The Inevitable Drawback of Donation Stat

The number is flawed. I would go as far as to say that this should be changed so that each troop counts as 1 unit again, regardless of slots it takes in the castle.

Why? At the beginning of each week, people donate worthless castle troops to pad the number. People give Giants, balloons, wizards, dragons and Pekkas to pad the stat. These troops are very worthless in a Clan Castle for DEFENSE. Now I don't mind getting those troops if I ask for them. But otherwise give archers.

With the addition of the stat, more and more is my castle filled with giants. This is a flaw and should be tweaked somehow. These troops are a deficit for those that save them for Defense.

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Originally Posted by LordPothog

The number is flawed. I would go as far as to say that this should be changed so that each troop counts as 1 unit again, regardless of slots it takes in the castle.

Why? At the beginning of each week, people donate worthless castle troops to pad the number. People give Giants, balloons, wizards, dragons and Pekkas to pad the stat. These troops are very worthless in a Clan Castle for DEFENSE. Now I don't mind getting those troops if I ask for them. But otherwise give archers.

With the addition of the stat, more and more is my castle filled with giants. This is a flaw and should be tweaked somehow. These troops are a deficit for those that save them for Defense.

Thanks

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an easy solution would be to join a clan that donates the troops you want, as opposed to padding their donation stats.

for example, i've never had this problem.

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Originally Posted by LordPothog

The number is flawed. I would go as far as to say that this should be changed so that each troop counts as 1 unit again, regardless of slots it takes in the castle.

Why? At the beginning of each week, people donate worthless castle troops to pad the number. People give Giants, balloons, wizards, dragons and Pekkas to pad the stat. These troops are very worthless in a Clan Castle for DEFENSE. Now I don't mind getting those troops if I ask for them. But otherwise give archers.

With the addition of the stat, more and more is my castle filled with giants. This is a flaw and should be tweaked somehow. These troops are a deficit for those that save them for Defense.

Thanks

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Get a new clan that isn't full of people who try to artificially inflate their donation score, or if you have power in the clan kick their sorry butts! ;)

If you make every troop worth 1 on the counter, someone donating 1 level 3 PEKKA would get less credit than someone else donating 5 level 1 barbarians. Sorry, but I think it's fine the way it is.

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Originally Posted by resnullius

an easy solution would be to join a clan that donates the troops you want, as opposed to padding their donation stats.

for example, i've never had this problem.

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He's right...if you're in a clan where the people there are just donating strong troops just to pad their donation stats, that doesn't seem like a very good clan that helps around and cares about who and what they are donating too. And if this isn't the case, you might just want to talk to them about it. I've never had that problem either though

It sounds like you need to find a new clan. Our clan policy is to donate archers unless someone specifically asks for something. This update has not been an issue for us.

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Originally Posted by LordPothog

The number is flawed. I would go as far as to say that this should be changed so that each troop counts as 1 unit again, regardless of slots it takes in the castle.

Why? At the beginning of each week, people donate worthless castle troops to pad the number. People give Giants, balloons, wizards, dragons and Pekkas to pad the stat. These troops are very worthless in a Clan Castle for DEFENSE. Now I don't mind getting those troops if I ask for them. But otherwise give archers.

With the addition of the stat, more and more is my castle filled with giants. This is a flaw and should be tweaked somehow. These troops are a deficit for those that save them for Defense.

Thanks

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Sounds like your clan sucks to me. Find a new one with members who don't pad a worthless stat to the detriment of other members.

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Originally Posted by Baconman

If you make every troop worth 1 on the counter, someone donating 1 level 3 PEKKA would get less credit than someone else donating 5 level 1 barbarians. Sorry, but I think it's fine the way it is.

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He's right too...if they spend the time and elixir to make a dragon or Pekka, they should be recognized for that.

I agree with I think everyone here. Get a new clan. Dragonsfire is recruiting :)

Also, we have a 2, 2.5, 3 and 3.5 version, as well as a farming one.

I've never had this issue in the clans I've been in, I would imagine if someone started spamming giants unnecessarily they would only get those in return or would be kicked rather quickly :P

You need to find a new clan! join a clan that donates archers unless a person asks for something different.

a good clan should donate what you want to receive and if this isn't happening you need to crack down on it in the clan chat and sift out whoever is donating troops you don't want. talk to them first and if they still want to donate balloons and giants give them the boot.

