So my friend was in my shop. She bought 20 silo from me. In totally separate but nearby slots, I put 20 more. They never appeared to her. They were there for a few seconds. BOT snatched. Only then did they appear to her. Does the software work by delaying the appearance of items to others?
Also, if we have been targeted because we shared our farm ID number here, then why has another friend been targeted when she hasn't shared her farm ID with anyone?
Its probably not because you shared your ID, more likely because you (both) often help other farms, watering and filling boats.So you appear in the "last helpers" list to some botter/hacker.
Whenever you put something in your shop there may be server lag. I notice this when transferring stock between two of my farms. Sometimes items appear in the shop immediately; on other occasions there can be a short delay before they show.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nestof3
She hasn't helped anyone in ads for months because she got tired of them hanging out in her shop throughout the day buying all the good stuff.
This was at least a ten minute lag because I stopped and messaged her to let her know I had put more in shop -- in totally different slots. If you put in the same slot, someone coming in can see them before the person waiting for the slot to refresh can. She said the screws did not show up in my shop until I messaged her. That's a long delay.
I still cannot get an answer as to how the BOT knows I'm selling. Will I ever be able to give upgrade to someone without her getting it first?
I also haven't helped anyone in ads in days. I will no longer help anyone that way, nor will I ever trade with anyone from here.
Wow. That's harsh. Helping farmers is a big part of this game. Have you been doing boat orders during the event? If yes, then anyone who catches you on the most recent contributors list on the event board can visit your shop. I've never heard of a bot hanging out in someone's shop buying stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nestof3
You, sir, are a lucky person.☺Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdome757
I'm sorry. If you knew me, you'd know that I love helping people. It's one of my favorite aspects of the game, and if you ask the people I've traded with, most would tell you I give extra items during my trades. I've finished upgrading all my buildings now that I've reached sizes divisible by 100 or 1000 (6000/5000/500 B/S/T). So I've been enjoying helping others upgrade. I was still trading some to help others and almost always added extra upgrade and sometimes extra products. My shop also is nearly always full of products including the really good stuff to help people.
As for helping boats, if I ever bought anything from a RSS and the person had crates open, I filled. If I ever bought an upgrade item from a shop, I filled regardless of what the crate asked for -- feathers, lobsters, anything.
This BOT stealing thing has ruined it for me. I've run several tests, and the tests have confirmed it is a BOT. Once Supercell figures out how to deal with this, maybe I can return to usual play. ☹️
Have you contacted in game support? If not, be sure to include any screenshots with your report.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nestof3
Yes. They said essentially that it's not possible for a BOT to buy from a shop.
They were receptive to photos of farms I sent them that I believe are BOTS based on what they look like in ads. I'm not saying those same BOT farms do anything other than automatically harvest and sell wheat using a program, but I figure Supercell can figure that out.
The responses are also form letters, so I'm not really sure they are even read carefully, you know?
Where it reads "was this helpful" tap no and send another note. The first response is always generic for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nestof3
I did, thank you.
And the reason I cannot trade is that there's a strong probability it will be grabbed, so I don't want to take the risk. ☹️
I trade with the person close on hand only. But I too have had people hang around my shop and it's upsetting. I've leaned to press not taking friends requests and i check my followers often and kick them off. Most of my family has farms so I mostly trade with them and they are right by me to get the stuff quickly ��. I help the members in my league upgrade there stuff from what's left over in the day but my husband is far more generous than me. It's fun to help others, don't let a few bad players ruin it!
Sadly these are not people taking the upgrade, so it doesn't matter how careful you are.
I don't even understand what bots are. Is my friend's farm now bot farm cuz she can't play anymore?
Doesn't matter what support said, BOT that can buy from shop is real deal. Some people call this DOGBOT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nestof3
My farm was infected with this BOT and I have no idea to fix this. BOT only buy SEMs/BEMs with 1 coin but if I put default price BOT will not buy it. This way we can say that BOT who can buy from shop is exist.
I have no idea how they visit my farm since last helped tab for now only last for 3 days so I stop put BEMs/SEMs and deleted all my followers.
After a few week, seem like the BOT go away by it self but since that day, I delete immediately someone who follow me and I stop helping random peoples from DD even when I on help task. I don't like what I'm doing but this is something I need to do to protect my self.
