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Could not have been said better. This thread is full of misconceptions. Calling the matchmaker "spot on perfect" while having been an engineered clan facing advantages every war just sums it up. The selfpity is so uncalled for.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2222
War vs #PQRP2PLG
War summary is simple; Here is the sheet to break it down -
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
(right now its on the far left tab/ first you will see - but if you read this later scroll to the right and look for AG3 12-2-17-
We roster engineered a better looking set of accounts and with them not being serious- poor war performance and skipped attacks they lost.
Supercell matched us 'fairly' more or less - you can see the numbers on the sheet.
-sample:
Clan Player TH Weight BK AQ GW Notes Combined
HerosWEIGHT HERO Clan Player TH Weight BK AQ GW Notes Clans: 1 Players: 25 907 203 185 51 -42 13 Clans: 1 Players: 25 949 203 182 41 Aged Greatness3 Draconia #22PJJ8PVU 11 82 45 45 20 Highly optimized 9.11 110 2 0 Cant Read Player 1 11 80 45 45 20 Highly optimized 9.11 max walls Aged Greatness3 Bleazel #29QGY2CLV 11 80 45 45 20 Highly optimized 110 3 18 Cant Read Player 2 11 77 36 40 16 Highly optimized Aged Greatness3 Nightmare 03 #2LPRP8L0G 10 72 12 17 0 Optimized 29 -1 -10 Cant Read Player 3 11 73 19 15 5 9.11 rushed with lvl7 walls Aged Greatness3 Nightmare 04 #RV0P92LQ 10 71 11 17 0 Optimized 28 2 2 Cant Read Player 4 10 69 14 12 0 9.5 rushed lvl7 walls Aged Greatness3 Raven 11 63 17 17 11 Optimized 45 0 17 Cant Read Player 5 11 63 13 15 0 Rushed th8 defenses th9 offense
we got the same kind of relatively 'fair' match we are used to getting - where we can easily get 100% using multiple attacks against the enemy top bases - in the end our two strongest accounts could win with 1 spell left over and a large healthy army and nearly a minute left on the clock vs their #1 and 2.
-Their equally strong accounts ran out of time on our #1 at 2 star 99% and died on our #2 with 2 star 85%. (I'm talking we had two max 11 offense /max heroes - to their two max offense/max heroes) The other various 8.11 and 9.11's on both sides did not have max heroes - they were unable to clear the top because of this.
Defensive wise = as usual they had heavier defenses than us on the top 2 spots with comparable offense so we still went in with a small disadvantage... -- they had max mortar/wiz/arch/xbow/cannons vs us using lvl 5ish mortar/wiz and lvl 14 arch / level 13cannon Good news for the matchmaker - no body on either side had infernos or eagles... thats the only plus...
Waiting 61 days for this match however is - a big fail on supercells part...since over the past year and a half we'd get these same exact type of wars with only a few hours of a search. -
Enemy top 2 bases were 100% identical (same owner? lazy... easy design to beat, cleared #1 on the first 'real' try after our scout) - lots of max walls, max light weight defenses Enemy
Enemy 3 and 4 were solid th9's going to 10 and 11 without maxing.Enemy
5 to 20 were rather useless accounts - your average rush to th10 to get dragons kind of things with bad pink walls and useless designs / level 2 to 5 other defenses... just junk.
Enemy 20 to 25 were defenseless.
-So this war was really just enemy 1 and 2 vs our 1 and 2... Their base design was simple and common - and identical- our top 5 were all really well designed unique optimized bases that were challenging but they had plenty of th11 research to help them... and our bases are all light weight.
So we won because we had better bases, and they had poor attack skills... otherwise we would have had another 100% Draw... we get a lot of those lately... well; at least 60+days ago we were getting a lot of them.
I'll report back in another 60 to 90 days when we find our next war... I expect it will be about the same... we land 100% and they will draw or miss 1 star if we luck out.
@ the question about 'how many defenses have I added/upgraded' --My top 5 mini's have gone from 40 to 50k th 6.11's to 60/70k th8.11 its non stop x5 builders on about 5 to 10 accounts depending on how much time I have to farm... about 10 of my accounts will never gain any weight as theya re 100% perfect as is - even under the current meta they are fine - and 10 others are on my to do list... i'll get to them in about 5 or 10 years after my others are fixed...
