Hogriders Overpowered

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Originally Posted by UnitySharp

Any skilled raider should be able to 2-3 star any base with maxed troops, 4-5 spells, and sensible deployment. This applies not only to hogs, but to all other combos as well. To me, this is the definition of being balanced.

At the same time, I understand how difficult it is to gain cups in champion league, and that when they lose a defense they lose too many cups. However, this is a separate issue from any combo being strong.

Please remember that this game is catered for players for all cup ranges, not just champion league players. Hogs are not over powered because it is not an auto-win button for any player, and only deadly in the hands of skilled raiders. That is the way any good combo should be. We should address the champion league cup problem separately from this, as nerfing the hogs any more would basically reduce their usage to almost none in lower cup ranges.

Without addressing the real issue here - champion league cup imbalance, any strong combo will be complained upon: mass dragons, gowipes, witches, hogs, on and on... and it will keep going on forever. Once we solve the cup issue, all these complaints will pretty much all be gone.

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well, for the most part I have to agree with you on the strong combo's in general.
But, and that was my point, hogs are low tier troops and since favorite target was added, they changed the game.
That kind of impact does not fit the hogrider, only high tier troops should be able to do that.

My guess was and still is that the Hog was a misfit, and they updated it to the point of OP.
So SC, power down those damn hogs. Please ;)

regards,

Bazzerk (Holland!!!2)

TH10 / 2700+ cups

They are not over powered. You are most likely under developed and not used to getting three stared. Everyone has hogs. Its not like you are the only one without them. Ive been 1-2 and 3 stared by them. Happens. Oh well.

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Originally Posted by Yette

They are not over powered. You are most likely under developed and not used to getting three stared. Everyone has hogs. Its not like you are the only one without them. Ive been 1-2 and 3 stared by them. Happens. Oh well.

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TH8, Figueres.. You obviously don't know what you're taking about.
Come Back when you passed Master 2 and maxed out.

Cheers 😉

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Originally Posted by UnitySharp

Any skilled raider should be able to 2-3 star any base with maxed troops, 4-5 spells, and sensible deployment. This applies not only to hogs, but to all other combos as well. To me, this is the definition of being balanced.

At the same time, I understand how difficult it is to gain cups in champion league, and that when they lose a defense they lose too many cups. However, this is a separate issue from any combo being strong.

Please remember that this game is catered for players for all cup ranges, not just champion league players. Hogs are not over powered because it is not an auto-win button for any player, and only deadly in the hands of skilled raiders. That is the way any good combo should be. We should address the champion league cup problem separately from this, as nerfing the hogs any more would basically reduce their usage to almost none in lower cup ranges.

Without addressing the real issue here - champion league cup imbalance, any strong combo will be complained upon: mass dragons, gowipes, witches, hogs, on and on... and it will keep going on forever. Once we solve the cup issue, all these complaints will pretty much all be gone.

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This. Especially the parts I bolded. 1000% agree lol.

The biggest setback when going on defense in champ league is not getting hogged or witch raided or w/e, it's the trophy level of the person who raids you being so unpredictable and varied. Like mentioned above, any skilled raider with max troops and max spells should and will be able to at least 1 star a maxed base fairly easily.

The most devastating part of defense isn't whether its hogs or witches etc, it's the chance that someone in master league will happen to land on your base - which if they are a skilled player will result in massive trophy loss (as opposed to if anther champ raids you which isn't nearly so devastating).

I've been on 2800-3000 trophies range for about a month and poor HOGS are not what they used to be anymore.

You have to spend between 100-250k lurking for a base without an anti-Hog layout to get 2 stars...

Most players have adapted to the threat and they are easily neutralized these days. Even my puny town hall 9 has beaten max lvl hogs and 4 heal spells...

If you have a TH10 and you use an anti-hog layout, forget it hogs will fail. They will run around the base and xbows and infernos will end them.

Nowadays I switch armys for my raids between hogs, gowipe and witches... It's very easy to 1 star a anti-hog base with gowipe because their defenses are scattered... Hogs introduced a new dynamic to the game and are usable again in some cases.

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Now if you attack with lvl 40 heroes the outcome may be different :-)

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Originally Posted by Bazzerk

Dear SuperCell,


Since The updated hogriders, they have a favorite target (defense) and have become pretty much unstopable.
I sugest seriously powerering down the hogriders, or remove favorite target (So they can become aware of clancastle troops, and attack all buildings) and lower movement speed.
The latest reduce in power, simply doesn't cut it.

I think SC made a bad move for this low tier Dark unit to be able to turn maxed out bases into rubble, because that's what's happening right now..
That's something only high tier units and good tactics should be able to do!

Speculation:
Not much players used the hogrider prior to the favorite target update, I guess SC knows they made a bad unit and updated it. Thereby creating a unit that is completely overpowered.

Supercell, please make this right.

