Yet another NO MATCH FOUND; going on 6 days now.

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October 19th, 2017
TankSinatra

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Originally Posted by ryryshouse

They won't fix it.

What they might do is introduce a new game mode that supersedes it and meshes with their design principles.

I think a 5v5 tournament style war with short timers 2hr/2hr would be huge.

It seems so obvious to me I don't understand why they haven't done something like they are in brawl stars or royale but with slightly larger player coop and longer timer

Would be great but they might be thinking 5v5 isn't social enough, clans will collapse, players leave. Just a guess.
October 19th, 2017
ryryshouse

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Originally Posted by TankSinatra

Would be great but they might be thinking 5v5 isn't social enough, clans will collapse, players leave. Just a guess.

They implemented night mode.

Not sure what to tell you.

Maybe you match 5v5 with random people. I don't think they care about the social aspect. How long did it take to fix it so Indian and us global were not together
October 19th, 2017
TankSinatra

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Originally Posted by ryryshouse

They implemented night mode.

Not sure what to tell you.

Maybe you match 5v5 with random people. I don't think they care about the social aspect. How long did it take to fix it so Indian and us global were not together

Just guessing. There must be a reason they made 10v the minimum to begin with.
October 19th, 2017
ryryshouse

I am inferring that they are addressing the social aspect by implementing modes where you attack more often.
October 26th, 2017
blombardo

I'm glad to see your all progressing the topic with some on target ideas and discussions.

Going on 23 days of non stop search after search with no match found every time. Fun Fun... trying a 30x today for day #24

I'd simply like to know

-Is supercell going to admit that this is an error - a flaw - a failure in the matchmaker?

or are they going to claim that this is their intention; to make it impossible for some clans to ever match in war again unless that clan conforms to some unspecified upgrade path (aka maxers)

Supercell needs to set forth an official tutorial and statement regarding how they expect people to play and how they intend to handle clan wars and 'lopsided' or engineered / whatever accounts. For many years we were all doing fine; playing the way the game was meant to be played... being rewarded for playing that way in fact... Now they've decided to punish us instead of rewarding us...

Is this a big mistake? a flaw? or are they purposefully going out of their way to prevent clans from matching?

Have so many clans quit playing that the match pool has declined? That could be a reason... Most of our addicted players who used to log in 10x a day now log in once every other day for a minute... see no war and log out again...

Statistics have shown that most players were engineered - recent wars we had over the last few months were increasingly filled with accounts that were designed just like our own; though often mis matched in one way or another they were at least close...

now we get no war at all; nothing... there is really no reason to keep playing the game if the only reason we play is for war; and we cant get one...

I have no problem with how the developers choose to run their game; I have a problem with the lack of communication and the apparent lack of vision (or change of vision) that has recently effected wars in this game... to the point where we can no longer war.

Guessing to the issue - supercell has made the match maker so overloaded with checks and balances that its looking too close and too hard - they have - in my opinion - broken it. Wars are no more fair now than they were in the past - the maxer clans i observe still get mis matched badly, th10/s still get matched vs 11's more than they should- and clans with (a few) lopsided accounts can still easily gain an advantage...

the only real change is now - its harder to predict war match results and clans with huge rosters of ALL engineered players can't match at all.
October 26th, 2017
2222

Quote:

Originally Posted by blombardo

I'm glad to see your all progressing the topic with some on target ideas and discussions.

Going on 23 days of non stop search after search with no match found every time. Fun Fun... trying a 30x today for day #24

I'd simply like to know

-Is supercell going to admit that this is an error - a flaw - a failure in the matchmaker?

or are they going to claim that this is their intention; to make it impossible for some clans to ever match in war again unless that clan conforms to some unspecified upgrade path (aka maxers)

Supercell needs to set forth an official tutorial and statement regarding how they expect people to play and how they intend to handle clan wars and 'lopsided' or engineered / whatever accounts. For many years we were all doing fine; playing the way the game was meant to be played... being rewarded for playing that way in fact... Now they've decided to punish us instead of rewarding us...

Is this a big mistake? a flaw? or are they purposefully going out of their way to prevent clans from matching?

Have so many clans quit playing that the match pool has declined? That could be a reason... Most of our addicted players who used to log in 10x a day now log in once every other day for a minute... see no war and log out again...

