Yet another NO MATCH FOUND; going on 6 days now.

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Originally Posted by MajorJohnson

In our case the matchmaking isn't the issue, we are fine being matched against other engineered clans. The issue is not being able to war with half our roster because it's still too heavy with 2 eagles and an additional 6-7 90ķ+ weight bases on top for a 40 man war. Current search going on 2 days now, dropped down to 30 with the same defense on top and still have search going after 8 hours.

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I don’t think SC ever said as long as both clans are engineered whether it is an even match is irrelevant. The matchmaker is still trying to find an even match. It seems it cannot find one for your clan. That is either because you are so extremely roster engineered that there is no even match or there is another clan out there very similar to yours but your extreme engineering messes up the matchmaker so much it just can’t handle matching you at all. What does your full roster look like? Of 40 bases you noted 8-9 bases of 90k+ defensive weight. What is the defensive weight of the other 31-32 bases?

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Originally Posted by HulaGirl

I have no idea what is going on between fair matches and the time it takes to find those fair matches. All our searches have been quick, nothing more than 30 minutes and we have had quite a few questionable matches.

Several wars ago (10v), top 3 bases on our end were TH11 & 2 TH10s. Enemy had 3 TH11s on top, no TH10s

Our last war (15v), we had 2 TH11, 4 TH10 - these all have proper defenses, eagle, infernos. 2 TH9s, 1 TH8.5 and 2 minimax 9(I guess 7.9s?), 2 TH8, 2 TH7. Enemy had 4 TH11 (1 max, 3 no eagle, but various TH11 troops and stages of upgrade), 5 TH10s (varying degrees of selective upgrading, no IF), 3 th9s, 1 8.5, and 2 th7s. We won this war as their main tactic was to spam miners (th11 on th10) which only could clear 1 of our 4 TH10s. The th10s all spammed miners on the TH9s. Plus their max TH11 did not attack (base was dead so not sure why he was in the war only perhaps they needed an anchor up top and assumed they would get an easy match where no one could star the #1).

This current war we have (20v) TH11 and TH10 breakdown (th9 and lower are comparable). Our end 2 TH11, 4 TH10, 1 TH9.11 and 1 TH9.5. Enemy has 6 TH11 (2 full, 4 with no eagle, 2 of those 4 with no inferno), 1 th9.5 and 1 TH10 with mainly th8 defenses with level 1 xbows, level 8 AD and I assume max TH10 traps and teslas. We have 2 Inferno base advantage but enemy 10.5s have various stages of defense upgrades. Some have 4 xbows, some have added the extra TH11 defenses, so no pushover bases by any means. 3 of our TH10s do not have max defenses. I can see the give and take on the defensive weight between both clans but I still question the actual comparability. 2 of the enemy TH11's are true 10.5's, max th10s with low warden (under 5). The others have mid to max wardens, along with level 7 cc and mostly max th11 attack troops, giving the obvious advantage over our TH10s. We have no advantage on TH9 and below. So, where is this offensive balancing? Enemy has better heroes, better troops, better spells. The good thing is we do have skilled attackers (yes, talking about you storm and ripple :)) so we have a chance to win if lady luck is with us.

I digress quite a bit, but my initial point being, our searches are quick, if it went out for maybe an hour or 2, there would nothing in the pool with 3 TH11s and 4 TH10s (+/- 1 or 2)? Why such a quick search yet there is still the disparity?

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Its probably that stupid 9.11 you put in. Filthy engineers.

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Originally Posted by SuperStorm103

That's just the thing. Lately there has been hardly anything similar in our matches. The searches have all been under 30 minutes as well. Results are drastically different. Baffling.

I have detailed a lot of matches and the lane weights were always very close as well as most of the town halls lined up. lately only 50% of the roster has been matching to something similar.

For instance. Last war we searched with 3/5/12 and matched 8/4/4/3/1 (27 minute search). This war we searched with 4/4/12 and and matched 1/6/13 (18 minute search).

Why are these matches so drastically different? Why did they match them in under 30 minutes? We searched with 3 th11's and matched 8 th11's, then we add 1 more th11 (total of 4) and match 1 th11? I just don't get it.

I used to be able to correlate matches really well and see the tradeoffs. But I almost can't see anything anymore. Gone are the days where this side has better offense and that side has better defense. Or, yeah they are all th11 but non of their wardens have abilities and their troops stink. Now it's likely that that side has better defense and better offense. There are no trade offs or lines that can be drawn to explain a match.

When the first new iterations hit, matches were pretty good and taking 45 minutes to an hour. Now we are getting super fast matches with horrible results. Hence my opinion that the MMA is running fast and loose!

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I'm going to assume your th10s have infernos, with this iteration of matchmaker a max Th10 with infernos will easily match against Th10.5s on the defense side. As for why you are getting outwardened? That comes down to specialist offense, a Th11 with only miners or dragons and heroes (even warden) are going to get matched lightly on defense. Offensewise just dragons is the lightest, followed by miners, lavaloon, and bowitch being the heaviest.