One time, I put up three nails, all at different prices, one right after the other with the default one being the second placed. (270, default, and some random amount). Only the default one was bought.
The next day, though, the first time I put up silo for a friend, nothing was taken. The second batch was snatched.
Yesterday, I was able to give her three small batches of screws without incident.
No, that would be a ghost farm, or just an inactive/abandoned farm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Midori669
A bot farm is run by a computer, not a human, which is why they accomplish some of these seemingly impossible things. See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_bot
If you have a look on Google, you can even find places that sell scripts to run bot farms on HD.
Just offer maximum price, and then even if a stranger swoops in to buy it, you don't lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nestof3
I often find that stuff that I put for sale disappears within a minute, even if I did not advertise it in the Daily Dirt. But so what? That is life. In the real world, if I sell a few shares of a stock, I don't care who buys it so long as I get the asking price.
Neighbors trading through the roadside stand, while tolerated, isn't really the intent. For instance, look at the limitations placed on the neighborhood trading mechanism. No trading of expansion items, and only so many trades within an 8 hour period. So if you are going to trade through the roadside stand, do so at your own risk. There are plenty of things that you can do to lower the risk, but please understand that there are a lot of players out there, and chances are that someone just might be looking at your roadside stand at the moment you decide to set up a trade. Deal with it.
You trying to say that having an item you wish to trade stolen 'because it's max price' that you don't lose?Quote:
Originally Posted by blsb
Hardly, many players have so many coins they are absolutely worthless to them.
But I agree we all have to understand there are risks involved with trading, we need to our best to minimize those risks - sadly there is no such thing as zero risk trading. (unless you count trading 3 saws for 3 axes via neighborhood donating lol)
Same. It's a shame that few rotten apples are ruining the game for so many people. But, what else is new?Quote:
Originally Posted by xaimaster
OBS that if you put out things for a player and that THEY cant see it : that is a common BUG in HD ,
Normaly the only thing they have to do is to go out from your farm and back in and the stuff is in your shop ,
same as you do when one in the team putout trees and Buches for your help tasks inthe Derby , then you cant see the ones they put out when you are in on their farm ,
you have to go out from it and back in to see them ,
some bot that buy have I not seen , but this BUG is very common !!
Buyer bots are a very real, very annoying part of this game - and they find ways to get around being caught not long after they are caught, so I don't envy supercell the endless game of catching code cheaters....I have had them and I can tell anyone who thinks it's no big deal that I'm just glad it hasn't happened to you.
it doesnt usually matter what price you use, the only thing I've found that helps is if the farmer you're trying to help give tools to knows in advance which exact stall you're using and begins tapping on it even before you post the item. That's the only successful way I've done it.
I too have stopped helping any other strangers, even watering trees, which makes me sad because I have lost a fun part of the game. But it is what it is. You work hard to help others with upgrading and expanding and you feel terrible when a batch of tools that took you hours to accumulate gets grabbed by a bot.
reposted question in new thread
LTMP: does it happen if you use the "1cent-1wheat" system when trading?
Hi Buligo :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BULIGO
I don't trade really.
So, I don't use the 1 cent 1 wheat method. I kind of leave stuff in my RSS for my neighbors and current game friends to pick up at their convenience.
Indeed, LTMP has always have a very juicy, well stocked shop, which I usually leave without buying and has had it this way for as long as I can recall, so maybe she has picked up an annoyance. The one wheat thing won't work if such is the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by LetTheMusicPlay
Couldn't agree more!Quote:
Originally Posted by blsb
I have to say, I get annoyed by the attitude of many, when saying people they have helped or other strangers are "stealing" the items, they have put up for sale. It is just stupid! If you put something up for sale, then ANYONE is free to go and buy it. That's it! And the whole attitude of don't help or get help, is just weird. Why play then?
Oh, and if you don't want "strangers" to buy your stuff, then don't put it up for sale.
Hay Day is about producing, selling, buying and helping! Not about deciding, who is "good enough" to buy your items or help on your farm. We have enough bigotry in the real world, we don't need it in Hay Day!
Hi, I see and understand your perspective on regular human-player RSS buying and selling. But this is a different matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by L26
There are scripts/codes that players buy and install on their devices (in contravention of SC's Terms of Service) that perform certain activities in Hay Day automatically for them, i.e. no further human intervention/play may be required.