I will take a guess that you are in a clan that has a minimum donation requirement or a Donate x-amount for elder. I have seen this a few times before and its a very dumb idea. IMO

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Originally Posted by Baconman

If you make every troop worth 1 on the counter, someone donating 1 level 3 PEKKA would get less credit than someone else donating 5 level 1 barbarians. Sorry, but I think it's fine the way it is.

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I definitely agree with this point.
Before the major update, I used to donate alot of giants. Each giant would count as a unit for the donation achievement, but the problem is a less worthy unit such as a barbarian would also count as a unit. This is not fair considering giants when compared to barbarians, takes a longer time to train, and they even cost more. Now the system is much more fair as each giant is worth 5 units.

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Originally Posted by TJwTC

I will take a guess that you are in a clan that has a minimum donation requirement or a Donate x-amount for elder. I have seen this a few times before and its a very dumb idea. IMO

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Why is min donation requirement for elders a dumb idea?
Elders are suppose to have more responsibilities, isn't it?

Anyway the simple solution is to inform what troops you want. Initially I will inform my members. Now they know and they will give what I ask for.

Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Shrimpy

Why is min donation requirement for elders a dumb idea?
Elders are suppose to have more responsibilities, isn't it?

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if you give someone elder based on how many troops they donate, you are a fool. people like that can kick the whole clan out 5 minutes later.

If you ask for archers and they give giants then either get a new clan or kick the offending member who is not a team player:cool:

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Originally Posted by facescraper

if you give someone elder based on how many troops they donate, you are a fool. people like that can kick the whole clan out 5 minutes later.

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Donation is not the only criteria for elder promotion, his duration with the clan as well.
So don't jump into conclusion and start calling people fools.

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Originally Posted by Shrimpy

Donation is not the only criteria for elder promotion, his duration with the clan as well.
So don't jump into conclusion and start calling people fools.

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i didn't call you a fool. i said if you elder someone based on their donation number you are a fool.

I do think wizards, dragons, and pekkas should count for 4, 20, and 25, respectively. But, I'm not sure about giants (and to a lesser extent, balloons). They are definitely not worth five archers when it comes to clan castle defense.

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Originally Posted by facescraper

i didn't call you a fool. i said if you elder someone based on their donation number you are a fool.

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Point taken. My bad. ;)

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Originally Posted by Shrimpy

Point taken. My bad. ;)

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all good, shrimpy!

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Originally Posted by LordPothog

The number is flawed. I would go as far as to say that this should be changed so that each troop counts as 1 unit again, regardless of slots it takes in the castle.

Why? At the beginning of each week, people donate worthless castle troops to pad the number. People give Giants, balloons, wizards, dragons and Pekkas to pad the stat. These troops are very worthless in a Clan Castle for DEFENSE. Now I don't mind getting those troops if I ask for them. But otherwise give archers.

With the addition of the stat, more and more is my castle filled with giants. This is a flaw and should be tweaked somehow. These troops are a deficit for those that save them for Defense.

Thanks

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You do realize that these are free troops you are getting, and being picky about what you get for free is not good practice.
I have never been disappointed with any troops I get, so what difference does it make if I get 5 archers that cost someone 1000 elixir to make or 1 pekka that costs 50,000?
I have always given giants for clan castle troops, and if anyone says I'm padding my numbers, I call b s .
I am the leader of my clan and have no reason for "padding"
Everything about the counts is good as far as I can see, the only problems people will have with it are the people that like to cry "foul" and start dramas.
If you have a good leader, things like this that are controllable, will be controlled.

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Originally Posted by KAHN

You do realize that these are free troops you are getting, and being picky about what you get for free is not good practice.
I have never been disappointed with any troops I get, so what difference does it make if I get 5 archers that cost someone 1000 elixir to make or 1 pekka that costs 50,000?
I have always given giants for clan castle troops, and if anyone says I'm padding my numbers, I call b s .
I am the leader of my clan and have no reason for "padding"
Everything about the counts is good as far as I can see, the only problems people will have with it are the people that like to cry "foul" and start dramas.
If you have a good leader, things like this that are controllable, will be controlled.

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giants are pretty useless for defence from a CC castle though, kahn.

Abandon failship !

ops, i mean fail clan.

On a serious note, if you really like the clan, then say what troops you want first.

if you say you wanted archers, but gotten giants again, inform the elders/leader

if the elders/leaders disagree with you, then just leave. ;)

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Originally Posted by facescraper

giants are pretty useless for defence from a CC castle though, kahn.

