Hogriders Overpowered

Dear SuperCell,


Since The updated hogriders, they have a favorite target (defense) and have become pretty much unstopable.
I sugest seriously powerering down the hogriders, or remove favorite target (So they can become aware of clancastle troops, and attack all buildings) and lower movement speed.
The latest reduce in power, simply doesn't cut it.

I think SC made a bad move for this low tier Dark unit to be able to turn maxed out bases into rubble, because that's what's happening right now..
That's something only high tier units and good tactics should be able to do!

Speculation:
Not much players used the hogrider prior to the favorite target update, I guess SC knows they made a bad unit and updated it. Thereby creating a unit that is completely overpowered.

Supercell, please make this right.

Regards,

Bazzerk

What's that? Can't hear you over the sound of my hogs 100 percenting your base

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Originally Posted by Vegeta

IT S OVER 9000 THREAD ABOUT THE HOG BEING OP!!!

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people complain about hog being LP and then SC makes it better...then people complain about the hog being too OP...

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Originally Posted by Sherlock Holmes

intresting,my dear Watson

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Originally Posted by Watson

yes,sir...we should investigate more about this problem...

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God not another not another Hog thread, you seriously need to stop complaining and just get in with the game.

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Originally Posted by Aldo20

people complain about hog being LP and then SC makes it better...then people complain about the hog being too OP...

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Yes, they went too far the other way and their simulated battles were woefully inadequate. Hell they even acknowledged as much when they reduced their health in the very next update.

It really isn't a very hard concept to grasp for most people...

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Originally Posted by Charlie1

God not another not another Hog thread, you seriously need to stop complaining and just get in with the game.

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You seriously need to stop opening threads simply to complain on them and get on with the game.

Hogriders can easily be defeated, I remember a guy around here showed a defense against 48 or 50 hogriders and they did not even make it past 20%

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Originally Posted by Bakhoumgeorge

Hogriders can easily be defeated, I remember a guy around here showed a defense against 48 or 50 hogriders and they did not even make it past 20%

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People can fail with them, but they certainly are not easily defeated.

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Originally Posted by Bakhoumgeorge

Hogriders can easily be defeated, I remember a guy around here showed a defense against 48 or 50 hogriders and they did not even make it past 20%

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This is exactly why I hate the forums. You're first sentence is your opinion based on the image of the '48 or 50 hog riders', that army will lose against most bases. You have not faced a proper attacker with hogs ever, so please DO NOT input on these threads. I am absolutely disgusted that there are so many inexperienced players commenting on topics they don't have a clue about. You and all your other stupid level 70 forumers don't have the slightest clue about how much hogs impact the game at 3k+, so when you say moronic things like you just did, it makes me lose hope for your kind. You keep talking about your farming level 8 town halls, while the 30 forumers in the 3k+ range currently talk about hogs.

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Originally Posted by Bakhoumgeorge

Hogriders can easily be defeated, I remember a guy around here showed a defense against 48 or 50 hogriders and they did not even make it past 20%

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I have made maybe 4-5 hog raids. I have completely failed on 3 and had decent results in the other 2 (70% in one and 96% in the other - time ran up).

Even if they are overpowered, where is the problem with that. Anyone can use them as they dont cost that much and short training time, in comparison with witches e.g. who only gemmers could afford.

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Originally Posted by AlphaCureMum

This is exactly why I hate the forums. You're first sentence is your opinion based on the image of the '48 or 50 hog riders', that army will lose against most bases. You have not faced a proper attacker with hogs ever, so please DO NOT input on these threads. I am absolutely disgusted that there are so many inexperienced players commenting on topics they don't have a clue about. You and all your other stupid level 70 forumers don't have the slightest clue about how much hogs impact the game at 3k+, so when you say moronic things like you just did, it makes me lose hope for your kind. You keep talking about your farming level 8 town halls, while the 30 forumers in the 3k+ range currently talk about hogs.

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Wow...you actually made a coherent post.

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Originally Posted by AlphaCureMum

This is exactly why I hate the forums. You're first sentence is your opinion based on the image of the '48 or 50 hog riders', that army will lose against most bases. You have not faced a proper attacker with hogs ever, so please DO NOT input on these threads. I am absolutely disgusted that there are so many inexperienced players commenting on topics they don't have a clue about. You and all your other stupid level 70 forumers don't have the slightest clue about how much hogs impact the game at 3k+, so when you say moronic things like you just did, it makes me lose hope for your kind. You keep talking about your farming level 8 town halls, while the 30 forumers in the 3k+ range currently talk about hogs.

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lol wow rage much?

You say he has no idea what its like at 3k+ trophies and never faced a proper attacker? Guess what? I've been over 3200 for several weeks (generally sitting at 3300-3400 right now) and my base is not maxed nor are my heroes. I have been attacked by plenty "proper" hoggers and 85% of the time they lose (would be 100% if I hadnt recently gotten one starred by a hog attack that caught me while my heroes were down).

