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Originally Posted by TankSinatra
The target isnt the wall, golem are no wallbreakers, target is the wizard tower. To get to it, the golem has to destroy the wall. After the jump it should realize the wall is gone and use it to get to the wt, instead it goes to the mortar far out.
Following your logic, the golem should have never used the wt as target, neither wt position nor mortar position has been changed.
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People in my clan have also been complaining about the latest troop AI changes.
I myself have seen:
Wallbreakers even worse, I can drop 6 wallbreakers at exactly the same spot and they spray out to attack different wall segments. It's ridiculous. This morning I was trying to get my queenwalk into the base and there were no defences near the walls to even target the wallbreakers. I had 6 of them and dropped 3 at a time to open (lava) walls. All 3 went to different spots. So I thought, OK I have 3 more, lets try this again. Drop the rest and they all went to different walls again. I didnt even manage to open up the walls. Then the queen decides instead of trying to open the wall she's going to circle the outside of the base (with no trash buildings outside the walls to lure her) This is insane.
Queenwalk: When I DO manage to open up the outside wall RIGHT NEXT TO THE QUEEN, she decides to ignore this handy opening and take a stroll around the base, letting air defences take her healers down. Really?
Bowlers: I have now seen my groups of bowlers split more than 10 times. When they get into the base, one half will decide they don't like the other half and just exit the base again, and go after a gold mine many more tiles away than the nearest building they were at.
My clanmates are complaining about this too, so it's not just me. What the heck do we do?? No communication on this from SC so we have nothing to help us. I understand they believe they 'improved the AI' by increasing sight ranges apparently, but all this has done is turn troops into maniacs and make things even more 'random'. Soon, skill in this game will be gone and all you need is luck. I already see the exact same attacks on max TH11 bases get 0 stars and 3 stars simultanously with the person doing precisely the same thing in each case, on the same base. It's almost just chance nowadays. This troop AI problem makes it worse.
Supercell will only address this, however, if they start to see a significant decrease in sales. As someone else pointed out in this thread already, expect no communication from SC on this, and in 6 months time, an attempt at a fix will be silently implemented which will make things worse. (This is their modus operandus for the last 5 years.) Eventually we will have to just adapt and move on with this wonky AI, it seems. Boy, I'm getting so tired of this. But, we are just a few people on their official forum, telling them somethings wrong. Their barometer is that daily income, is it dipping? no? Ok then, back to working on Builder hall 9 guys!
The lack of communication is really the main grievance as far as I'm concerned. What is so hard about saying, 'Yes, we changed troop AI and this is the new set of rules', 'Oops, something went wrong and we are looking into it' or 'Guess what, we decided to beta test in production and you are the testers...all feedback is welcome'. Any of these would be acceptable answers as opposed to...nothing at all....♥♥ hum...nice weather isn't it boys? What is so hard to understand about this?
If this is an intentional change then the intended change should be explained. Game rules don't change in any game mid game leaving the players guessing what the new rules are. It's ridiculous. These are not small tweaks but a major change to troop behaviour that shouldn't be left to the players to figure out trial and error style.
I can't look again, linky no worky. After my post I realized you're right, gol does keep ultimate target in mind while swinging at a wall. You can see this in action if there's only one defense in the compartment and aq nicks it, gol retargets (possibly a different wall).Quote:
Originally Posted by KaltmacherQN
Here's where you might be off base. The wall isn't gone, its just jumpable. Golem won't stand on top of a wall even under jump, that makes distances deceptive.Quote:
Originally Posted by KaltmacherQN
We're trying to figure out SCs logic, not mine. Under SC rules you upgrade a bomb by hitting it with a hammer.Quote:
Originally Posted by KaltmacherQN
Note that different targets were selected by the golem, but from different starting points. At the drop, gol goes towards the wt & hits wall. Once he's there and jump triggers a retarget, its quite possible to target something that it wouldn't target from the drop point.
Again, link's broken so I can't rewatch. Going off memory which is always chancy.
I'm also not trying to argue AI is the same, or AI is good. WB change is particularly dumb, tank sight radius increase is a problem too.
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Originally Posted by xc3ss1v30n3
Beleave what you like you do not no my clan made me giggle at your silly comment.You are welcome to come to my clan and see for yourself.
And yes lack communication
Not only this fragment, but all your post is absolutelly right. You said and detailed what i feel and would like to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rephren
Congratulations, you nailed it.
Almost exactly mine and my clan mates experiences recently... the bit in bold happened to me, yet again today... so frustrating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rephren
Granted, there were issues with the AI before but it was manageable... now though, it's so random sometimes, you might as well just cook up a mass army of something, drop everything, randomly drop spells and go make a brew... Come back and see if you've 0 starred or maybe something better.
Like others have said - SC will do what they want to do regarding AI... whether there are motives behind the changes or not, it makes no difference... I love this game and it will be a sad day when I can no longer endure the AI or other issues within the game such as clouds, engineering, etc.
It's easy to view the community manager's posts and profile and see that he is too busy being hilarious ajd trying to fit in. He will not answer any of these questions. We need to hear more about his star wars viewing, him trolling his wife, so,ething about stepson and reading books. Too busy to manage community...Quote:
Originally Posted by MrrMokum
One of the first questions asked in the q&a was about builder base video. He responded bybplaying dumb, like there are no issues with builder base AI and asked OP to please provide more details so he could understand it better. Question never got selected and remains unanswered.
So i doubt that our community manager will give this thread (multiple merged threads, actually. Kudos to whomever is merging them:thumbsup:) more than a quick look, determine that there is nothing hilarious for him to contribute here, and move on.
It's easy to view the community manager's posts and profile and see that he is too busy being hilarious and trying to fit in. He will not answer any of these questions. We need to hear more about his star wars viewing, him trolling his wife, something about stepson and reading books. Too busy to manage community...Quote:
Originally Posted by MrrMokum
One of the first questions asked in the q&a was about builder base AI. He responded by playing dumb, like there are no issues with builder base AI and asked OP to please provide more details so he could understand it better. Question never got selected and remains unanswered.
So i doubt that our community manager will give this thread (multiple merged threads, actually. Kudos to whomever is merging them:thumbsup:) more than a quick look, determine that there is nothing hilarious for him to contribute here, and move on.
I absolutely agree as well. Skill based attacks have been on the decline for a couple years. But the builder base experiment seemed to ignite supercell's confidence in ramping up the luck factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by oFontoura
I've been preaching that for some time now. It's also why you have such a divide of opinion on it. The ones on a hot streak (lucky streak) see no problem with the AI, while those who have been catching some bad luck are extremely frustrated.
Supercell will never come out and say "Hey so we want this game to be mostly luck based and have been adding chaos to the AI" because they want you to believe that you can master attacking.
Now, there are still people out there that can be very very good and consistent attackers. But that margin is constantly narrowing as the luck factor goes up.
I know that is kind of contradictory, on one side I am saying the amount of luck in any given attack is going up but on the other side I am saying the amount of skill needed is also going up.
But as chaos is introduced and luck becomes more of a factor the room for error decreases. So for all but the most skilled of attackers the game becomes a game of chance and not skill. Chances are you are not one of the skilled attackers and any success you are currently seeing is probably just a good luck streak.
All this to keep the carrot on the stick alive and avoid having to implement any real end-game content to keep players engaged.
It's a limited time approach though. As time goes on the luck factor has to be continuously increased (to combat the shared knowledge of the internet). Eventually the amount of luck being injected into the attacks becomes too high and players push back or reject the algorithm.
I feel like we are rapidly approaching that breaking point where players no longer feel they are in control of their attacks.