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Not as useless as being in a clan by yourself.... And having nothing...

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Originally Posted by facescraper

giants are pretty useless for defence from a CC castle though, kahn.

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well, if i was donated giants i would use them for offense instead of defense.. but yes they are pretty bad for defense.

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Originally Posted by KAHN

Not as useless as being in a clan by yourself.... And having nothing...

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anything is better than nothing, sure, but giants? how many are in your clan?

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Originally Posted by Junliang

Abandon failship !

ops, i mean fail clan.

On a serious note, if you really like the clan, then say what troops you want first.

if you say you wanted archers, but gotten giants again, inform the elders/leader

if the elders/leaders disagree with you, then just leave. ;)

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I agree...
I have had people that complain about what they get, then when people take too long to make the troops they want they started getting mad.
I just booted them....

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Originally Posted by facescraper

anything is better than nothing, sure, but giants? how many are in your clan?

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50....
Now where is everyone's clan castle that renders giants useless?
And btw... We do give the troops ppl want in my clan.. I'm just saying that if you don't specify what you want... You take what you get...

Donations of giants, especially lower level giants are virtually useless and only serve to inflate your troop donation stats.

Decent clans usually have an archer only policy, unless otherwise requested. I recommend steering clear of clans that use the 'anything is better than nothing' approach because you will find yourself all too often with a rag bag clan castle.

I remember a post similar to this a few months ago, except it was complainers complaining about getting barbarians...

If you don't like the troops you get,
Quit, and put all your resources off to one side.

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Originally Posted by KAHN

I remember a post similar to this a few months ago, except it was complainers complaining about getting barbarians...

If you don't like the troops you get,
Quit, and put all your resources off to one side.

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I also remember a post opposite to this where people where complaining about the fact that A dragon or Pekka shouldn't count the same as 1 Barbarian.

The reason why the minimum donation requirement for elder is a bad idea is because you will end up with a bunch of Giants in your clan castle...

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Originally Posted by KAHN

50....
Now where is everyone's clan castle that renders giants useless?
And btw... We do give the troops ppl want in my clan.. I'm just saying that if you don't specify what you want... You take what you get...

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whatever works for your clan i guess! archers are pretty universal i would have thought, at least in every clan i've been in.

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Originally Posted by TJwTC

I also remember a post opposite to this where people where complaining about the fact that A dragon or Pekka shouldn't count the same as 1 Barbarian.

The reason why the minimum donation requirement for elder is a bad idea is because you will end up with a bunch of Giants in your clan castle...

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I COMPLETELY agree!!! Elder should NOT be given to high donaters...
There are a lot of ppl out there booting entire clans... And if all it takes is a few dragons....

We have KOed 9 clan mates till date . And expected more to come in the coming weeks . However , we realized new mates donated more than those we KOed . It's a good renewal programme lol

Sure wish they put in a received stat when they made the change.

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Originally Posted by gtwa

Sure wish they put in a received stat when they made the change.

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absolutely agree, they should have both troops donated/received so you can see who the leechers are! :mad:

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Originally Posted by LordPothog

The number is flawed. I would go as far as to say that this should be changed so that each troop counts as 1 unit again, regardless of slots it takes in the castle.

Why? At the beginning of each week, people donate worthless castle troops to pad the number. People give Giants, balloons, wizards, dragons and Pekkas to pad the stat. These troops are very worthless in a Clan Castle for DEFENSE. Now I don't mind getting those troops if I ask for them. But otherwise give archers.

With the addition of the stat, more and more is my castle filled with giants. This is a flaw and should be tweaked somehow. These troops are a deficit for those that save them for Defense.

Thanks

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Pekkas and dragons aren't good for defence? OBJECTION!

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Originally Posted by conorbear1

Pekkas and dragons aren't good for defence? OBJECTION!

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Lol... Don't forget wizards...
Just 5 of them ruined a 200k raid for me....

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Originally Posted by KAHN

I remember a post similar to this a few months ago, except it was complainers complaining about getting barbarians...

If you don't like the troops you get,
Quit, and put all your resources off to one side.

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ABSOLUTELY Agree!!! If you dont like the donations you get, you should find a clan that has a default archer donation policy. I think its important to remember that different people have different strategies and use different troops. What is useless to you might be another plauers' favourite troop.

In any case, let us not forget, any request is precisely that.... A REQUEST!!! Not an order. If you make a request and your clan mates give you anything, use it or dump it. If the donations you receive are really getting on your nerves, move on!

