Hogriders Overpowered

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Originally Posted by Queenslander

Could you please provide YOUR base screen-shot.

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NP
People in my clan who cares about pigs use something like this:
http://img.maryno.net/preview/5c970a...3f46e19f82.gif
http://img.maryno.net/preview/5c970a...5b2bfb1252.gif

This is mine(I am very greedy so i try to save more gold in the core :D )
http://img.maryno.net/preview/5c970a...ec2b59976d.gif


The basic idea of such layouts is to force pigs to move around the "core" with xbows/infernos. This works perfectly. You CC and heroes should be close to the center to make it harder to lure them(this is true for all layouts, not only for anti-hog).

For Th9 I would recommend something like this: http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...xodias-base%29

It is still doable with hogs but attacker must be really skilled.

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Personally,I can't see logic in sacrificing a good base that defends well against all other forms of attack,just to be able to beat hog attacks.

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I wouldn't call it "sacrificing". I would call it "making slightly weaker". BTW there are a lot of TH10 people with FULLY maxed defences who stays on their old layouts - their bases can handle hog's attack after hog's nerf.

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The game's balance is well and truly off when one low tier cheap troop can run amok in generally well constructed bases.

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Pigs army is MORE expensive than GoWiPe in cost of DE, and more or less equal in gold. Normal elixir is the less important resource. Why do you call it cheap?
Pigs are cheaper than witches - that is true. But mass-witches are much more powerful.

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Originally Posted by COBOK

NP
People in my clan who cares about pigs use something like this:
http://img.maryno.net/preview/5c970a...3f46e19f82.gif
http://img.maryno.net/preview/5c970a...5b2bfb1252.gif

This is mine(I am very greedy so i try to save more gold in the core :D )
http://img.maryno.net/preview/5c970a...ec2b59976d.gif


The basic idea of such layouts is to force pigs to move around the "core" with xbows/infernos. This works perfectly. You CC and heroes should be close to the center to make it harder to lure them(this is true for all layouts, not only for anti-hog).

For Th9 I would recommend something like this: http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...xodias-base%29

It is still doable with hogs but attacker must be really skilled.



I wouldn't call it "sacrificing". I would call it "making slightly weaker". BTW there are a lot of TH10 people with FULLY maxed defences who stays on their old layouts - their bases can handle hog's attack after hog's nerf.



Pigs army is MORE expensive than GoWiPe in cost of DE, and more or less equal in gold. Normal elixir is the less important resource. Why do you call it cheap?
Pigs are cheaper than witches - that is true. But mass-witches are much more powerful.

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Cobok, thank you for your reply. Question: What changes would you incorporate if hogs were nerfed? If hogs were nerfed and Valkyries boosted, how would you compensate? Would you then be using Valkyries instead of hogs?
Mass witches seem a thing of the past. Mass hogs are in. Are mass Valkyries yet to come? Can you see a pattern?:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Queenslander

Cobok, thank you for your reply. Question: What changes would you incorporate if hogs were nerfed?

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at less than 2500 I wouldn't change anything - this layout also works well against giants and baloons(they fail by the same way as hogs). At higher levels I would probably make it more compact.

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If hogs were nerfed and Valkyries boosted, how would you compensate?

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I have no idea :confused: First we need playable Valkyries to become true, than we would see.

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Originally Posted by Queenslander

Mass witches seem a thing of the past.

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As far as I know they exist at champions levels. Even at 2400 I was attacked by mix of GoWiPe and mass-witches about a week ago.

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ow-to-make-one

While I agree Hogs are fairly powerful, I still disagree that what people say about them. In the hands of a good player, they can three- star fairly regularly. However, isn't that sort of the point of Clash of Clans? No one ever complained about mass dragons, and you win in exactly the same manner : spamming all the troops as quickly as possible, timing rages. With hogs, you need to be able to draw out the cc, archer queen and barbarian king, and time healing spells.

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Originally Posted by cyng99

While I agree Hogs are fairly powerful, I still disagree that what people say about them. In the hands of a good player, they can three- star fairly regularly. However, isn't that sort of the point of Clash of Clans? No one ever complained about mass dragons, and you win in exactly the same manner : spamming all the troops as quickly as possible, timing rages. With hogs, you need to be able to draw out the cc, archer queen and barbarian king, and time healing spells.

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three star regularly is the problem here, at least in the champion league. It gives you the huge boost in cups and help the hog players move up very quickly in the rank. The bigger range of trophies in the search in champion league (because of less players) result in 1-45+ trophies rewarded for a win. The 45 cups could take hours even days for people to win a few cups at a time with other troops combo. It's possible to get 3 star with other troop combo but lot more rare. It's almost impossible to 3 star a good base with all dragon attack.

The hogs are OP. The anti hog bases are useless in hand of good hog players as they deploy hogs to make a hole in outside def ring and go straight to middle (core).

Just take a look at how many new people in the top ranking and how quickly they have climbed up. All thanks to hogs.

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Originally Posted by Bakhoumgeorge

Hogriders can easily be defeated, I remember a guy around here showed a defense against 48 or 50 hogriders and they did not even make it past 20%

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Let me guess, those were level 1 hogs right? Tell you what, yet attacked by level +3 hogs and heal spells, then we'll talk

After having seen numerous replays by my clanmates on their mass hogs attacks and getting attacked by mass hogs, I do agree that the hog rider is a bit OP. Not as much as everyone says, but certainly they need a bit of a nerf.

As I recall, someone had a pretty good way to nerf them that is not too extreme: increase the housing space back to 6. Less hogs available for mass raids means less likelyhood that they will 3 start a base. They'll still remain more than useful and can make for excellent offensive/support units. But they won't be so terribly OP.

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Originally Posted by Supergoji18

As I recall, someone had a pretty good way to nerf them that is not too extreme: increase the housing space back to 6. Less hogs available for mass raids means less likelyhood that they will 3 start a base. They'll still remain more than useful and can make for excellent offensive/support units. But they won't be so terribly OP.

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That sounds like a pretty darn good idea.