Regards,

Bazzerk

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I have to agree 100%. Hogs must and will change if SC follows it's usual form. Have checked out some of the bases belonging to some of these forumers supporting hogs. Mostly premature TH 10s with lovely purple walls;real PIG STYS. You can see why they are 3000+ trophies,won on the back of countless hog raids. Used to be 3000+ trophy range was worthy of respect;a sign of good attack and defense skills,now anyone who can afford hogs and spells can join the most elite of clubs,or demolish a top 10 player's base!! Well, there goes the neighbourhood:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Queenslander

I have to agree 100%. Hogs must and will change if SC follows it's usual form.

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Let's hope so!

About 80% bases I come across have anti-hog layout, that should ring some bells.
Ofcourse there are more combinations troops that are equally lethal, but those are all max tier.
Turning brutal bases into rubble should only be possible with high lvl/tier units and sensible tactics.

My point is that the hogs kinda came out of nowhere, when they updated them.
Especially with four of five healing spells they become pretty much unstopable.

I seriously think SC needs to power down the hogriders, even more then the witch, because that's a max tier unit wich schold be powerfull As they are costly to build and upgrade.
I'd like to see favorite target removed, and lifepoints reduced by about 25%.
Then they become a good asset, as they should be. No more, no less.

SC, please make this right.

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Originally Posted by Bazzerk

Let's hope so!

About 80% bases I come across have anti-hog layout, that should ring some bells.
Ofcourse there are more combinations troops that are equally lethal, but those are all max tier.
Turning brutal bases into rubble should only be possible with high lvl/tier units and sensible tactics.

My point is that the hogs kinda came out of nowhere, when they updated them.
Especially with four of five healing spells they become pretty much unstopable.

I seriously think SC needs to power down the hogriders, even more then the witch, because that's a max tier unit wich schold be powerfull As they are costly to build and upgrade.
I'd like to see favorite target removed, and lifepoints reduced by about 25%.
Then they become a good asset, as they should be. No more, no less.

SC, please make this right.

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SC decides to change a unit that no one, except the ones who misclicked when they were supposed to train Minions, used. Now they are actually useful, and arguably very strong when used versus certain base types. I get that. But your advice on how SC should "fix" them is just ludicrous, take away their preference for Defenses and reduce their hitpoints by 25%, and ladi-da, there you have it - the same unit that no one will ever use again, like pre-buffed ones. I'm no enthusiastic hogger myself and I have not been pushing masters+ yet, but these fixes just sound silly. Maybe you should try to join those 80 % which use anti-hog layouts? :rolleyes: besides, you also have the opportunity to run mass hogs, have some fun with them and give it a try while the spell factory boost lasts! Hog attacks won't be as prevalent after it ends, I would think.

It sounds like the hog debate is not about the hogs themselves and their power, but rather if a tier 1 DE troop should be competitive?



Personally you can't compare DE troops to elixir as far as tier. Hogs are unlocked around the same time as dragons. DE is a harder to come by resource. I'm not saying hogs are expensive but they cost a valuable resource.


Aside from that I enjoy having some trophy pushing units available to me that do not require an hours wait. Its just too long for me. I'd like to see the Valk join the hog as a faster, albeit more expensive, training troop that can hold its own in champion (which I think could be done by adjusting her training time and perhaps cost)

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Originally Posted by Rastis

SC decides to change a unit that no one, except the ones who misclicked when they were supposed to train Minions, used. Now they are actually useful, and arguably very strong when used versus certain base types. I get that. But your advice on how SC should "fix" them is just ludicrous, take away their preference for Defenses and reduce their hitpoints by 25%, and ladi-da, there you have it - the same unit that no one will ever use again, like pre-buffed ones. I'm no enthusiastic hogger myself and I have not been pushing masters+ yet, but these fixes just sound silly. Maybe you should try to join those 80 % which use anti-hog layouts? :rolleyes: besides, you also have the opportunity to run mass hogs, have some fun with them and give it a try while the spell factory boost lasts! Hog attacks won't be as prevalent after it ends, I would think.

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Thanks for proving my point.. you've never been master + or even pushed trophy's. So you ladi-da don't know what you're talking about.
Ofcourse i have anti-hog layout, believe me, you need it!
My TH10 base has all def 1 lvl prior to max or maxed already, infernos, 2858 cups and have been playing for about two years, so yes, I do know what i'm talking about.
When you're pushing trophy's, you wanna take out def so you can take down TH. When you are farming, you wanna take recourses, so that makes your comment more or less irrelevant.
You were never confronted with 40+ lvl5 hogriders, 5 lvl6 heal spells, a bunch of wiz and clancaste to top it off, losing 2 in every 3 defense against hogs.

My base beats Go-wipes 3 out of 4, such as: 3 golem5, 10+ wiz6, witches 2, five rage lvl5 and the likes of almost any mighty army, accept for the most part those hogs.. that's not rigtht, and it aint easy to change the outcome!
The impact this unit has on the game since they buffed it, is way, way to big.
That's not a story, it's a fact.
Come back when you pushed trophy's and tell me you don't think hogriders are overpowered, as apposed to high / max tier units.

In the mean time, have fun farming ;)