I am not able to use most of those accounts in war - certainly 100% impossible to use them all together.. but if I use 2 or less in a war they can still match and do fine... as long as they arent the anchors.
Match maker is still out of wack.. taking way too long to match... 60 odd days to find a match is just not cool.
Benched most of your accounts.... I thought you guys could hold out longer, maybe add a hunger strike to the protest.
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Originally Posted by TankSinatra
Lol; we'd all be long dead and dust before any of us would have any impact on the game or how the developers choose to make it work... Hunger strike - funny.
Building new accounts takes ages... but its faster than fixing the old ones -- the original accounts we have at various 6.11 to 9.11 styles will take many long months or years of hard grinding to fix... and the 'fix' involves maxing them (and thereby getting hard wars... never wanted that to begin with...) most of those players have given up by now and found other games to play - a few of us are drafting the abandoned accounts in futile attempts to get war matches in a few places... All these various posts over the past few months with people talking about the MM and I've had ONE result to share... ONE... thats lame.
Of course I am involved in other clans with 'more normal' accounts and in farm wars as well -- those can match reasonably fast - though they still get un fair matches one way or the other more often than not...
The Matchmaker currently seems to refuse to match us based on clan weight - and refuses to give our engineered accounts a war with normal maxers.
No other helpful observations are available... other than if your Engineered and want war - you have options...
1-add tons of weight and re engineer or go maxer...
2-add a bunch of maxers above you in war and limit your war to 5% or less engineered
3-quit, restart, new account or find a new game.
4- carefully craft and roster engineer your clan to 'look balanced' even if it isnt. (tricky, takes lots of effort and many static accounts that never change)
/ I'll post again if we find a war or if someone feels the need to ask a question or discuss something.
I used the same basic line up as we had last war - minor adjustments to the line up to give our clan a better overall 'image' of being balanced...
We have a match... This enemy is actually WEAKER defensively on their top 2 than us -and their offense is significantly weaker than ours as well. -I'm not sure if this is a 'fair' war but I'll tally up the numbers after the thing starts... it appears that we have the advantage on top for the first time in over a year.
We are only using THREE of our old accounts... so I guess this is not really anything overly exciting to post...
BUT...
Our top 9.11 anchors -- are properly getting enemy 9.11 mirrors and NOT; I repeat -- NO heavy eagles or infernos in sight...
-Next I'll go back to running all of our engineered in a huge pile... I expect if I do that we'll go right back to never matching again.
==but maybe == we will match... stay tuned... lol
Prediction for this war - we'll get 100% easily -- They will miss one star on our #1 and #2.
What do you think a "normal maxers" clan roster would look like that would match with your clan and why would you want that? Wouldn't a normal maxer clan have some max th11s that you can't 3 star?Quote:
Originally Posted by blombardo
What I'm still puzzled by is if there are so many engineered clans out there why can't the mm match like for like? If we put everyone who is opted in (generally 30 accounts) we don't get a match at all, which makes no sense really. If we reduce it down we get a mismatch on the number of th11s, always in the enemy's favour. If we engineer we face engineered clans, that's fine, but matching is always in favour of minimax style th11s now - is SC's message that everyone should rush to th11?? I suspect we'd get a lot of draws if properly matched but that would be better than feeling frustrated that we don't have a bunch of heavily engineered 11s to chuck in war because right now that's what we'd need to win. I don't think dropping a load of defences would solve anything as I see the same issue in wars in other clans with much more balanced line ups too. I'm not convinced mm has ever worked properly for th11.
I suspect it is partially because there are so many different extreme roster engineering combinations that there aren’t that many that ar every similar searching at the same time. I also suspect the roster engineering messes with the matchmaker and it perhaps just plain makes it hard on the matchmaker to find something equal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Astradyne
The answer his two fold:Quote:
Originally Posted by Astradyne
1) Less people doing big wars now.
And the culprit for this is...
2) The new MM has become extremely biased. It's matching by criteria rather than just weight. The MM is now matching similar type rosters. If your roster is too "non-typical", the MM has no match for you.
Play style matching is how SC killed wars.
id rather have a lopsided match than nothing at all tbh, im crying about 3 days here. I just put some money on both my minis, going to buy all the defenses. hopefully get something. Do you think if i buy infernoes on my main it will make a difference?