The point of walls?

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Originally Posted by Sneakydave

I just want to add one thing noone has seemed to mention yet, maxed level walls get killed off very quickly anyway, level 40 bks, aqs, max wizards and pekkas, witchs etc.. under rage they all dismantle walls in no time. Its not that the current armies ignore walls, I dont see any future army composition actually being vunerable to higher level walls. Thats why Ive been suggesting to my clan for months to upgrade to th10 sooner, not sorry so much about walls, they are not a big deal when compared to other defenses. To be honest the single biggest defense right now that will define a win or loss is your spring trap placement.

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Very good point and very true. Lvl4 pekka under max rage will blow through all lvl9 and lower walls in two hits. Not to mention you could just jump your army over the wall.

i really do not see how walls will become super strong again. Lvl6wall breakers, drag, balloons, jump spells, hogs, max rage tier3 troops/heros all demolish walls or ignore them.

now it is a different story in farm land, but when guys are dropping five spells and max troops your walls are just a little speed bump.

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Originally Posted by rynoster

I don't want to post here as it was not my design, I don't like taking fame for others' work. You are welcome to check me up in COC, clan Rekkies [ZA]

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Then i"ll do it for you :p
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Credits too : TheGuyThatMadeThisBaseThatIDontKnow

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Originally Posted by hababiba

Then i"ll do it for you :p
http://i41.tinypic.com/2me2wzo.jpg
Credits too : TheGuyThatMadeThisBaseThatIDontKnow

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That's a bit rude considering he didn't want it posting.

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Originally Posted by Sneakydave

I just want to add one thing noone has seemed to mention yet, maxed level walls get killed off very quickly anyway, level 40 bks, aqs, max wizards and pekkas, witchs etc.. under rage they all dismantle walls in no time. Its not that the current armies ignore walls, I dont see any future army composition actually being vunerable to higher level walls. Thats why Ive been suggesting to my clan for months to upgrade to th10 sooner, not sorry so much about walls, they are not a big deal when compared to other defenses. To be honest the single biggest defense right now that will define a win or loss is your spring trap placement.

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+1

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Originally Posted by Growler

Even with hogs or balloons having high level walls can slow down clear up troops and save you trophies and resource.

If you can't be bothered then there is no point doing high level walls. Simply be aware that your base will always look less impressive and you will always have a slightly substandard base when compared to someone with the same defences who does have high level walls.

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You only need to lose 50% to lose a defense, 3-star is a bonus.

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Originally Posted by OMGILOVECOFFEE

In most hog attacks, its not the hogs which end up getting the last % to either win or 3 star you. So what makes them win you ask? The supporting troops, usually the heroes and either a few wizards, minions, witches or even archers. All these attacks take up over 2 and a half minutes, many winning a few seconds before the 3 minutes. The extra health between level 7, 8, 9, 10 and 11 certainly are massive contributers in winning/losing. Even against GoWiPe, the wallbreakers aren't going to break every path. Letting your inferno or cannon let off a few more shots could also be the thing to make you win. So maybe walls are useless defending in crystal and below, but once you come up to a league with bases of similar or better layouts, you'll see how important they are.

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Agreed, however, with all defenses destroyed, 3 minutes is more than enough to get to 50%, most likely TH as well.

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Originally Posted by Hnv

max walls or near are sexy,

low walls arent very sexy

they create further range for attackers to get to near your stuff in your walls

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I agree on the sexy part, not sure walls become "higher" that decreases ranged unit range though?

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Originally Posted by megaflex

I must say I don't completely agree with you. Even against hog riders walls still have a point.
The first point is that hog riders get slowed down because they have to jump over the walls, but the second yet most important thing what walls do is distract hog riders to the wrong direction.

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You have 250 walls, I have 250 walls, you are not addressing the wall level here...

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Originally Posted by megaflex

With that, I mean that walls can drive the hog riders into the wrong direction which can be fatal sometimes.
Take a look at this base: http://clashofclansbuilder.com/plan/140105 . The hog riders are more likely to go all around and then for the townhall, which makes a 100% quite hard to achieve.

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Sure, there are anti-hog layouts (I have one), opens you up to GOWIPE and Balloonions though. Also, clever attackers can get past this running around the base, I've been attacked by such an individual.

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Originally Posted by megaflex

At high trophy counts you also see alot of witches & gowipe's. Walls really slow them down and then the difference between level 8 & 10 walls is quite game changing.

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2 rage spells in the first 30-60 seconds of the game and the wall level barely matters!

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Originally Posted by megaflex

Shortly: Walls definetly have a point in the game

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Although there are good arguments, I still kind of fail to be convinced.

Off topic, but your base is looking good. We both are in the same point again. Personally, dont think there is a huge difference between lvl8 and 9 walls. But lvl9 look really cool, so i am grinding them out. Lol at myself!

If you are making people waste spells to rage through or jump over walls then you are certainly impacting on their attack, and reducing the amount of spells left to attack you with.

There is a material trophy difference between one star and three stars, not to mention the boasting rights. You will also often save storages if that is what you are trying to protect.

If you simply make things up and misrepresent/ignore what people post then you will always be unconvinced, that is up to you. Just be content in the knowledge that you have an inferior base in both looks and strength. The difference my be small, but deep down you know it is there.

If you do not have the time, money or willingness to get high level walls that is fine, but trying to claim they are completely useless is nonsensical.