Check your facts dude, you're not only wrong, but you're flaming someone for voicing their opinion and it just makes you look like the uninformed newb you are claiming him / others to be.

Hogs aren't overpowered, people just don't seem to understand how to defend against them.

ok, i held this for Borg only. but to help your pathetic self and all other Hog winers... i shall tell you the best defense against hog riders.

1) you need spring traps.
2) you need bombs.
3) you needs a clan castle filled with minions.

ok now your ready to defend against them bad ol hogs..

now here is what you need to do, by all def weapons plat springs lil and big bombs.
then place all your weapons to reflect the best def

Full hog army also won't do very well without those heal spells.

I haven't seen a vanilla hog army beating a base into a pulp before.
They may 1 star the base but they don't get much resources.
And many hogs are very expensive.

And if anyone thinks the hogs are overpowered, than just use that mass-hog strategy to guarantee your victory.

I personally love hog attacks, both on offense and defense.

http://i.imgur.com/ioVsmM7.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/jopGdMn.jpg

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Originally Posted by Phal

lol wow rage much?

You say he has no idea what its like at 3k+ trophies and never faced a proper attacker? Guess what? I've been over 3200 for several weeks (generally sitting at 3300-3400 right now) and my base is not maxed nor are my heroes. I have been attacked by plenty "proper" hoggers and 85% of the time they lose (would be 100% if I hadnt recently gotten one starred by a hog attack that caught me while my heroes were down).

Check your facts dude, you're not only wrong, but you're flaming someone for voicing their opinion and it just makes you look like the uninformed newb you are claiming him / others to be.

Hogs aren't overpowered, people just don't seem to understand how to defend against them.

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Rightyo Mr. Phal, seeing as you're winning against hogs so much, it means that all GoWiPeWi variations can 2 star you? Either you don't get off the game or you spend hundreds on gems regaining those trophies lost in defence.

You do realise how stupid you come across? You say you get attacked by proper attackers, ones which lure CC and heroes, then go on to say you won a defence because your heroes were down? Proper attackers would lure these out, meaning if your heroes were up or down at the start, it won't matter. You also said they weren't maxed, meaning the enemies level 30+ will kindly lay yours to rest. So either you're not facing proper attackers or simply told a fib about your defence log.

In which part am I wrong? The 30 forumers being 3k+ or 48-50 hog armies losing against most bases?

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Originally Posted by Botia

I personally love hog attacks, both on offense and defense.

http://i.imgur.com/jopGdMn.jpg

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How many of them lured CC and Heroes? Well, the bottom one doesn't count. He raged his hogs. 2nd one would've lost his archers and wizards instantly if he tried luring cc and heroes, top one could have lured but a wiz in the CC would kill his 40 archers without hesitation. Posting this hardly means anything, idiot attackers will lose, I hope everyone has figured this out themselves by now.

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Originally Posted by AlphaCureMum

Rightyo Mr. Phal, seeing as you're winning against hogs so much, it means that all GoWiPeWi variations can 2 star you? Either you don't get off the game or you spend hundreds on gems regaining those trophies lost in defence.

You do realise how stupid you come across? You say you get attacked by proper attackers, ones which lure CC and heroes, then go on to say you won a defence because your heroes were down? Proper attackers would lure these out, meaning if your heroes were up or down at the start, it won't matter. You also said they weren't maxed, meaning the enemies level 30+ will kindly lay yours to rest. So either you're not facing proper attackers or simply told a fib about your defence log.

In which part am I wrong? The 30 forumers being 3k+ or 48-50 hog armies losing against most bases?

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The defense I lost while heroes were down won 50% getting the last percent with one archer so I am fairly confident that had i had heroes up I wouldn't have lost that one.

As I said before, I've been in champ league for several weeks now, which means I have clearly faced proper attackers, almost all of whom have lvl 40 heroes.

The ways in which you are wrong are your claim that hogs are gamechangers at 3k+ trophies, that anyone who complains about hogs must be a th8 farmer, and that you somehow think that you speak for all high trophy players.

Don't bother responding to this post because getting into an argument with you clearly isn't worth my time. You might be better off attending an anger management class.

Hogs in the hands of Champs are seriously deadly. Those skilled motherhoggers can 1-3 star any maxed base. It's so fun to see them fail... Except they don't... :rolleyes:

Hogs can be defeated by a well structured base. Ideally segments and spring traps make it good.

Yes, they're annoying. But can be beaten.