On a side note we have bee searching for a 30 man war with 2 eagles and 6 10.75s on defense for about 12 hours now. This matchmaker is really making me angry cause our last war we were up against 16 max hero Th11s, 30 Th11s in total yet it cannot match us even if it were to match us against only TH11s?

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Originally Posted by 2222

I don’t think SC ever said as long as both clans are engineered whether it is an even match is irrelevant. The matchmaker is still trying to find an even match. It seems it cannot find one for your clan. That is either because you are so extremely roster engineered that there is no even match or there is another clan out there very similar to yours but your extreme engineering messes up the matchmaker so much it just can’t handle matching you at all. What does your full roster look like? Of 40 bases you noted 8-9 bases of 90k+ defensive weight. What is the defensive weight of the other 31-32 bases?

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Well we added another 10.75 for a total of 2 eagles and 7 10.75s on defense (92k-97k weight), still searching for a 30 man war. Now going on 1 full day searching for a 40 man, 1 full day of searching for a 30 man.

Our lineup consists of about 23-25 th11s, rest are th10s, most th11s have wardens, about 13 with max heroes.

Defensively, #10 is 82k weight, #15 is 72k weight, #20 is 62k weight, #25 is 32k weight, #30 is 8k weight.

Basically, defense is sparse throughout the middle and then drops off pretty steeply from 20-30. Only defense that matters in war is the top.

The thing that doesn't make sense to me is why we should not get a match when our top 9 have more than 92k weight? It's pretty stupid to me that MM can give fast, loose matches to some clans, other clans it gives no match because it deems them too offense heavy.

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Originally Posted by MajorJohnson

Well we added another 10.75 for a total of 2 eagles and 7 10.75s on defense (92k-97k weight)

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Our lineup consists of about 23-25 th11s, rest are th10s, most th11s have wardens, about 13 with max heroes.

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So 2 eagles, 7 10.75s, yet 23-25 th11s and a lot of low defense. I assume that means a lot of defenseless/near defenseless? Current MM seems to throw up its hands and say "nope, can't match that with anybody" these days.

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Originally Posted by MajorJohnson

Basically, defense is sparse throughout the middle and then drops off pretty steeply from 20-30. Only defense that matters in war is the top.

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Lots say that, but I think the point is overstated. Mismatch at the top is worse than mismatch elsewhere of course, but successful defenses in the middle mean fewer scouts available at the least, possibly require dips making each mistake at the top count. Final score will always make it look like it was determined at the top but that can be misleading.

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Originally Posted by MajorJohnson

The thing that doesn't make sense to me is why we should not get a match when our top 9 have more than 92k weight? It's pretty stupid to me that MM can give fast, loose matches to some clans, other clans it gives no match because it deems them too offense heavy.

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If you want to argue about what makes sense, you'll need to talk to SC. When you get hold of them please ask them for me why the builder hits bombs with a hammer to upgrade them. In the meantime "what makes sense" isn't the issue, "what the MM does" is. I think the MM is telling you to bench a few lopsided accounts and spin again. If that doesn't get results, bench them all and see what happens.

Well we finally got a match! Only took 2 days....

We matched against 8 max eagles on defense, no other infernos and their defense drops off to th9 defense by #10.

They have 14 th11s, ALL max offense/heroes , 3 th10s (1 high heroes, 2 low heroes), rest are Th9s.

We have 27 th11s, 3 th10s.

Not exactly a mismatch though, just disappointed it took so long for us to find a match.

It's an engineered Chinese clan :p


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Originally Posted by MajorJohnson

Well we added another 10.75 for a total of 2 eagles and 7 10.75s on defense (92k-97k weight), still searching for a 30 man war. Now going on 1 full day searching for a 40 man, 1 full day of searching for a 30 man.

Our lineup consists of about 23-25 th11s, rest are th10s, most th11s have wardens, about 13 with max heroes.

Defensively, #10 is 82k weight, #15 is 72k weight, #20 is 62k weight, #25 is 32k weight, #30 is 8k weight.

Basically, defense is sparse throughout the middle and then drops off pretty steeply from 20-30. Only defense that matters in war is the top.

The thing that doesn't make sense to me is why we should not get a match when our top 9 have more than 92k weight? It's pretty stupid to me that MM can give fast, loose matches to some clans, other clans it gives no match because it deems them too offense heavy.

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It makes sense to me that it is very hard to match a clan so heavily engineered like that. The matchmaker has to try to find another very heavily engineered clan.

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Originally Posted by MajorJohnson

Well we finally got a match! Only took 2 days....

We matched against 8 max eagles on defense, no other infernos and their defense drops off to th9 defense by #10.

They have 14 th11s, ALL max offense/heroes , 3 th10s (1 high heroes, 2 low heroes), rest are Th9s.

We have 27 th11s, 3 th10s.

Not exactly a mismatch though, just disappointed it took so long for us to find a match.

It's an engineered Chinese clan :p


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While I might not be one of them wouldn't many think a 27-14 th11 difference be a mismatch?

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Originally Posted by MrJackrabbit

While I might not be one of them wouldn't many think a 27-14 th11 difference be a mismatch?

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Depends on the offense of those 27 TH11s.

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Originally Posted by Prutser

Depends on the offense of those 27 TH11s.

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And the defense of those th11s.