If your defense is strong, frankly 25 archers in your cc should not make much of a difference. A good player, would drag those little archers out and kill them first before sending their troops in anyway.

Anyone that donates giants should be sneered at and ostracised.

Dreadful donation in every single way, and I would never entertain the idea of being in a clan that thought that was acceptable.

Giants should get a negative donation effect on the donation stat.

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Originally Posted by Taz

ABSOLUTELY Agree!!! If you dont like the donations you get, you should find a clan that has a default archer donation policy. I think its important to remember that different people have different strategies and use different troops. What is useless to you might be another plauers' favourite troop.

In any case, let us not forget, any request is precisely that.... A REQUEST!!! Not an order. If you make a request and your clan mates give you anything, use it or dump it. If the donations you receive are really getting on your nerves, move on!

If your defense is strong, frankly 25 archers in your cc should not make much of a difference. A good player, would drag those little archers out and kill them first before sending their troops in anyway.

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25 archers make a huge difference, at every trophy level.

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Originally Posted by Growler

25 archers make a huge difference, at every trophy level.

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Quote for truth.

that 25 archer was the key that allowed a th6(at that time) like me to defend against a Pekka !

and they totally pwn giants, dragons too :o

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Originally Posted by LordPothog

The number is flawed. I would go as far as to say that this should be changed so that each troop counts as 1 unit again, regardless of slots it takes in the castle.

Why? At the beginning of each week, people donate worthless castle troops to pad the number. People give Giants, balloons, wizards, dragons and Pekkas to pad the stat. These troops are very worthless in a Clan Castle for DEFENSE. Now I don't mind getting those troops if I ask for them. But otherwise give archers.

With the addition of the stat, more and more is my castle filled with giants. This is a flaw and should be tweaked somehow. These troops are a deficit for those that save them for Defense.

Thanks

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Join Kak dela - archer only clan...we "understand" the importance of 25 L5 archers in your clan castle...soon to be L6! lol

Lol... Sorry, I forgot that some yards have to make up for their poor defences with strong troops from their clan mates...
It has been awhile since my yard couldn't stand on its own....

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Originally Posted by KAHN

Lol... Sorry, I forgot that some yards have to make up for their poor defences with strong troops from their clan mates...
It has been awhile since my yard couldn't stand on its own....

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If you were in a better clan which donates better troops you might lose less resources when raided.

As long as your loot lost during raids is not zero, there are always room for improvement.

It's ok, we all learn.

25 archers=5000 elixir
5 giants=15,000 elixir
1 pekka=50,000 elixir
So people get booted from clans for spending more elixir...

I keep my clan castle right in the middle of my yard, so having pekka or giants slow down the enemy for my mortars to rip them apart works for me...
Plus whenever archers come out of a clan castle... They are easily wiped out with one lightning spell...
So really, it's a matter of how your yard is set up....

Someone has an unbeatable 'yard'?

Wow.

I am not looking forward to the time I come up against him and the lumbering giants that come out of his clan castle. How on earth will I ever cope?

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Originally Posted by Growler

Someone has an unbeatable 'yard'?

Wow.

I am not looking forward to the time I come up against him and the lumbering giants that come out of his clan castle. How on earth will I ever cope?

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Who has an unbeatable yard??

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Originally Posted by carlito

Join Kak dela - archer only clan...we "understand" the importance of 25 L5 archers in your clan castle...soon to be L6! lol

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Yes.... Forget what I said about the lightening spell......
Everyone put archers in your clan castle.....
They are unbeatable......

Hehehehehehe

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Originally Posted by KAHN

Who has an unbeatable yard??

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You do mate. With your castle full of giants.

Scary stuff.

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Originally Posted by Growler

You do mate. With your castle full of giants.

Scary stuff.

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Originally Posted by Sandalhat

As long as your loot lost during raids is not zero, there are always room for improvement.

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I think you saw someone else write that about loot lost is zero.... And they weren't talking about anyone in particular...
I just say donate what you can...

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Originally Posted by KAHN

I think you saw someone else write that about loot lost is zero.... And they weren't talking about anyone in particular...
I just say donate what you can...

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If people request them, or you know they are happy to receive them, then there is no problem donating giants.

Making one of the least desirable clan castle troops your default donation is ridiculous and counter productive.

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Originally Posted by KAHN

50....
Now where is everyone's clan castle that renders giants useless?
And btw... We do give the troops ppl want in my clan.. I'm just saying that if you don't specify what you want... You take what you get...