Learn, adapt, move on

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Originally Posted by AlphaCureMum

How many of them lured CC and Heroes? Well, the bottom one doesn't count. He raged his hogs. 2nd one would've lost his archers and wizards instantly if he tried luring cc and heroes, top one could have lured but a wiz in the CC would kill his 40 archers without hesitation. Posting this hardly means anything, idiot attackers will lose, I hope everyone has figured this out themselves by now.

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The argument was that hogs are so overpowered that idiots can use them and win. This appears not to be the case.

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Originally Posted by Botia

I personally love hog attacks, both on offense and defense.

http://i.imgur.com/ioVsmM7.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/jopGdMn.jpg

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You obviously don't care about cups and those motherhoggers were just farming. Horrible spells and combo... Come Champ League and I wanna hear you say "Let them roll" :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Mdrxc3

Wow...you actually made a coherent post.

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Lol, and he actually used English in a post rather than his usual trolly jibberish.

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Originally Posted by W3HRO

Hogs can be defeated by a well structured base. Ideally segments and spring traps make it good.

Yes, they're annoying. But can be beaten.

Learn, adapt, move on

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Learn and adapt to what?

Unless you have a highly developed TH10 and a very good setup up you lose if they lure CC and heroes, and place heal sensibly.

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Originally Posted by AlphaCureMum

How many of them lured CC and Heroes? Well, the bottom one doesn't count. He raged his hogs. 2nd one would've lost his archers and wizards instantly if he tried luring cc and heroes, top one could have lured but a wiz in the CC would kill his 40 archers without hesitation. Posting this hardly means anything, idiot attackers will lose, I hope everyone has figured this out themselves by now.

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Do any count? Here's a SS from Masters 2 (~2900 trophies). CC and Heroes lured. This is with a brand new th10. You can see the new xbow building. This is before the hog rider nerf. Hogs would almost always lose with an occasionally 50%.

http://i.imgur.com/1oMJ7J2.jpg

Personally I hope nothing happens to them in the short term. They are worse at the moment because they only take 30-40 mins to cook and thanks to the spell factory boost which is STILL going *sigh* it's very easy to support them with 3 spells in the same amount of time.

When spells finally get back to normal, I don't think it will be as bad. The 30-40 min army will need at least 1 1/2 hrs to have sufficient spells to support them.

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Originally Posted by Botia

Do any count? Here's a SS from Masters 2 (~2900 trophies). CC and Heroes lured. This is with a brand new th10. You can see the new xbow building. This is before the hog rider nerf. Hogs would almost always lose with an occasionally 50%.

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Why on earth would you make a screenshot of that?

It would almost seem like you did it to prove a point.

Losing to a brand new Th10 with the pre nerf hogs is just embarrassing.

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Originally Posted by PedroLee

You obviously don't care about cups and those motherhoggers were just farming. Horrible spells and combo... Come Champ League and I wanna hear you say "Let them roll" :rolleyes:

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True I'm just farming now and I appreciate the offer, but I prefer farming. There's just something about improving yourself that is very fulfilling.

When I did push trophies, I found it easier to gain trophies by defending. Winning 70-80% of defenses would gain more trophies than getting 10-15 from attacks. The downside is you only lose resources defending. Need to buy more bombs, air bombs, gem heroes, etc. At some point you run out.

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Originally Posted by Growler

Why on earth would you make a screenshot of that?

It would almost seem like you did it to prove a point.

Losing to a brand new Th10 with the pre nerf hogs is just embarrassing.

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I was defending.

What I was going to say before I was rudely interrupted, is that players which SUCCESSFULLY lure out BOTH your heroes and your CC have no problem 3 starring you. So your screenshots of no and fail lures do not count.

Also to the mod which does the messages in the reason for why you have been permanently banned, I see you're bored. When 'You know why' is the reason for a perm ban, what do I do?
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Originally Posted by Botia

I was defending.

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My mistake.

I'll have to check out your magical base later :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Botia

True I'm just farming now and I appreciate the offer, but I prefer farming. There's just something about improving yourself that is very fulfilling.

When I did push trophies, I found it easier to gain trophies by defending. Winning 70-80% of defenses would gain more trophies than getting 10-15 from attacks. The downside is you only lose resources defending. Need to buy more bombs, air bombs, gem heroes, etc. At some point you run out.

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Defense can get you 3k cup. Past that, you'd probably learn that pure offense is the key. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by PedroLee

Defense can get you 3k cup. Past that, you'd probably learn that pure offense is the key. :rolleyes:

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Yeah, if you've got the time or the gems. Kudos to those who do!

I must agree with op my defence is near to max for th9 and the only defences i have lost lately are all hogs and im down in gold 2 at the moment its getting beyond a joke

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Originally Posted by Drdoonta

I must agree with op my defence is near to max for th9 and the only defences i have lost lately are all hogs and im down in gold 2 at the moment its getting beyond a joke

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Apparently now you just need a near maxed TH8, with three devastating level 6 wiz towers.

