

Getting dark elixer is dead easy if you try. What really stinks is that heroes are unusable in war while upgrading. *that* should change.

You have a minimum of 30 weeks of upgrade time after level 15. Most people are not going to have an airlock overlap of upgrade time between king/queen so really they will have something like 45-60 weeks that a hero is not available for war. Most clans do not want you in war with a hero down (especially queen). So you have to sit out over a year of what was billed as the ultimate end game?

It's a huge money maker for them because gem completing heroes has to be the #1 revenue generator, so I doubt this ever changes. But if the heroes where usable in war while upgrading that would ease the pain of upgrading them considerably

how about your war stars?

That's how clash of clans works, if you don't like it you don't have to play it, if you want to progress faster there are other alternatives, I play another game where 92 is half way to 99 and people always cry about the long grind there too, but thats how the games work, making the games easier for the casuals is always a bad idea and end killing the game.

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Originally Posted by pb913

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1. TH8 - should get an AQ to atleast L5 and BK 15. At Th8 it is fairly easy to get and keep DE. I know I was mid TH8 by the time I had a max L10 BK.

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Disagree to that point !! AQ is the unique item of Townhall 9 !! And not only that TH8 is so much balanced, it don't really need any more modification !! (Some increase level of BK is somewhat acceptable)

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Originally Posted by pb913

So far SC has done a few things to help newbies get to the end game faster. .

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I do not think that it is in any game studio's interest to get people to the end of the game faster.

Hero's are provided at certain th level with uneven th levels.

Th7 King, th9 Aq, th11 Warden. Any changes to level will just make this worse. Th8 getting aq and Th10 getting Warden.
Th9 is a place where you'll get to know what is patience, coz thats where you see many different strategies, no more dragons, trying lavaloon. Getting used to Xbow,
So it takes time to master it. So does the defensive buildings.. and so does the Royals.(perfect grind is never boring)
And SC has already done helpful and needy to newbies by decreasing the upgrade cost.
Anything other than that, would make those lower level less interesting.

I believe the reduced costs and times are a second order effect from the addition of higher level troops/walls/defenses and SC not wanting to increase storage levels. If an object is maxed in cost but they want to add an additional level without the ripple effect of going over 10M gold/ex or 200k de, it is easier to lower the costs/time of lower levels and keep the max level at max cost.

i do not see any of the previous introductions of lower costs/times in anyway being designed to aid lower players, as much as the outcome may be to assist them.

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Originally Posted by pb913

So far SC has done a few things to help newbies get to the end game faster. For example they lowered the price of walls, they have been lowering the time and price of defenses, and they have moved some defenses to lower levels.

There is still 1 item they really need to adjust that they have not.....Heros. This is the biggest pain point for a TH9. The lack of DE and the length of time forces many people to jump to TH10 with low heros...there by creating post with people complaining that TH10 and TH11 is too hard.

What needs to change.

1. TH8 - should get an AQ to atleast L5 and BK 15. At Th8 it is fairly easy to get and keep DE. I know I was mid TH8 by the time I had a max L10 BK.

2. They need to adjust it so that hero upgrades are ONLY 7 days once you REACH L30. The current level is 7 day starting at L15....so L15-45 are all 7 days. that's 30 levels!!!! or 210 days assuming you have DE to keep them down. If you alternate heros.... 400+ days....of just hero upgrades and nothing else. (Yes I have had my main for more than 3.5 yrs so I had to do the grind....but for my second account is seems way way way way worse...my mini is TH9 with L10 heros right now...I'm not sure I want to do the grind again).

3. Allow Hero's in War. Granted I know this will always be denied (need people to buy gems)...but easily the favorite feature of COC is clan war. Which by nature of matchups means you are not able to war anytime you have a hero down. So the majority of the time you are in TH9 you are unable to war due to the fact that you have sooooo many Hero levels to upgrade.

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1. No .. BK 10 is more than enough power to completely crush other TH8s

2. No .. there is a good chunk of money to be made from keeping people interested in the game for 3-4 years .. There is a mental "point of no return" around mid TH8, where you have invested so much time in the game that you "might as well continue" .. SuperCell has this down to a science.the

3. Why should upgrading heroes be allowed in war? Why not allow them for pushing and farming too? Why give Clan Wars this special treatment and not other aspects of the game? Besides .. people "gem" the hero upgrade time, to participate in war .. A LOT of people do that, so it's NOT a wise business decision to allow them in war or any other place, while they are upgrading.. always leave them wanting more.

Clash of Clans is a well thought out game, but not in the ways people commonly believe. "The Grind", the "sense of achievement", it's all part of a well oiled machine that is in part build by Developers .. and in part by a deep knowledge about human nature and the need to build and fight .. Clash of Clans is a part of a very recent breed of very long term games.. and there is absolutely no reason to shorten the amount of time the game owner has a chance to get money out of the players.

Super Cell is a business, not a charity doing a public service. The longer they keep you mildly interested, the better..

/Affront