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Originally Posted by Growler

If people request them, or you know they are happy to receive them, then there is no problem donating giants.

Making one of the least desirable clan castle troops your default donation is ridiculous and counter productive.

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So we are actually agreeing???
♥♥♥♥... I misunderstood what your point was... My apologies....

Thanks for the feedback everyone. I'm surprised this generated this much discussion but some very good points made on both sides. May have been a slight knee jerk post. I do like my clan, just some of the newer members are doing this. Most of them do end up getting kicked and believe me I let people know if I get a castle of giants.

Good discussion on both sides of the fence.

In our clan, it's a rule to donate archers, unless otherwise requested. This also keeps chatter down. If you want archers, just request. No need to say anything.

People who continuously break the rules get kicked.

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Originally Posted by KAHN

25 archers=5000 elixir
5 giants=15,000 elixir
1 pekka=50,000 elixir
So people get booted from clans for spending more elixir...

I keep my clan castle right in the middle of my yard, so having pekka or giants slow down the enemy for my mortars to rip them apart works for me...
Plus whenever archers come out of a clan castle... They are easily wiped out with one lightning spell...
So really, it's a matter of how your yard is set up....

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That is being deliberately obtuse. People are not getting booted for spending more, they are getting booted for donating troops others don't want in order to pad a stupid donation stat.

This is a two way street here. Sure you should be reasonably respectful if someone accidentally donates something you don't like, but at the same time if someone requests archers it is rather rude to simply ignore that and donate giants. If they get 10 archers and 15 giants, they are likely to dump the entire castle and request again.

This is a waste of time and resources for everyone (you, them, and the other people that donated the requested troop) and rather rude to the other members of your clan.

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Originally Posted by KAHN

Yes.... Forget what I said about the lightening spell......
Everyone put archers in your clan castle.....
They are unbeatable......

Hehehehehehe

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they're more useful than giants. lol

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Originally Posted by Baconman

If you make every troop worth 1 on the counter, someone donating 1 level 3 PEKKA would get less credit than someone else donating 5 level 1 barbarians. Sorry, but I think it's fine the way it is.

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I agree!

Someone gives away a 50000e PEKKA lv3 ant the other gives a 100e BARBARIAN lev5 and they should count as the same?

I use the Clan Castle for defence but I am more than grateful if they give me a DRAGON or a PEKKA or even 5 giants!

if you want archers then ask with a polite way for archers like "archers would be prefered please" ! and if someone has to spare you will get! if not beggers cant be choosers!


Also some people on donations Ask but they dont fill other donations pending! they wait to see if the other gives then give!

IT IS CALLED DONATION GUYS NOT TRANSACTION!

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Originally Posted by DragonLord

I agree!

Someone gives away a 50000e PEKKA lv3 ant the other gives a 100e BARBARIAN lev5 and they should count as the same?

I use the Clan Castle for defence but I am more than grateful if they give me a DRAGON or a PEKKA or even 5 giants!

if you want archers then ask with a polite way for archers like "archers would be prefered please" ! and if someone has to spare you will get! if not beggers cant be choosers!


Also some people on donations Ask but they dont fill other donations pending! they wait to see if the other gives then give!

IT IS CALLED DONATION GUYS NOT TRANSACTION!

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Thanks for your support!!!

Absolutely Agree. It is a donation. Its FREE! In my opinion, common decency and good manners dictates that when someone gives you something for free, you say thank you!

I think if anybody has any preference, they should state first (along the lines of ' I would prefer archers if you have any PLEASE'. Its bad manners to DEMAND. And if you dont like what you get, keep SCHTUM! No need to offend or disrespect anybody who has shown their generosity towards you.

When you have been in a clan for a while, you are a community, almost like a family. I dont think any clan leader would just kick you simply because you donation count is lower or keep you in because your donation count is high. People tend to be kicked because they are not active or fit in with the other people in the clan. People stay in a clan because of the people that are in it, people they get on well with and can have a laugh and share a joke between troop training, not because of donations you receive. A clan leader would know who are the people that a team players. Sometimes people build more expensive troops just to donate because they are maxed on Elixir.

Its sad that people seem to think having 25 archers in their CC is the be all and end all to save them from attacks. It does help for sure but any good player knows how to drag them out and kill them. My advice, if you are so worried about defense, UPGRADE your defenses!!!

Stop being so demanding and ungrateful!!!