I must have been hallucinating the heavily upgraded TH10's getting a going over in countless replays.

The hogs are simply too overpowered. And as Pedro said, you can test the expert hoggers rush on high end champion level. It is so frustrating.

One of the possible solution is to make Hogs space requirement into 8 space per hog .... and switching make Valkyrie space requirement into 5 space :p

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Originally Posted by Growler

Apparently now you just need a near maxed TH8, with three devastating level 6 wiz towers.

I must have been hallucinating the heavily upgraded TH10's getting a going over in countless replays.

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Lol, my argument was based on your comments of three staring a TH8 base with your eyes closed and no heal spells. I never said a near maxed TH 8 could withstand any hog attack.

Get your facts right ...

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Originally Posted by AlphaCureMum

This is exactly why I hate the forums. You're first sentence is your opinion based on the image of the '48 or 50 hog riders', that army will lose against most bases. You have not faced a proper attacker with hogs ever, so please DO NOT input on these threads. I am absolutely disgusted that there are so many inexperienced players commenting on topics they don't have a clue about. You and all your other stupid level 70 forumers don't have the slightest clue about how much hogs impact the game at 3k+, so when you say moronic things like you just did, it makes me lose hope for your kind. You keep talking about your farming level 8 town halls, while the 30 forumers in the 3k+ range currently talk about hogs.

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Oh my gosh, EXACTLY!

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Originally Posted by AlphaCureMum

This is exactly why I hate the forums. You're first sentence is your opinion based on the image of the '48 or 50 hog riders', that army will lose against most bases. You have not faced a proper attacker with hogs ever, so please DO NOT input on these threads. I am absolutely disgusted that there are so many inexperienced players commenting on topics they don't have a clue about. You and all your other stupid level 70 forumers don't have the slightest clue about how much hogs impact the game at 3k+, so when you say moronic things like you just did, it makes me lose hope for your kind. You keep talking about your farming level 8 town halls, while the 30 forumers in the 3k+ range currently talk about hogs.

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Funny how so many replies hated towards this. However, I completely agree with everything in this quote. :rolleyes:

Any skilled raider should be able to 2-3 star any base with maxed troops, 4-5 spells, and sensible deployment. This applies not only to hogs, but to all other combos as well. To me, this is the definition of being balanced.

At the same time, I understand how difficult it is to gain cups in champion league, and that when they lose a defense they lose too many cups. However, this is a separate issue from any combo being strong.

Please remember that this game is catered for players for all cup ranges, not just champion league players. Hogs are not over powered because it is not an auto-win button for any player, and only deadly in the hands of skilled raiders. That is the way any good combo should be. We should address the champion league cup problem separately from this, as nerfing the hogs any more would basically reduce their usage to almost none in lower cup ranges.

Without addressing the real issue here - champion league cup imbalance, any strong combo will be complained upon: mass dragons, gowipes, witches, hogs, on and on... and it will keep going on forever. Once we solve the cup issue, all these complaints will pretty much all be gone.

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Originally Posted by UnitySharp

Any skilled raider should be able to 2-3 star any base with maxed troops, 4-5 spells, and sensible deployment. This applies not only to hogs, but to all other combos as well. To me, this is the definition of being balanced.

At the same time, I understand how difficult it is to gain cups in champion league, and that when they lose a defense they lose too many cups. However, this is a separate issue from any combo being strong.

Please remember that this game is catered for players for all cup ranges, not just champion league players. Hogs are not over powered because it is not an auto-win button for any player, and only deadly in the hands of skilled raiders. That is the way any good combo should be. We should address the champion league cup problem separately from this, as nerfing the hogs any more would basically reduce their usage to almost none in lower cup ranges.

Without addressing the real issue here - champion league cup imbalance, any strong combo will be complained upon: mass dragons, gowipes, witches, hogs, on and on... and it will keep going on forever. Once we solve the cup issue, all these complaints will pretty much all be gone.

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well, for the most part I have to agree with you on the strong combo's in general.
But, and that was my point, hogs are low tier troops and since favorite target was added, they changed the game.
That kind of impact does not fit the hogrider, only high tier troops should be able to do that.

My guess was and still is that the Hog was a misfit, and they updated it to the point of OP.
So SC, power down those damn hogs. Please ;)

regards,

Bazzerk (Holland!!!2)

TH10 / 2700+ cups

They are not over powered. You are most likely under developed and not used to getting three stared. Everyone has hogs. Its not like you are the only one without them. Ive been 1-2 and 3 stared by them. Happens. Oh well.

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Originally Posted by Yette

They are not over powered. You are most likely under developed and not used to getting three stared. Everyone has hogs. Its not like you are the only one without them. Ive been 1-2 and 3 stared by them. Happens. Oh well.