One type of bot attaches itself to a farm and then automatically purchases certain items that this bot detects in the targeted RSS or notifies the player that the desired items are up for sale. This kind of programming is incredibly unfair to the targeted farm.
We're not allowed to alter our game to perform functions automatically, so it feels especially violative to be targeted and harvested by one of these bots.
Bots suck! Big time! However report suspected bots to SuperCell, and don't let them scare you into not trusting other players.
Apparently the only way to be sure to avoid running into a bot, is to have no friends (followers or through friend book), not be in a neighbourghood, not helping anyone, not asking for help and not putting anything in the paper. That takes "some" (/that's a sarcastic "some") of the fun out of the game. So if you think, you have come about a bot, report it to SuperCell otherwise just keep gaming!
It is a bit like computer viruses the only way to be sure, not to run into them, is to stay permantly off-line.
I don't understand why, whenever someone posts about harassing buying behaviour (and I mean prolonged, constant harrassment not simple occasional or short-term mystery buying), new people come out of the woodwork to defend this behaviour and tell us how we should feel and how we should play.
LMTP and Nest, I feel truly bad for you. IMO there's no excuse for this type of long-term parasitic buying. It's greed and selfishness, plain and simple.
I doubt anyone is defending harassment. If a player has a follower or someone on the friends list, that - for whatever reason - annoys them in any way, just remove them or block them out. If it someone you have helped, then the list is not up for long, so just try to avoid putting anything, you don't want them to buy in the roadshop for a short period of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by shepherdgirl
Buying and selling is an essentiel part of Hay Day, and if you only want to sell to your friends in the neighbourghood, then don't put products up for sale in your roadshop. Easy! Then no strangers will come and "steal" your products.
You cannot possibly understand this until it happens to you :facepalm:Quote:
Originally Posted by L26
Bigotry? Last I checked, bots violated the terms of the game.
Especially when they are then sold on the black market for real cash.
Again, this entire thread hasn't been about bots. Bots are not people. Why is this so difficult to understand? I'm not talking about people buying from my shop after I help fill their crates. I'm talking about bots. Can we please just stick to the original topic?
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Originally Posted by L26
Sorry. But you clearly don't get it - and I really really hope you never get infected with the code buyer bots. These aren't people. This isn't fair play. These are thieves who are stealing things to sell for real money.
Maybe you don't know what it's like to need 3 last screws for an upgrade or something....ask your hood, delightedly go to buy them from a helpful friend, and instantly see them sold because they were bought by a buyer bot before any human could....I guess that's just tough luck.
sorry I sound annoyed, but if hay day wanted all goods available to strangers, than advertising would be mandatory. But I'm pretty sure trading, collaboration, and sharing are big goals - and everyone gets lopsided tool drops.
Buyer bots are thieves, pure and simple.
I'm actually trying to understand all of this more. I didn't even know what a bot was 8 days ago. I remember someone I've FB messaged before saying she has bought BEM from someone in China, and I remember thinking how seriously she takes upgrading. I had no idea those items could've been taken from a farm using a program. Friends and I take turns helping each other, and at this point, I've stopped completely and am just helping others. And as I've said before, I usually give extras during trades as well.
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Originally Posted by Dove2017
Exactly. And actually, I might argue that bots actually are people. Or at least that there is a real person with a real farm running a bot script on that real farm.
Whether it's a person running a bem-buying script or whether it's a person using a hack or exploit to get to your farm and keeping their farm open on yours for weeks on end to near-instantly pounce on everything you put up, to my mind it's the same abusive behaviour. Regardless, it's a real person at the other end deliberately using hacks, scripts, and cheats against sc tos.
There are ways that Supercell could potentially address this if they wanted to. I suggested one way several months back on this thread: https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...d-Trolls/page3. I'll paste part of the idea here again for discussion.
”i don't think SC will ever give dedicated slots for unlimited trading, nor do I think they should actually, because it could have a detrimental impact on the global market.Thoughts?
But they could certainly implement some kind of blocking feature for truly abusive buyers [edit, note this includes bot farms]. For example, maybe allow one block in a 30-day period by holding down their avatar in our RSS the same way as we do to remove a follower. If it was just one block in 30 days, no one would just block people willy nilly and lose the potential to block someone later if they really needed it."
