Can someone from SC please define what "engineering" is.

The announcement of a tweak in algorithms has turned into a total poo storm. People who have a rushed base are now engineers, people who are building up their base to the next TH lvl but not planting higher weight buildings are engineers, clans that put in fillers down bottom of the map to make up numbers are engineers, people that are focusing more on heros than def are engineers, people that are building def rather than heros are engineers, people that are focusing on walls but not def are engineers. In the current climate my mums sisters sons grandmothers poodle would be an engineer. Please, for the sake of some sort of harmony can someone from SC please give a better definition as to what the war on engineering actually is.

Yes, if we are getting crappy war matchups because we are flagged as a clan with engineered accounts, please explain what that is. Are the 2 fresh TH10s who don't have a single TH10 upgrade done, but haven't dropped their infernos yet considered engineered accounts?

Put a little star by them when I go to start a war so we can actually get a fair matchup if having what you consider an engineered account so I can leave them out of the war - if putting them in means we'll match a clan with 5 TH11s with max air troops and GWs if I include them in the war search.

Hello Dibbs

I will not be discussing the matchmaker subject, and update; instead answer you question from the release:

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Originally Posted by SuperCell Release

We wanted to share with you that we are making improvements to how the algorithm functions in order to address “engineered bases” in the matchmaking feature. This new functionality will take more into account as far as “total weight” is concerned with regards to both defense and offense. What this means for you is that your Clan will be more evenly matched against other Clans that have similar builds.

One of the challenges in creating a matchmaking system is to allow players to retain their creativity in their base design and play style. We wanted to make sure that your strategies are not invalidated; just more evenly matched against others who share your play style. Our improved algorithm is an evolutionary step in making sure Clans will be matched more frequently against opponents of equivalent difficulty. Furthermore, we have also built in a certain degree of flexibility into the new system that allows us to fine tune the matchmaking weights as needed. This will allow us to monitor the matchmaking, make changes if we feel the weights are either too heavy or not heavy enough.

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Deconstructing the phrase bolded in the quote above: Supercell considers "engineering" where there is an unbalance of offense versus defense. Again, SuperCell emphasize that the matchmaker takes the clan as one entity, not as individual elements.

In addition, it appears from the underlined phrase in the quote above, that the perception of mismatching, or unfair matching isn't clear to SuperCell either, and more updates/adjustments will come.

No actual details of the matchmaking algorithm being available to my knowledge, only predictions or estimations of its behavior, I would assume that the previous algorithm was only partially taking that difference in account. The update could have increased the importance of measured differences into the matchmaking algorithm. The statement from SuperCell does not indicate a bias toward more offense or more defense, just that both are considered in the matchmaking, more than before.

Hence leading to believe that maybe any wide difference (amount t.b.d.) between offense and defense could be considered "engineered", depending on their influence on the matchmaker.

Hope this helps you.

I do believe SC issued a statement re: engineering but rephrased it as lopsided bases. Would prob show up in a search.

Matchups for us have been great. Jus smoked a Reddit maxer clan. We both have 5 max th 11s we had 1 max 10. They had 7 max 10s. We had 6 11s with no inferno or eagle and they couldn't 3 star them. Say what you want about engineers but we r more advanced attackers then those who choose to max out.

They have explained, it is just you who dont want to read.

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Originally Posted by Dibbs12345

In the current climate my mums sisters sons grandmothers poodle would be an engineer.

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Lol XD

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Originally Posted by MazerFromAbove

Put a little star by them when I go to start a war so we can actually get a fair matchup if having what you consider an engineered account so I can leave them out of the war

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I think this could make it too easy to trick the algorithm (stop upgrading defenses when the star disappears) but maybe good engineers know it already ... :smirk:

The new mm is very good for us. One war against maxers and two against clans with bad engineered bases. The war against the maxers was very unfair, the two other wars are easy but not impossible for them to tie/win.

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Originally Posted by Eleach86

Say what you want about engineers but we r more advanced attackers then those who choose to max out.

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That's a pretty ridiculous statement. You may have a clan full of good attackers. Attack skill and not putting down defenses to gain an advantage have little to no correlation.

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Originally Posted by Eleach86

Matchups for us have been great. Jus smoked a Reddit maxer clan. We both have 5 max th 11s we had 1 max 10. They had 7 max 10s. We had 6 11s with no inferno or eagle and they couldn't 3 star them. Say what you want about engineers but we r more advanced attackers then those who choose to max out.

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That's not an overwhelming amount of data to support your claim. It comes off as a bit arrogant.

We r 3 staring max th 10s. They cannot 3 star a th 11 with no inferno or eagle... which takes more skill?