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TH8, Figueres.. You obviously don't know what you're taking about.
Come Back when you passed Master 2 and maxed out.

Cheers 😉

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Originally Posted by UnitySharp

Any skilled raider should be able to 2-3 star any base with maxed troops, 4-5 spells, and sensible deployment. This applies not only to hogs, but to all other combos as well. To me, this is the definition of being balanced.

At the same time, I understand how difficult it is to gain cups in champion league, and that when they lose a defense they lose too many cups. However, this is a separate issue from any combo being strong.

Please remember that this game is catered for players for all cup ranges, not just champion league players. Hogs are not over powered because it is not an auto-win button for any player, and only deadly in the hands of skilled raiders. That is the way any good combo should be. We should address the champion league cup problem separately from this, as nerfing the hogs any more would basically reduce their usage to almost none in lower cup ranges.

Without addressing the real issue here - champion league cup imbalance, any strong combo will be complained upon: mass dragons, gowipes, witches, hogs, on and on... and it will keep going on forever. Once we solve the cup issue, all these complaints will pretty much all be gone.

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This. Especially the parts I bolded. 1000% agree lol.

The biggest setback when going on defense in champ league is not getting hogged or witch raided or w/e, it's the trophy level of the person who raids you being so unpredictable and varied. Like mentioned above, any skilled raider with max troops and max spells should and will be able to at least 1 star a maxed base fairly easily.

The most devastating part of defense isn't whether its hogs or witches etc, it's the chance that someone in master league will happen to land on your base - which if they are a skilled player will result in massive trophy loss (as opposed to if anther champ raids you which isn't nearly so devastating).

I've been on 2800-3000 trophies range for about a month and poor HOGS are not what they used to be anymore.

You have to spend between 100-250k lurking for a base without an anti-Hog layout to get 2 stars...

Most players have adapted to the threat and they are easily neutralized these days. Even my puny town hall 9 has beaten max lvl hogs and 4 heal spells...

If you have a TH10 and you use an anti-hog layout, forget it hogs will fail. They will run around the base and xbows and infernos will end them.

Nowadays I switch armys for my raids between hogs, gowipe and witches... It's very easy to 1 star a anti-hog base with gowipe because their defenses are scattered... Hogs introduced a new dynamic to the game and are usable again in some cases.

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Now if you attack with lvl 40 heroes the outcome may be different :-)

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Originally Posted by Bazzerk

Dear SuperCell,


Since The updated hogriders, they have a favorite target (defense) and have become pretty much unstopable.
I sugest seriously powerering down the hogriders, or remove favorite target (So they can become aware of clancastle troops, and attack all buildings) and lower movement speed.
The latest reduce in power, simply doesn't cut it.

I think SC made a bad move for this low tier Dark unit to be able to turn maxed out bases into rubble, because that's what's happening right now..
That's something only high tier units and good tactics should be able to do!

Speculation:
Not much players used the hogrider prior to the favorite target update, I guess SC knows they made a bad unit and updated it. Thereby creating a unit that is completely overpowered.

Supercell, please make this right.

Regards,

Bazzerk

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I have to agree 100%. Hogs must and will change if SC follows it's usual form. Have checked out some of the bases belonging to some of these forumers supporting hogs. Mostly premature TH 10s with lovely purple walls;real PIG STYS. You can see why they are 3000+ trophies,won on the back of countless hog raids. Used to be 3000+ trophy range was worthy of respect;a sign of good attack and defense skills,now anyone who can afford hogs and spells can join the most elite of clubs,or demolish a top 10 player's base!! Well, there goes the neighbourhood:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Queenslander

I have to agree 100%. Hogs must and will change if SC follows it's usual form.

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Let's hope so!

About 80% bases I come across have anti-hog layout, that should ring some bells.
Ofcourse there are more combinations troops that are equally lethal, but those are all max tier.
Turning brutal bases into rubble should only be possible with high lvl/tier units and sensible tactics.

My point is that the hogs kinda came out of nowhere, when they updated them.
Especially with four of five healing spells they become pretty much unstopable.

I seriously think SC needs to power down the hogriders, even more then the witch, because that's a max tier unit wich schold be powerfull As they are costly to build and upgrade.
I'd like to see favorite target removed, and lifepoints reduced by about 25%.
Then they become a good asset, as they should be. No more, no less.

SC, please make this right.

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Originally Posted by Bazzerk

Let's hope so!

About 80% bases I come across have anti-hog layout, that should ring some bells.
Ofcourse there are more combinations troops that are equally lethal, but those are all max tier.
Turning brutal bases into rubble should only be possible with high lvl/tier units and sensible tactics.

My point is that the hogs kinda came out of nowhere, when they updated them.
Especially with four of five healing spells they become pretty much unstopable.