Statistics have shown that most players were engineered - recent wars we had over the last few months were increasingly filled with accounts that were designed just like our own; though often mis matched in one way or another they were at least close...

now we get no war at all; nothing... there is really no reason to keep playing the game if the only reason we play is for war; and we cant get one...

I have no problem with how the developers choose to run their game; I have a problem with the lack of communication and the apparent lack of vision (or change of vision) that has recently effected wars in this game... to the point where we can no longer war.

Guessing to the issue - supercell has made the match maker so overloaded with checks and balances that its looking too close and too hard - they have - in my opinion - broken it. Wars are no more fair now than they were in the past - the maxer clans i observe still get mis matched badly, th10/s still get matched vs 11's more than they should- and clans with (a few) lopsided accounts can still easily gain an advantage...

the only real change is now - its harder to predict war match results and clans with huge rosters of ALL engineered players can't match at all.

You know why your extreme roster engineered clan can’t find a match, so just adapt like you have previously told other players to do. Change your roster and get a match. If the matchmaker cannot find an even match for your clan, it is working as it should in not giving you a match. If there is another clan very similar to yours also searching at the same time also not getting a match, that would then be a flaw perhaps.
October 26th, 2017
Tomville

Quote:

Originally Posted by blombardo

Going on 23 days of non stop search after search with no match found every time...

I'd simply like to know
-Is supercell going to admit that this is an error - a flaw - a failure in the matchmaker?
or are they going to claim that this is their intention; to make it impossible for some clans to ever match in war again unless that clan conforms to some unspecified upgrade path (aka maxers)...

This is a false dichotomy, the alternatives are not either max or have a clan like yours. You’ve cut out the whole (large) middle ground of clans that engineer less extremely.

It’s not a matchmaker failure but rather a matchmaker success for other clans that might otherwise have been mismatched to you: 23 days of non-stop searching should tell you something that you don’t need a tutorial to point out.
October 26th, 2017
Damiz

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Originally Posted by 2222

You know why your extreme roster engineered clan can’t find a match, so just adapt like you have previously told other players to do. Change your roster and get a match. If the matchmaker cannot find an even match for your clan, it is working as it should in not giving you a match. If there is another clan very similar to yours also searching at the same time also not getting a match, that would then be a flaw perhaps.

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Originally Posted by Tomville

This is a false dichotomy, the alternatives are not either max or have a clan like yours. You’ve cut out the whole (large) middle ground of clans that engineer less extremely.

It’s not a matchmaker failure but rather a matchmaker success for other clans that might otherwise have been mismatched to you: 23 days of non-stop searching should tell you something that you don’t need a tutorial to point out.

I would only add this to the above posts:

"....and learn how the MM is working - how to manipulate it - read the comparisons and look at what line ups get what results... collect data -analyze and come up with a plan to fix your roster... then spend a few months correcting your clan anchors and other members so you can win too...

or recruit the kinds of accounts that your lacking."

Sound familiar?

With all your expertise on manipulating the MM, I am sure you can figure out how your clan can fix the line up so that you can find a match.

Whilst I would agree with you that the MM still needs work - it is going in the fair and, imo, the correct direction.
October 26th, 2017
Pluribus

Quote:

Originally Posted by blombardo

I'm glad to see your all progressing the topic with some on target ideas and discussions.

Going on 23 days of non stop search after search with no match found every time. Fun Fun... trying a 30x today for day #24

I'd simply like to know

-Is supercell going to admit that this is an error - a flaw - a failure in the matchmaker?

or are they going to claim that this is their intention; to make it impossible for some clans to ever match in war again unless that clan conforms to some unspecified upgrade path (aka maxers)

Supercell needs to set forth an official tutorial and statement regarding how they expect people to play and how they intend to handle clan wars and 'lopsided' or engineered / whatever accounts. For many years we were all doing fine; playing the way the game was meant to be played... being rewarded for playing that way in fact... Now they've decided to punish us instead of rewarding us...

Is this a big mistake? a flaw? or are they purposefully going out of their way to prevent clans from matching?

Have so many clans quit playing that the match pool has declined? That could be a reason... Most of our addicted players who used to log in 10x a day now log in once every other day for a minute... see no war and log out again...

Statistics have shown that most players were engineered - recent wars we had over the last few months were increasingly filled with accounts that were designed just like our own; though often mis matched in one way or another they were at least close...

now we get no war at all; nothing... there is really no reason to keep playing the game if the only reason we play is for war; and we cant get one...