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Originally Posted by Beancounter

Off topic, but your base is looking good. We both are in the same point again. Personally, dont think there is a huge difference between lvl8 and 9 walls. But lvl9 look really cool, so i am grinding them out. Lol at myself!

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Good seeing you around Beancounter! Good luck bud!! ;)

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Originally Posted by Growler

If you are making people waste spells to rage through or jump over walls then you are certainly impacting on their attack, and reducing the amount of spells left to attack you with.

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Yeah good luck not using spells when chasing trophies against maxed bases. ;) I've seen maxed defense TH10's with wooden walls I wouldn't attack with balloonions...

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Originally Posted by Growler

There is a material trophy difference between one star and three stars, not to mention the boasting rights. You will also often save storages if that is what you are trying to protect.

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Winning is winning, losing is losing, sometimes all you can get is the 50% or the TH. 50% or TH is all that is needed to WIN trophies!! Any loot gained is also a bonus.

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Originally Posted by Growler

If you simply make things up and misrepresent/ignore what people post then you will always be unconvinced, that is up to you. Just be content in the knowledge that you have an inferior base in both looks and strength. The difference my be small, but deep down you know it is there.

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Yeah TH9 pretty much maxed out (except 3 archer towers), pretty inferior... ;) You keep telling yourself that! Not sure what got the hair on your back raised. I'm not misrepresenting anyone, neither did I ignore anything what was said. In the CONTEXT of what I was asking, i.e. trophy hunting - walls have little meaning in the metagame right now, as implied by many posters so far.... ;)

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Originally Posted by Growler

If you do not have the time, money or willingness to get high level walls that is fine, but trying to claim they are completely useless is nonsensical.

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Get your facts straight high-poster (always the high-posting forum idiot - yeah you made this personal). How can you claim I don't have the willingness, yet I've been farming non-stop basically since I started playing to max everything asap, including walls, that pretty much answers the time issue as well. As for money, I enjoy the game so don't see the point in rushing to get everything, and then do what... ? And yes, I've spent a few dollars on it.

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Originally Posted by Growler

If you do not have the time, money or willingness to get high level walls that is fine, but trying to claim they are completely useless is nonsensical.

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[QUOTE=rynoster;997099


Get your facts straight high-poster (always the high-posting forum idiot yeah you made this personal). How can you claim I don't have the willingness, yet I've been farming non-stop basically since I started playing to max everything asap, including walls, that pretty much answers the time issue as well. As for money, I enjoy the game so don't see the point in rushing to get everything, and then do what... ? And yes, I've spent a few dollars on it.[/QUOTE]

He said "if"... He never said you don't have the willingness. And he's correct...to say walls are totally useless is nonsensical.

Name calling? Really?

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Originally Posted by Growler

If you are making people waste spells to rage through or jump over walls then you are certainly impacting on their attack, and reducing the amount of spells left to attack you with.

There is a material trophy difference between one star and three stars, not to mention the boasting rights. You will also often save storages if that is what you are trying to protect.

If you simply make things up and misrepresent/ignore what people post then you will always be unconvinced, that is up to you. Just be content in the knowledge that you have an inferior base in both looks and strength. The difference my be small, but deep down you know it is there.

If you do not have the time, money or willingness to get high level walls that is fine, but trying to claim they are completely useless is nonsensical.

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Lol, at masters1 or champ level people are using five spells per attack. High level gowipes are chaining rage and cut threw any base like a hot knife through butter. It is not like you use rage to just blow through the wall, it is also blowing through all the defenses behind that wall.


i have a ton of guys in our clan who hit masters1 and champ and they all say walls are really not worth it. Just look at the attack win to def win ratio on guys up there. No one is winning cups at that level with just defense, it is all about attack, attack and more attacks!

Edit: as for rynosters current base any good hogger would still be able to three star it. You just have to release hogs in waves. First wave takes defenses in one qrtr, next wave will head for the core. It will stop noob hogger a who release all hogs in one spot. Then they will run a circle around the core.

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Originally Posted by Steved13

He said "if"... He never said you don't have the willingness. And he's correct...to say walls are totally useless is nonsensical.

Name calling? Really?

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Lol dude, PLEASE show me where I said walls are useless!!!! ;)

Name calling, fight fire with fire bud, I don't care about a virtual sense of authority having high posts. You make this personal, don't expect to get flowers in the mail... ;)

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Originally Posted by Beancounter

Lol, at masters1 or champ level people are using five spells per attack. High level gowipes are chaining rage and cut threw any base like a hot knife through butter. It is not like you use rage to just blow through the wall, it is also blowing through all the defenses behind that wall.


i have a ton of guys in our clan who hit masters1 and champ and they all say walls are really not worth it. Just look at the attack win to def win ratio on guys up there. No one is winning cups at that level with just defense, it is all about attack, attack and more attacks!

Edit: as for rynosters current base any good hogger would still be able to three star it. You just have to release hogs in waves. First wave takes defenses in one qrtr, next wave will head for the core. It will stop noob hogger a who release all hogs in one spot. Then they will run a circle around the core.

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Yep, spell cost is irrelevant once you reach Masters, you spend whatever it takes to win! Farmers who have never done a trophy push don't understand this.

Pretty much what you said on the hogs Beancounter, have not been 3-starred with them yet though. Clearing up a quarter and then sending in the rest is the best way to at least get a 1- or 2-star, at least from my experience defending them. I have not used them to attack yet.

Anyway, this is going waaaaayyyy OT.