I seriously think SC needs to power down the hogriders, even more then the witch, because that's a max tier unit wich schold be powerfull As they are costly to build and upgrade.
I'd like to see favorite target removed, and lifepoints reduced by about 25%.
Then they become a good asset, as they should be. No more, no less.

SC, please make this right.

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SC decides to change a unit that no one, except the ones who misclicked when they were supposed to train Minions, used. Now they are actually useful, and arguably very strong when used versus certain base types. I get that. But your advice on how SC should "fix" them is just ludicrous, take away their preference for Defenses and reduce their hitpoints by 25%, and ladi-da, there you have it - the same unit that no one will ever use again, like pre-buffed ones. I'm no enthusiastic hogger myself and I have not been pushing masters+ yet, but these fixes just sound silly. Maybe you should try to join those 80 % which use anti-hog layouts? :rolleyes: besides, you also have the opportunity to run mass hogs, have some fun with them and give it a try while the spell factory boost lasts! Hog attacks won't be as prevalent after it ends, I would think.

It sounds like the hog debate is not about the hogs themselves and their power, but rather if a tier 1 DE troop should be competitive?



Personally you can't compare DE troops to elixir as far as tier. Hogs are unlocked around the same time as dragons. DE is a harder to come by resource. I'm not saying hogs are expensive but they cost a valuable resource.


Aside from that I enjoy having some trophy pushing units available to me that do not require an hours wait. Its just too long for me. I'd like to see the Valk join the hog as a faster, albeit more expensive, training troop that can hold its own in champion (which I think could be done by adjusting her training time and perhaps cost)

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Originally Posted by Rastis

SC decides to change a unit that no one, except the ones who misclicked when they were supposed to train Minions, used. Now they are actually useful, and arguably very strong when used versus certain base types. I get that. But your advice on how SC should "fix" them is just ludicrous, take away their preference for Defenses and reduce their hitpoints by 25%, and ladi-da, there you have it - the same unit that no one will ever use again, like pre-buffed ones. I'm no enthusiastic hogger myself and I have not been pushing masters+ yet, but these fixes just sound silly. Maybe you should try to join those 80 % which use anti-hog layouts? :rolleyes: besides, you also have the opportunity to run mass hogs, have some fun with them and give it a try while the spell factory boost lasts! Hog attacks won't be as prevalent after it ends, I would think.

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Thanks for proving my point.. you've never been master + or even pushed trophy's. So you ladi-da don't know what you're talking about.
Ofcourse i have anti-hog layout, believe me, you need it!
My TH10 base has all def 1 lvl prior to max or maxed already, infernos, 2858 cups and have been playing for about two years, so yes, I do know what i'm talking about.
When you're pushing trophy's, you wanna take out def so you can take down TH. When you are farming, you wanna take recourses, so that makes your comment more or less irrelevant.
You were never confronted with 40+ lvl5 hogriders, 5 lvl6 heal spells, a bunch of wiz and clancaste to top it off, losing 2 in every 3 defense against hogs.

My base beats Go-wipes 3 out of 4, such as: 3 golem5, 10+ wiz6, witches 2, five rage lvl5 and the likes of almost any mighty army, accept for the most part those hogs.. that's not rigtht, and it aint easy to change the outcome!
The impact this unit has on the game since they buffed it, is way, way to big.
That's not a story, it's a fact.
Come back when you pushed trophy's and tell me you don't think hogriders are overpowered, as apposed to high / max tier units.

In the mean time, have fun farming ;)

I love how you mock my game progression and inexperience, skipping over what my post was all about: your suggestion of how to "fix" the hogs. It would make them worse than before they got buffed, and no one would use hogs after that, they would not even be useful assets. Anyway, if I came across as offensive, I apologize - I just think your ideas on how the hogs should be nerfed are very radical. Would not A movement speed nerf and/or a DPS nerf would be more relevant? Would you also care to enlighten us on how you have been able to play Clash for about two years, seeing it was released in August 2012?
From what I've picked up from base design and assessment threads, anti-hog bases would generally be more vulnerable to GoWiPes and mass air due to the placement of defenses, is this wrong? Just wondering, since you use an anti-hog base that also is able to counter GoWiPe and almost any other mighty army, using your own words. I'm not trying to mess with you, I'm just asking since you admittedly have more knowledge than me on this topic, being TH10.

Peace out!

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Thanks for proving my point.. you've never been master + or even pushed trophy's. So you ladi-da don't know what you're talking about.
Ofcourse i have anti-hog layout, believe me, you need it!
My TH10 base has all def 1 lvl prior to max or maxed already, infernos, 2858 cups and have been playing for about two years, so yes, I do know what i'm talking about.
When you're pushing trophy's, you wanna take out def so you can take down TH. When you are farming, you wanna take recourses, so that makes your comment more or less irrelevant.
You were never confronted with 40+ lvl5 hogriders, 5 lvl6 heal spells, a bunch of wiz and clancaste to top it off, losing 2 in every 3 defense against hogs.