I have no problem with how the developers choose to run their game; I have a problem with the lack of communication and the apparent lack of vision (or change of vision) that has recently effected wars in this game... to the point where we can no longer war.

Guessing to the issue - supercell has made the match maker so overloaded with checks and balances that its looking too close and too hard - they have - in my opinion - broken it. Wars are no more fair now than they were in the past - the maxer clans i observe still get mis matched badly, th10/s still get matched vs 11's more than they should- and clans with (a few) lopsided accounts can still easily gain an advantage...

the only real change is now - its harder to predict war match results and clans with huge rosters of ALL engineered players can't match at all.

Glad to see the matchmaker is working somewhere. Reading the posts in your signature just adds to the joys of seeing you kept out war so you can't waste anyone else's time in war.

Perhaps you should add some appendices to your suggested upgrade path...Appendix A: Following these guidelines will result in a lonely existence of self importance leading to no wars. Appendix B: In order to minimize your war search times it is suggested to completely ignore above suggestions and stop trying to exploit loopholes.

I'm probably getting too giddy over an obvious case of schadenfreude, but I have had more than my full share of wars against engineers that waste my time. It is good to see the shoe on the other foot.
October 26th, 2017
blombardo

24th day no match found

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pluribus

Glad to see the matchmaker is working somewhere. Reading the posts in your signature just adds to the joys of seeing you kept out war so you can't waste anyone else's time in war.

Perhaps you should add some appendices to your suggested upgrade path...Appendix A: Following these guidelines will result in a lonely existence of self importance leading to no wars. Appendix B: In order to minimize your war search times it is suggested to completely ignore above suggestions and stop trying to exploit loopholes.

I'm probably getting too giddy over an obvious case of schadenfreude, but I have had more than my full share of wars against engineers that waste my time. It is good to see the shoe on the other foot.

You are misunderstanding the issue at hand. Engineered accounts can still easily appear in any war at any time - in smaller amounts. Also there are plenty of wars still happening right now that are 100% impossible for one clan to win and 100% guaranteed for the other clan to win easily -- this is all without engineering and simply the fault of a bad matchmaker.

I have no desire to play this game as it is... (getting no wars; why bother... I only play for war) and therefore will not be updating any of my tutorials... in fact - my tutorials were out of date quite a while ago and I choose to leave them untouched because the original tutorials basically provided a road map for supercell to nerf our upgrade path... No reason for me to continue letting everyone know the best ways to upgrade behind the scenes... supercell seems to be changing things too much for any tutorial to be valid. -- THAT being said -- the general concepts of my tutorials are all still valid and useful; the specifics however should be adjusted for this new MM.

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Originally Posted by Damiz

With all your expertise on manipulating the MM, I am sure you can figure out how your clan can fix the line up so that you can find a match.

Whilst I would agree with you that the MM still needs work - it is going in the fair and, imo, the correct direction.

I have mostly quit playing this game since the MM change - I'm 99% out of it now... I observe a few clans and participate in 2 farm war clans; -myself along with many of our clan members have simply stopped playing... we log in - check if there is a war - and log out. We liked the game that we used to play; if we can't get a war - with our current accounts and clan members then we simply wont play... Sure we could go and replace 90% of our members with totally new people who maxed - then have 10% of our old crew in wars... what fun is that? - no... we spin wars with our members and accounts as they were before the change and expect to find a match... if we dont/ we wont play... simple as that.

I'm not interested in adjusting our composition and recruiting tons of new people; I've mostly lost interest in this game... i'm simply holding out hope that something will change and we'll get wars again.

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Originally Posted by 2222

You know why your extreme roster engineered clan can’t find a match, so just adapt like you have previously told other players to do. Change your roster and get a match. If the matchmaker cannot find an even match for your clan, it is working as it should in not giving you a match. If there is another clan very similar to yours also searching at the same time also not getting a match, that would then be a flaw perhaps.

... I know your opinion... thanks for sharing it - Its impossible to adapt without 3 years of upgrades across every account in our family.. so yea.. we're adapting.. and on about the 600th day of no match found maybe by then we will have adapted... As stated before - lets see how quickly you can take 100% defenseless accounts with max offense and then turn around and add / max all the defenses... kind of impossible without thousands of dollars of gems; or many years of waiting for upgrades...

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