Open your war log... lets see your match upsQuote:
Originally Posted by CheckMate99
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Open your war log... lets see your match upsQuote:
Originally Posted by CheckMate99
This second paragraph is incorrect as it ignores level of difficulty. It's much easier to 3 star a 9.5 than it is to 3 star a max defence 10. 60% on a max 10 by another 10 is a decent job, whereas on a 9.5 it's a bit embarrassing. That applies irrespective of 40/40 vs 15/15 - which I'm not sure why you include along with number of possible army choices - unless we add that achieving only 60% on a 9.5 would be even more embarrassing from an attacker with 40/40.Quote:
Originally Posted by InflatedCoC
I'm not sure why you include the other detail about royal levels and army choices - I've never seen a defence max 10 with 15/15 and only one choice of max army comp. There must be some out there, but that's hardly the norm for a defence max 10. Were you claiming that degree of offence missing was proportionate to the defence missing on the 9.5? If so it must rest mostly in the heros, as more choices of max offence war armies only means you have a wider and so better range of options to choose between for attacking various base designs, not that your offence is any significant degree stronger on a base that isn't specifically "anti your one army" design.
I think the Martians will agree on this last - a stack of huge troops is not greatly better than just one good choice.
Who from our clan ever said that achieving this ridiculously long streak is from skill only?Quote:
Originally Posted by yabapani
What I can say is that long streak can't be achieved by solely engineering bases.
This whole thread was just to say we had a good and fair match since the update. Don't know why it went into such tangent.
They won't do that. Too afraid of being hunted by real attackers.Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasMo
Appreciate the response, and I agree you got a ton of clans gunning for you for the 'glory' of dethroning the king and In fairness to your streak and clan i had not thought about that aspect. Purely from a spectator side seeing your clan in action in what you consider a fair and challenging war be interesting to view strictly from a mechanics of the game perspective. Not sure stating good luck in your wars means much but i still hold out hope someday your recipe comes to light for people to debate on...Quote:
Originally Posted by CheckMate99
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Originally Posted by yabapani
-I'm not saying your right or wrong -- you are welcome to have your own opinion and I'm not here to change it.
BUT your out of line for claiming anyone here is exploiting anything. The game was developed by supercell to be this way. If the developers did NOT want it to be this way -- it would not be this way... the fact that it IS this way - implies - that the developers intend or approve of how the game is played. (or I suppose you could blame the devs and say they have no talent and have built an awful product)
Dont blame the players -- who figure out how the game is played and learn to play it better than others.
- the Slavery card is really not valid here... come on.. thats an obscure un needed reference that borders on toxicity...
This topic is about the Match making update -- NOT about any one clan or who that one clan plays the game.
if you have some helpful feedback that will further the topic great.. I welcome it -- but your starting an arguement in someone elses topic and taking the conversation off topic...
/ I just wasted 5 minutes typing this... I am here to read about valid things that are factually based.. NOT peoples opinions on why they think everyone should play the exact same way that they play because They are right - everyone else is wrong...
There are 4 million clans... hundreds of thousands of players.. all will play differently - those more interested in winning all the time will learn how the game works - and Engineer their accounts to win. Those casual players or people who have less interest in winning all the time will just have to deal with loosing.
The war will be won by:
1- the clan who upgraded smarter... better optimized defenses and offenses will always win.. unless
2- one clan is just awful at attacking
or
3- there is a mis match in the war.
-100% fair matches where both sides are 100% equal is a pipe dream. YES my clan has 2 of them this round -- but thats rare...
every war will be mis matched.. to some extent. Always.
the goal here is to discuss how its working NOW -- what observations you all make about the current state...
//back on topic plz lol
yabapani
-- you have 24 posts.. so your new here... try to keep things on topic.
