Yet another NO MATCH FOUND; going on 6 days now.

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Originally Posted by MajorJohnson

Might as well make it clear the makers should start creating 1 cannon minis with max heroes. Roster should be irrelevant, people should be able to build their bases however they want and be matched within a reasonable amount of time, 24 hour searches are NOT reasonable.

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It’s a trade off between fast matches and fair matches. They’ve come down where they needed to, on the side of fair, and I for one would hate to see faster matching that resulted in unfair wars, particularly with any kind of systematic advantage to one build style.

Like Onyx says, what can they do if it is just not there? Surely some responsibility is on the clan with the difficulty, at least to consider options like moving into the most populous war size brackets (10v10and 15v15). Changing war size won’t impact your ability to build bases however you please, but it may deliver a match faster just for the pool of possible matches being far wider.

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Originally Posted by Tomville

It’s a trade off between fast matches and fair matches. They’ve come down where they needed to, on the side of fair, and I for one would hate to see faster matching that resulted in unfair wars, particularly with any kind of systematic advantage to one build style.

Like Onyx says, what can they do if it is just not there? Surely some responsibility is on the clan with the difficulty, at least to consider options like moving into the most populous war size brackets (10v10and 15v15). Changing war size won’t impact your ability to build bases however you please, but it may deliver a match faster just for the pool of possible matches being far wider.

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There will always be build styles and roster lineups that will offer an advantage to one side over the other. Changing war size does impact people's ability to build their bases how they please because about half of some clans simply cannot war because of their chosen upgrade path, reduces the pool of clans searching and in turn makes it harder for more clans to find a match.

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Originally Posted by MajorJohnson

There will always be build styles and roster lineups that will offer an advantage to one side over the other. Changing war size does impact people's ability to build their bases how they please because about half of some clans simply cannot war because of their chosen upgrade path, reduces the pool of clans searching and in turn makes it harder for more clans to find a match.

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Yes, but how much of an advantage should be allowed is the question. Perhaps after a certain amount of time the matchmaker should allow the gap between the two clans to widen, but only in the direction of making the clan searching a long time be on the bad side of the match. Certainly, Clan A should not be given an advantage over Clan B just because Clan A was searching for 10 hours.

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Originally Posted by blombardo

-I consider 'fair' to be when both clans have a chance to get 100% destruction if they both perform decently; how many attempts does each clan have on the top is not part of my calculations

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I wonder if this is a part of the calculations with the current MM as well. It would make sense with so many crying mismatch.
I for one am not finding crazy mismatches like most are getting. While I am engineering I have made a few adjustments that seem to help get matches. Did SC tell me to do this? No I went and figured it out.
Just spun a war again this morning and again no crazy mismatch I have the advantage in heroes and th11's. They have the advantage in war weight, total th levels, and higher level defenses. All this after about 90 minutes. This is a simple mobile game and to make it too complex with the war search will just increase the search times to even higher levels. One possibly 2 criteria is all it can handle before no one will ever get a match.
As far as engineers not getting matches goes, your right I had the same issue and adjusted by putting some defenses down. I will not go crazy like I did with the march 2016 update only to get nerfed and have a setback. There was a time where there was an entire clan of defenseless and the actually would win war as crazy as that sounds. What happened to them? SC changed the MM and they no longer were able to find a match. So the clan either dispersed or some started adding some defenses.
Does SC need to address us with what to do? I don't think so. Sure it would be nice however part of the fun at least for me is when SC throws up an obstacle finding a way around it. It really makes me think having a balanced clan of different styles helps after all I have max bases, 1 .5 base, 1 9.11, and 2 bases that have all new defenses at the previous th level.
I get people want fair matches but fair needs to be defined with only 1 or 2 criteria like weight, th level, hero level, defense level, not all of them. Engineering is a legitimate style that SC appears to be working on taking away the advantage while not wanting to make that style a disadvantage. Finally while feed back is helpful SC can't really respond with what exactly to do since that would be putting limits on a game that only a few actually want.

I have no idea what is going on between fair matches and the time it takes to find those fair matches. All our searches have been quick, nothing more than 30 minutes and we have had quite a few questionable matches.

Several wars ago (10v), top 3 bases on our end were TH11 & 2 TH10s. Enemy had 3 TH11s on top, no TH10s

Our last war (15v), we had 2 TH11, 4 TH10 - these all have proper defenses, eagle, infernos. 2 TH9s, 1 TH8.5 and 2 minimax 9(I guess 7.9s?), 2 TH8, 2 TH7. Enemy had 4 TH11 (1 max, 3 no eagle, but various TH11 troops and stages of upgrade), 5 TH10s (varying degrees of selective upgrading, no IF), 3 th9s, 1 8.5, and 2 th7s. We won this war as their main tactic was to spam miners (th11 on th10) which only could clear 1 of our 4 TH10s. The th10s all spammed miners on the TH9s. Plus their max TH11 did not attack (base was dead so not sure why he was in the war only perhaps they needed an anchor up top and assumed they would get an easy match where no one could star the #1).

