The effects of troop AI changes

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Originally Posted by Holps

My issue with the AI is the Queen seems to now ignore a wall being breached as she walks. It is as though she has picked her route to the 5th building and sticks to it no matter what. I'll have to test her reaction if I breach the walls BEFORE she is deployed. Not ideal as any QW lover will know, even with decent funnelling, she will not always walk towards the bone you throw and will often chase a squirrel. I'll try and bully Onyx and Skrags and get them to test it for me

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Tested. She still doesn't go in unless you take 3 wizards to kill off one of the buildings along the inside of the wall before she starts moving into firing position.

The problem with that is the queen has longer range, so you have to deploy wizards further away and the defenses there aren't tanked, so you need more wizards to one shot the building before they all die, or use a giant to tank and less wizards to blow the building, name your pick, though this is a lot of wasted troop housing to get her to go where you want if you ask me, and that's provided the wizard drop location isn't trapped.

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Originally Posted by Darian[Supercell]

Clarification - the unit on one side of the wall now considers 5 targets on the other side of that wall.

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Looks like the change has made it so troops will stay on the outside of the wall. Funneling was hard before the change. Now its impossible. I don't think the AI change is working as they intended. Unless you want most attacks to end in a 0 or 1 star.

Please- just change it back to how it was

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Originally Posted by Darian[Supercell]

I apologize for the lack of response on this thread. Been traversing across China so I've been largely away from the dev team. Lach and Holps have been spearheading gathering information regarding this and I felt it merited an official response to what was changed in the AI in the last update.

Previously, when a troop/unit tried to target something from the side of the wall they were on, they would look at the 3 closest buildings to target. Now they consider 5. It’s important to note that being on one side of the wall is the key point. When a unit is on one side of a wall, we made the unit target selection consider more buildings and attack positions when determining the place to attack.

This is why it seems the AI has been functioning differently that before; it's because of this new targeting consideration.

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Isn't better to search the 5 nearest shooting spot (not the building, but the point of shooting those 5 building)?

Lots of stranges behaviour came from this exact decision. This building is the nearest, but the shooting spot is the farder and the queen (sometimes) go beyond another of the 5 building.

For exemple, go see this video at 10:15: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvbywTKJIcI

OK, now we have some details as to exactly how they screwed up the AI. Probably all we're going to get.

Some things look great on paper but doesn’t work in reality - I think this is one of those things

Why are troops even considering 5 targets??? Or even 3 before the "improvement"??? There should be only 1 rule of selecting targets! Attack the frikin closest one!

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Originally Posted by unique83

Why are troops even considering 5 targets??? Or even 3 before the "improvement"??? There should be only 1 rule of selecting targets! Attack the frikin closest one!

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Or or at least prioritize the defense building trying to kill them off....

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Originally Posted by unique83

Why are troops even considering 5 targets??? Or even 3 before the "improvement"??? There should be only 1 rule of selecting targets! Attack the frikin closest one!

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And wallbreakers should hit the nearest wall segment of a closed compartment containing a building. That's all the artificial "intelligence" they need. Making them spread, making them open the back end of a compartment that's right in front of them is a horrible mechanic.

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Originally Posted by unique83

Why are troops even considering 5 targets??? Or even 3 before the "improvement"??? There should be only 1 rule of selecting targets! Attack the frikin closest one!

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I kinda agree with this. The military was fond of the acronym KISS (keep it simple stupid). I have to imagine this is a good time to reflect on that. You can't go expecting a machine to make proper choices consistently, so keep the AI basic so players understand. Then we can make the choices with placement. I get some AI changes are great, the one to fix WB blowing up single wall blocks in the lawn was a good necessary change. But to let my AQ have a choice between 5 buildings is a recipe for disaster. She struggles enough with the basics at times and I'm afraid doesn't have the mental capacity to take on more. I have zero gaming experience but it seems with clash, the more improvements get made, the less polished the game becomes. Is that common among older games with lots of tweaks?