They actually did when they made post "come n celebrate wit us". Lil did they know displaying their ws (attempting to boast n gain respect) would backfire on them as forumers saw the type of wins they were gettin. Even went as far in that post defending themselves by saying they won bc they r superior attackers/defenders n won bc of their skills. (Note: skill in understanding war mm so much they can get easy wins is a skill many cant claim but they instead of focused on saying they won bc of superior attack/def skill aka martian mind power lol) they further their quest to gettin ridiculed more by making more outlandish claims. One ex being "most of our wars r fair n challenging" making claims to us thinking its realistic n as if we r imbelic kids who cant decipher realism from fantasy. Its one thing to claim u understand war mm so well that u obtained this streak. A skill no doubt n ok to claim but that isn't the case wit em. Maybe bc they want respect n fame for their "accomplishments" since no one outside forums knows of em. (Which isnt wrong btw as long as u keep it real)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenchafer
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Originally Posted by Rambletamble
thats a dream. it will never come to light; they are smart for keeping their mouths shut... lol They have the most massive database of info tracking from any clan in the game.. they have all the knowledge - x 1000 - with that info and the many years they have played - they have honed their accounts to be amazingly well designed...
// opinion // not fact.
You can get a general sense of how they do things with simple roster engineering tricks mixed with some good engineering account designs... get a clan full of players willing to spend 5 years carefully crafting bases... hope the match making system doesnt make you obsolete... and you can be just like them too;
Has anyone actually looked at what checkmate is saying? It amazes me how petty we look arguing over details and reading too far into what checkmate actually says.Quote:
Originally Posted by CheckMate99
1. They have no .5, maxed, or defenseless bases. We can look at their clan and see that is true.
2. We need to look at what reality not what we think it should be. Many claim #gm engineers and while they do have optimized bases none are lopsided. This would be according to their website cocp.it as well as how the mm really works.
I myself was suorised that one of my bases was listed as "engineered" when I saw it was it was easy to see my defense was ahead of my offense. Yes a th8 with max hidden, ads, th7 point, th6 wiz, level 1 mortor and half walls maxed half level 7 was too strong defense for my offense which is maxed dragonloon, barch, lighting & rage.
3. If the new mm looks at seperating maxers and engineers we need to look at what the mm says is engineerd and what isnt. My guess is what #gm has on their website is closer to what the mm says is engineered than what we argue about everyday. So what is an engineered base according to the mm? 1. Any base not maxed from the previous th 2. Any base that doesnt have max troop, spells, structures down for that th (like the builder base). 3. Any lopsided base beyond a certain pct. (Will cover more on this in another post). My guess if one of these three isnt true you arent engineered according to the mm. Remember its not about what it should be but what is.
4. According to #gm website there are better times to search. It took them 30 min. I follow that and only have 1 "engineered" base. It took me 45 min anything under an hour is normal for me. It has been often very engineered clans who have been having the long search times.
There is more but this post gets things going in the right direction. So to sumarize. Dont look too deep at what checkmate says. Look at what is real not what it should be. Think about what the mm says is engineering vs what you think it "should" be. You can see things from your side but also need to see #gm side. Look to their website for their answers.
P.s. i may be wrong but checkmate did lump maxed bases with lopsided bases. Something i have mentioned from time to time.
First, I do agree that the reference to slavery borders on toxicty. I made the call, as I do enjoy learning about history and that's the framework from which I have to work from. There was no intention to align the moral integrity of a gamer to that of a nation of enslavers. I'd hoped that would be implied, as I did not want my post to ramble on. Exploitation was the foundation of the analogy. You probably could have just focused on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by blombardo
Second, the Devs did not intend it; they made a significant error in judgement trying to fix offensive engineering. You are well aware of that. We can probably agree it became quite fruitful to allow it to continue. To argue they intended the game to be won based on who could most exploit the algorithm is arguably misguided, at best.
Third, I was responding to the nature of the conversation between the OP and others.. My goal here was to address the condescension expressed by the OP. If you felt as though you were the target, you have indeed wasted 5 minutes.
Finally, exploiting the algorithm is not a defensible position. It is inherently unfair and compromises the very essence of Fair Play. Any moment spent defending it is more a waste of your time.
I dont post a lot. Doesn't mean I'm new. That is a mistake I would assume someone of your knowledge and experience would be well beyond making.