This current war we have (20v) TH11 and TH10 breakdown (th9 and lower are comparable). Our end 2 TH11, 4 TH10, 1 TH9.11 and 1 TH9.5. Enemy has 6 TH11 (2 full, 4 with no eagle, 2 of those 4 with no inferno), 1 th9.5 and 1 TH10 with mainly th8 defenses with level 1 xbows, level 8 AD and I assume max TH10 traps and teslas. We have 2 Inferno base advantage but enemy 10.5s have various stages of defense upgrades. Some have 4 xbows, some have added the extra TH11 defenses, so no pushover bases by any means. 3 of our TH10s do not have max defenses. I can see the give and take on the defensive weight between both clans but I still question the actual comparability. 2 of the enemy TH11's are true 10.5's, max th10s with low warden (under 5). The others have mid to max wardens, along with level 7 cc and mostly max th11 attack troops, giving the obvious advantage over our TH10s. We have no advantage on TH9 and below. So, where is this offensive balancing? Enemy has better heroes, better troops, better spells. The good thing is we do have skilled attackers (yes, talking about you storm and ripple :)) so we have a chance to win if lady luck is with us.

I digress quite a bit, but my initial point being, our searches are quick, if it went out for maybe an hour or 2, there would nothing in the pool with 3 TH11s and 4 TH10s (+/- 1 or 2)? Why such a quick search yet there is still the disparity?

An excellent question and one I posed as well in my "Sad Cinderella Story" thread. 27 minutes search to find a match that wasn't a match. Why the quick searches? Let us least search for an hour to find a better match......Heck, even 2 hours........


It's like there are 0 matching parameters anymore. If you can find a match in less then 30 minutes that is so far off from being a match, that is the only way I think that could happen. Things are way way way to loose right now! Tighten it up and let is search for an hour at least!

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Originally Posted by 2222

Yes, but how much of an advantage should be allowed is the question. Perhaps after a certain amount of time the matchmaker should allow the gap between the two clans to widen, but only in the direction of making the clan searching a long time be on the bad side of the match. Certainly, Clan A should not be given an advantage over Clan B just because Clan A was searching for 10 hours.

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In our case the matchmaking isn't the issue, we are fine being matched against other engineered clans. The issue is not being able to war with half our roster because it's still too heavy with 2 eagles and an additional 6-7 90ķ+ weight bases on top for a 40 man war. Current search going on 2 days now, dropped down to 30 with the same defense on top and still have search going after 8 hours.

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Originally Posted by SuperStorm103

An excellent question and one I posed as well in my "Sad Cinderella Story" thread. 27 minutes search to find a match that wasn't a match. Why the quick searches? Let us least search for an hour to find a better match......Heck, even 2 hours........


It's like there are 0 matching parameters anymore. If you can find a match in less then 30 minutes that is so far off from being a match, that is the only way I think that could happen. Things are way way way to loose right now! Tighten it up and let is search for an hour at least!

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I know you do a lot of research in this. Instead of trying to look at why it's a mismatch look for the similar. This would be a good indicator of which parameters they use. Look for what is there not what isnt.

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Originally Posted by MrJackrabbit

I know you do a lot of research in this. Instead of trying to look at why it's a mismatch look for the similar. This would be a good indicator of which parameters they use. Look for what is there not what isnt.

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That's just the thing. Lately there has been hardly anything similar in our matches. The searches have all been under 30 minutes as well. Results are drastically different. Baffling.

I have detailed a lot of matches and the lane weights were always very close as well as most of the town halls lined up. lately only 50% of the roster has been matching to something similar.

For instance. Last war we searched with 3/5/12 and matched 8/4/4/3/1 (27 minute search). This war we searched with 4/4/12 and and matched 1/6/13 (18 minute search).

Why are these matches so drastically different? Why did they match them in under 30 minutes? We searched with 3 th11's and matched 8 th11's, then we add 1 more th11 (total of 4) and match 1 th11? I just don't get it.

I used to be able to correlate matches really well and see the tradeoffs. But I almost can't see anything anymore. Gone are the days where this side has better offense and that side has better defense. Or, yeah they are all th11 but non of their wardens have abilities and their troops stink. Now it's likely that that side has better defense and better offense. There are no trade offs or lines that can be drawn to explain a match.

When the first new iterations hit, matches were pretty good and taking 45 minutes to an hour. Now we are getting super fast matches with horrible results. Hence my opinion that the MMA is running fast and loose!

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Originally Posted by SuperStorm103

That's just the thing. Lately there has been hardly anything similar in our matches. The searches have all been under 30 minutes as well. Results are drastically different. Baffling.

I have detailed a lot of matches and the lane weights were always very close as well as most of the town halls lined up. lately only 50% of the roster has been matching to something similar.

For instance. Last war we searched with 3/5/12 and matched 8/4/4/3/1 (27 minute search). This war we searched with 4/4/12 and and matched 1/6/13 (18 minute search).

Why are these matches so drastically different? Why did they match them in under 30 minutes? We searched with 3 th11's and matched 8 th11's, then we add 1 more th11 (total of 4) and match 1 th11? I just don't get it.

I used to be able to correlate matches really well and see the tradeoffs. But I almost can't see anything anymore. Gone are the days where this side has better offense and that side has better defense. Or, yeah they are all th11 but non of their wardens have abilities and their troops stink. Now it's likely that that side has better defense and better offense. There are no trade offs or lines that can be drawn to explain a match.

When the first new iterations hit, matches were pretty good and taking 45 minutes to an hour. Now we are getting super fast matches with horrible results. Hence my opinion that the MMA is running fast and loose!

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I would tend to agree with is there appears to be little similarity. Some wars I have a hero advantage some I have a war weight advantage. Since we don't know offense weight that is harder. Part of me thinks that to benefit the casual clan that has no strategy there can be no strategy to the mm either. Makes it harder for those of us that are more into war. It would be similar to the builder hall. When you reach the point where off or see can't maintain that level matches become interesting winning a few losing a few.