That would be an amazing feature. And it would cure so much. We could help, contribute, play without the worry of attracting someone who's exploiting the game unfairly.Quote:
Originally Posted by shepherdgirl
Hi what is the length of time I will be on another player helper list. Is it still 2 weeks?
I have been facing a very frustrating issue of 'someone' stealing my trades. It seems that I have help someone and this person keep coming in to grab my stuff that is meant for my friend. It had been a week now. So just wanna know if it's a real player or a Bot.
Any counter measures will also be helpful.
In the "Input Requested" thread, someone suggested having an RSS in your town, so only your hoodies could visit it and buy from it. I think that's a great idea and might help solve both of these problems -- the one of bot buyers and the one of strangers hovering at your farm and interrupting agreed-upon trades.
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Originally Posted by Kirara
Last helper tab tab has been reduced to 72 hours.
If the farm is someone who clearly admires Greek mythology characters, chances are it's really a buyer bot. That's the one that had been circulating lately. Before that it was a host of short animal names. Can't name them here, but if it's that one, you should screen capture and send to support.
Dear all thanks for all the advice. It seems that I have indeed been infected by a buyer BOT. Yep Eddie ur spot on its a Greek mythology character. M now trying to take a screenshot. But it seems to stop buying at this time. Will try out tomorrow again.
Is it actually an infection on your device (what type, android or Apple?), or is it something running on another device - say a PC - that is pretending to be a legit device running hay day that's polling many other players RSS?
Just curious, if its running on our own device - we should be able to flush it out someway.
In my case, I don't think it's an infection on my device. I play on Apple devices btw.Quote:
Originally Posted by PedrosPlotThickens
I think the bolded scenario is more likely. It can be a PC or a jail broken mobile device.
I play it on Apple Ipad.
I have write in to support but it seems to be a cut n paste answer:
To cut it short, their reply:
On this note, friends, followers and other farmers who visit your farm (for example, via the ads in the Daily Dirt) are a vital part of the game. They can help you by purchasing your items, completing your boat orders and reviving your trees and bushes.
There are different ways a player can visit your farm and help you progress in the game.
* The player is in your friends list (either you added him via Game Center or Facebook, or you followed his/her farm).
* The player is in your followers list (he/she started following your farm).
* The player found one of your ads in the Daily Dirt (and tried to purchase the advertised item).
* The player found you in his/her "Last Helpers" list (because you helped him/her out with his/her boat or trees or bushes).
* The player found you in the Global Leadearboard.
* The player found you in the Event Leaderboard as a contributor.
However, I really appreciate your efforts in cooperating us to remove such accounts. Our experts can manually home in on the farms that you have sent us.
Definitely not the first 3 options as I have check. I thou it's the fourth one. But interestingly it's past a week and it's able to buy my stuff and Last Helpers list last 3 days as I have know lately.
Don't think it's the fifth or sixth as I am quite far off.
Have been trying to take a screenshot but it stop today. I have try on some suggestions and selling bit by bit at a random price. Wait for around 10 seconds and it's still there.
This portion of Support's reply is really interesting. That sounds like they may be removing the actual bot-farms that purchase from us. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirara
Maybe.
Sometimes, I misunderstand Support's communications to us. :smirk:
Could it be that Support has already disconnected your farm from the bot based on your earlier report? Hoping that you're free of this bot, Kirara. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirara
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Originally Posted by LetTheMusicPlay
Very nice to window shop at your place again, LTMP :heart:
I agree. And the overall response and tone from support was very good and helpful. Nice to see!Quote:
Originally Posted by LetTheMusicPlay
Hopefully. It's like a ghost. It buys my stuff on last Thur-Friday. So I keep a low profile and stop selling my SEMS and BEMS. Thou it's gone on Wednesday so I trade again. Then suddenly it appears and buy my stuff this Wednesday again while trading. So am still testing it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by LetTheMusicPlay
So far am putting it in bits and pieces like 2-5 items at random prices. It seems that the first few times it bought my items, I have sold in quantities greater than 5. The first time should be 8 SEMS. Subsequently in tenths of SEMS/BEMS. Not sure if it is scripted to buy in tenths. But am selling in bits and pieces so if it's still latching to mimise losses.