Dear Supercell,
what is so tough about checking matchmaking for grand wardens for and against? You know that if we have 0 and they have 3,4,5, even 6, that it won't be a winnable war for us. It is mathematically obvious that our 6 th10s (5 inferno towers out of 10) can be steamrolled by 3 th11s.
A tricky one. This is one of the most common complaints in the game, as the Warden is potentially so powerful. You can throw in TH11 offence into the mix too.
Would counting GW (of any level) and matching 1 for 1 against your opponents necessarily produce fair matches? - No, it wouldn't.
I posted this thread back in May on the subject of 'Heroes v Wardens' matches. All were fair matches in my eyes, which we won.
https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...es-v-Wardens-!
To summarise, there's a big difference between a max offence TH11 with 45/45/20 and a rushed offence TH11 with a level 5 Warden!
Don't get me wrong, I am with you to a certain degree, but it's not absolute imo.:)
Personally, instead of adding weight to the warden they should give the warden up to level 5 to th10. Th10 is the least fun th in the game cause it doesn't have the troops to deal with inferno's. It would also close the gap on on the fairness. In my clan we don't have a rule that says that you have to go 9.11, but it's what everybody does cause it makes sense 10 v 10 is a 2 star game.
While this is a unpopular idea on forums I think it would go along way in solving warden discrepancies. Plus it has the added bonus of being a simple fix, and simple tends to suffer the least consequences.Quote:
Originally Posted by ccmushroom
One of the prominent Youtubers suggested this last year, and while the idea did gather momentum, I for one don't agree with it, and it has been dismissed by the Devs.Quote:
Originally Posted by ccmushroom
The reasoning behind this is a little subjective, but I would speculate that it has to do with overall balance including TH10 v TH9 dips!:)
Th10 dipping on a th9 should not be a factor. Most any th10 worth his weight should be able to dip a th9.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skrags
Most th9 can be taken out by a th9 with goboho, now if you take a th10, lvl5 hogs, extra spell, should be no reason adding a GW to th10 this should be a deciding factor.
Note: I am not saying to add the GW, but the dipping factor should not be part of the equation.
I value your opinion here Warios. Perhaps I needed to expand on mine. Regardless of where TH9 is right now (Aug 2017), overtime I've gradually formed an opinion TH9 is the most important TH level in the game, based purely on the volume players that play here, and the fairly constant rhetoric from SC about 'pick up and play' , ie the casual market.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warios
To this end, it's more important that TH9 is balanced than any other TH level.
Balance, in this context, includes dips, ie an early/mid TH10 should not just be able to faceroll a TH9. Of course, yes they should be able to 3 star any TH9, but with a plan....not just close your eyes and spam troops.
I recognise that I may be mistaken in my interpretation of the SC rhetoric, but it makes sense to me, and I've yet to read about an alternative interpretation that makes me believe otherwise.
Hence, the no Warden at TH10 belief.
Just my subjective thoughts of course, but I've been fairly consistent with then over the last year or so!:)
Yeah, agreed TH9 dips are pretty mindless for a TH10. One of my TH10 accounts I upgraded the dragon/lightning path and I have not found a TH9 I couldn't 3 star. Now that baby drags are maxed too, it's even easier.
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Originally Posted by Skrags;1086♥♥♥2
First, just because you win vs engineers (we do too) doesn't mean it is fair or balanced. We fight tooth and nail to beat engineered clans. They lose because of loon spam or no shows or th11s who cant 3 star a max th9 for the win. We also are only winning because we are driving members hard to go th10 if they are high to max th9. Not every player or clan has time for that. As a max th9 clan previously, we were losing regularly to a th11 clan.
Second, we have zero th11s, gw, and ea. We are a longterm th8-9 clan turning the corner into a th10. Our th10s are new without infernos. They will get them but building it immediately is just dumb in the current game. We largely forbid perma 0.5 though if mm isnt fixed I dont know what we'll do.
So your 'we won' perspective is of limited value imo to my complaint or the greater question of how to prevent 8.11 and 9.11 from ruining the game. Tho I appreciate the forum thread you shared.
Third, every simple rule on the forum is dismissed. I get that. But I think discussing the elements that make each of think 'this a bad match' is useful. We all have our own 'fair match' neural network. Mine disagrees with SC a lot and some of the simple things that Ive noticed are that overall weight is increasingly a poor predictor. Better predictors are difference in inferno counts, hero levels, gws, eagles, out of order bases.
I dont look at bases anymore and say oh, gee lots of max th9 with unique designs. CC Bowlers and some defensive tuning has changed that calculus (ie weight to 70k isnt a big predictor at th9/10. Even at th8 actually: most decent th8s can 2 star a max th9. That's not always true of a th9 vs max th10 or even th10 vs max th11.
Instead I look and say how many dips do they have and how many ups do we have to do. Then I wait to see if they can get our top few bases or not.
So perhaps a simple rule doesn't work for whatever [insert convuluted forum logic] reason but clearly the roster engineering hasn't been addressed.
I don't see lv5 warden being that disruptive to TH10 on 9 dips. As it stands now even poor attackers like me can crush any TH9 with TH10 troops. What's the harm in making something already easy just a bit easier. Now look at the benefit TH10's having atleast baby wardens would be for warden discrepancies that are killing wars imo. If you ask me its almost all benefit with very little consequence. Plus mabey TH10's could actually 3* each other with a bit of warden help. This one small change could be the biggest improvement to clan wars in a long time. I really don't get the pushback on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skrags