My base beats Go-wipes 3 out of 4, such as: 3 golem5, 10+ wiz6, witches 2, five rage lvl5 and the likes of almost any mighty army, accept for the most part those hogs.. that's not rigtht, and it aint easy to change the outcome!
The impact this unit has on the game since they buffed it, is way, way to big.
That's not a story, it's a fact.
Come back when you pushed trophy's and tell me you don't think hogriders are overpowered, as apposed to high / max tier units.

In the mean time, have fun farming ;)

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Yeah they are a bit OP, let em roll and you are totally dead. We need a defense against them..Hog Tower anyone?

I am using an "ANTI hog base". That I am going to approve today it is totally useless. Hogs need to be nerf or I am done with this game.

http://i43.tinypic.com/258b1q9.png

I have made this suggestion a few times and never heard a good reason why not ... limit each level of hog as to the level of wall they can jump so, for example,
lvl1 can jump walls level 1-5
lvl2 can jump 1-6
lvl3 can jump 1-7
lvl4 can jump 1-8 and
lvl5 can jump 1-9

That way SC encourages 'investment' in walls, re-engages the disenfranchised people who have already made the investment and now feel it was a complete waste of money/time, and all will be well in the world ;)

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I am using an "ANTI hog base". That I am going to approve today it is totally useless. Hogs need to be nerf or I am done with this game.

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Those defeats suck and really take a toll on ya... But, anti hog bases only works well if your heroes are awake and you CC castle is full of Wizards lvl 5 and above (7+2archers)...

Hogs became a little OP after that update and they were trying to make them worse which i think is funny thinking about how they did the opposite of helping! lol

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Ofcourse i have anti-hog layout, believe me, you need it!
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My base beats Go-wipes 3 out of 4, such as:
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losing 2 in every 3 defense against hogs.

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I have base state more or leass equal to yours. I would say that it is even slightly weaker(I have some buildings, mostly cannons, 2 lvl prior the max). Also played at pretty close ratings. 8 of about 10 last hog attacks were failed on my def(which is true anti-hog). 2 wins were 1-star wins against base with empty CC.

But anti-hog base is WEAKER against GoWiPe . So I if you do win most GoWiPes without fully maxed def buildings, than I would suspect that your base is not actually anti-hog one ;)

Gamedevelopers gave us a chose different base layouts to counter different tactics. I would say that is great!

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I am using an "ANTI hog base". That I am going to approve today it is totally useless. Hogs need to be nerf or I am done with this game.

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Before you quit, could you please provide your base screen-shot. I wanna see "anti-hog base that is totally useless" :D:D:D

Use giant bombs, they are really worth it against hogs. SC should rename them to hog rider bombs.

Removing favorite target wouldn't help at all, my clanmate from my old clan was using them even before they were buffed (that's right - buffed) and he could 3 star any maxed out TH9 base. His first loss with them was when SC changed their target to defense and he did not notice that so he deployed them wrong

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Before you quit, could you please provide your base screen-shot. I wanna see "anti-hog base that is totally useless" :D:D:D

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Could you please provide YOUR base screen-shot. You have questioned the quality of two different players' bases in two different hog threads, and it would be helpful to see what really makes a good anti-hog base. Personally,I can't see logic in sacrificing a good base that defends well against all other forms of attack,just to be able to beat hog attacks. The game's balance is well and truly off when one low tier cheap troop can run amok in generally well constructed bases. Common sense dictates a further nerf for the piggies. Thanx.:rolleyes:

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Could you please provide YOUR base screen-shot.

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NP
People in my clan who cares about pigs use something like this:
http://img.maryno.net/preview/5c970a...3f46e19f82.gif
http://img.maryno.net/preview/5c970a...5b2bfb1252.gif

This is mine(I am very greedy so i try to save more gold in the core :D )
http://img.maryno.net/preview/5c970a...ec2b59976d.gif


The basic idea of such layouts is to force pigs to move around the "core" with xbows/infernos. This works perfectly. You CC and heroes should be close to the center to make it harder to lure them(this is true for all layouts, not only for anti-hog).

For Th9 I would recommend something like this: http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...xodias-base%29

It is still doable with hogs but attacker must be really skilled.

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Personally,I can't see logic in sacrificing a good base that defends well against all other forms of attack,just to be able to beat hog attacks.

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I wouldn't call it "sacrificing". I would call it "making slightly weaker". BTW there are a lot of TH10 people with FULLY maxed defences who stays on their old layouts - their bases can handle hog's attack after hog's nerf.

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The game's balance is well and truly off when one low tier cheap troop can run amok in generally well constructed bases.

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Pigs army is MORE expensive than GoWiPe in cost of DE, and more or less equal in gold. Normal elixir is the less important resource. Why do you call it cheap?
Pigs are cheaper than witches - that is true. But mass-witches are much more powerful.

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NP
People in my clan who cares about pigs use something like this:
http://img.maryno.net/preview/5c970a...3f46e19f82.gif
http://img.maryno.net/preview/5c970a...5b2bfb1252.gif

This is mine(I am very greedy so i try to save more gold in the core :D )
http://img.maryno.net/preview/5c970a...ec2b59976d.gif


The basic idea of such layouts is to force pigs to move around the "core" with xbows/infernos. This works perfectly. You CC and heroes should be close to the center to make it harder to lure them(this is true for all layouts, not only for anti-hog).

For Th9 I would recommend something like this: http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...xodias-base%29

It is still doable with hogs but attacker must be really skilled.



I wouldn't call it "sacrificing". I would call it "making slightly weaker". BTW there are a lot of TH10 people with FULLY maxed defences who stays on their old layouts - their bases can handle hog's attack after hog's nerf.



Pigs army is MORE expensive than GoWiPe in cost of DE, and more or less equal in gold. Normal elixir is the less important resource. Why do you call it cheap?
Pigs are cheaper than witches - that is true. But mass-witches are much more powerful.

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Cobok, thank you for your reply. Question: What changes would you incorporate if hogs were nerfed? If hogs were nerfed and Valkyries boosted, how would you compensate? Would you then be using Valkyries instead of hogs?
Mass witches seem a thing of the past. Mass hogs are in. Are mass Valkyries yet to come? Can you see a pattern?:rolleyes:

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Cobok, thank you for your reply. Question: What changes would you incorporate if hogs were nerfed?

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at less than 2500 I wouldn't change anything - this layout also works well against giants and baloons(they fail by the same way as hogs). At higher levels I would probably make it more compact.

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If hogs were nerfed and Valkyries boosted, how would you compensate?

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I have no idea :confused: First we need playable Valkyries to become true, than we would see.

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Mass witches seem a thing of the past.

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As far as I know they exist at champions levels. Even at 2400 I was attacked by mix of GoWiPe and mass-witches about a week ago.

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ow-to-make-one

While I agree Hogs are fairly powerful, I still disagree that what people say about them. In the hands of a good player, they can three- star fairly regularly. However, isn't that sort of the point of Clash of Clans? No one ever complained about mass dragons, and you win in exactly the same manner : spamming all the troops as quickly as possible, timing rages. With hogs, you need to be able to draw out the cc, archer queen and barbarian king, and time healing spells.

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While I agree Hogs are fairly powerful, I still disagree that what people say about them. In the hands of a good player, they can three- star fairly regularly. However, isn't that sort of the point of Clash of Clans? No one ever complained about mass dragons, and you win in exactly the same manner : spamming all the troops as quickly as possible, timing rages. With hogs, you need to be able to draw out the cc, archer queen and barbarian king, and time healing spells.

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three star regularly is the problem here, at least in the champion league. It gives you the huge boost in cups and help the hog players move up very quickly in the rank. The bigger range of trophies in the search in champion league (because of less players) result in 1-45+ trophies rewarded for a win. The 45 cups could take hours even days for people to win a few cups at a time with other troops combo. It's possible to get 3 star with other troop combo but lot more rare. It's almost impossible to 3 star a good base with all dragon attack.

The hogs are OP. The anti hog bases are useless in hand of good hog players as they deploy hogs to make a hole in outside def ring and go straight to middle (core).

Just take a look at how many new people in the top ranking and how quickly they have climbed up. All thanks to hogs.

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Hogriders can easily be defeated, I remember a guy around here showed a defense against 48 or 50 hogriders and they did not even make it past 20%

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Let me guess, those were level 1 hogs right? Tell you what, yet attacked by level +3 hogs and heal spells, then we'll talk

After having seen numerous replays by my clanmates on their mass hogs attacks and getting attacked by mass hogs, I do agree that the hog rider is a bit OP. Not as much as everyone says, but certainly they need a bit of a nerf.

As I recall, someone had a pretty good way to nerf them that is not too extreme: increase the housing space back to 6. Less hogs available for mass raids means less likelyhood that they will 3 start a base. They'll still remain more than useful and can make for excellent offensive/support units. But they won't be so terribly OP.

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As I recall, someone had a pretty good way to nerf them that is not too extreme: increase the housing space back to 6. Less hogs available for mass raids means less likelyhood that they will 3 start a base. They'll still remain more than useful and can make for excellent offensive/support units. But they won't be so terribly OP.

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That sounds like a pretty darn good idea.

People are so afraid of losing, they forget about winning!

But certainly not whining!