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Originally Posted by Taz

Absolutely Agree. It is a donation. Its FREE! In my opinion, common decency and good manners dictates that when someone gives you something for free, you say thank you!

I think if anybody has any preference, they should state first (along the lines of ' I would prefer archers if you have any PLEASE'. Its bad manners to DEMAND. And if you dont like what you get, keep SCHTUM! No need to offend or disrespect anybody who has shown their generosity towards you.

When you have been in a clan for a while, you are a community, almost like a family. I dont think any clan leader would just kick you simply because you donation count is lower or keep you in because your donation count is high. People tend to be kicked because they are not active or fit in with the other people in the clan. People stay in a clan because of the people that are in it, people they get on well with and can have a laugh and share a joke between troop training, not because of donations you receive. A clan leader would know who are the people that a team players. Sometimes people build more expensive troops just to donate because they are maxed on Elixir.

Its sad that people seem to think having 25 archers in their CC is the be all and end all to save them from attacks. It does help for sure but any good player knows how to drag them out and kill them. My advice, if you are so worried about defense, UPGRADE your defenses!!!

Stop being so demanding and ungrateful!!!

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except people giving me giants does cost me. I could have a clan castle full of troops that will be good defenders of my base, but instead its filled with giants,a troop I don't use and don't want. If there was an infinite amount of space in a clan castle then I wouldn't mind giants, but there isn't.

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Originally Posted by Mendax

except people giving me giants does cost me. I could have a clan castle full of troops that will be good defenders of my base, but instead its filled with giants,a troop I don't use and don't want. If there was an infinite amount of space in a clan castle then I wouldn't mind giants, but there isn't.

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Farm harder and upgrade your defense, upgrade your Barb King or Archer Queen, buy more bombs and traps. You should not rely so heavily on 25 archers for your defense.

And ask sweetly to your clan mates and I am sure they will donate to you generously. But dont be ungrateful or demanding. Its a bad character trait.

AND if the donations (FREE) you are receiving for your clan mates bother you so much, GO FIND ANOTHER CLAN THAT ONLY DONATES ARCHERS!!! You clearly are not there for the friendliness of your clan mates.

Why in the world would anyone donate giants/balloons just to boost their donation count? Barbs/Archers would be cheaper/quicker to build even considering that giants count as 5 troops technically.

I don't think your clan members are trying to boost their donation count OP, your clan members simply don't understand which troops are best to donate.

This turned into a troop debate...

90% of the time, when I need troops, I'm getting them for attacking... If I need something for defense, I ask for defensive troops..
I don't know why people are so picky with troops, especially since they are provided free...
In a good clan, there is never any problems getting what you need.
And if anyone accuses you of "padding" your troop counts, just ask what troops they want. And if it becomes a problem, just find a clan that has more team players in it.
It just sounds like a lot of people aren't doing their part in their clans to keep the peace.
If there is a rule in the clan of archers only, and you are giving something else.. then it's not teamwork, and that player should be warned, I agree!
This is a very simple problem with a very simple solution...

Be a part of the clan, or get out!

Quit complaining about being in a terrible clan. Because thats what your in.

In our clan you want defense you say it and you get archers. Anything else not an accident and the person who gave it to you gets warned.

Dont blame the game because your not smart enough to find a better clan.

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Originally Posted by DragonLord

I agree!

Someone gives away a 50000e PEKKA lv3 ant the other gives a 100e BARBARIAN lev5 and they should count as the same?

I use the Clan Castle for defence but I am more than grateful if they give me a DRAGON or a PEKKA or even 5 giants!

if you want archers then ask with a polite way for archers like "archers would be prefered please" ! and if someone has to spare you will get! if not beggers cant be choosers!


Also some people on donations Ask but they dont fill other donations pending! they wait to see if the other gives then give!

IT IS CALLED DONATION GUYS NOT TRANSACTION!

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Of course it is a transaction. Everyone gives to each other, if you don't you are useless.

Dumping off your unwanted troops or lumbering a clan mate with useless defensive troops just to boost your donating stat also makes you a useless clan member and irritates everyone.

Archers are unquestionably the best thing to donate, it should alway be the default donation.

There is no way that I would be greatful that someone has deliberately decreased the defence of my base meaning I have to wait another 20 minutes until I get a useful castle. Everyone constantly having to make requests would clog up the chat and make it useless.

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Originally Posted by Taz

Farm harder and upgrade your defense, upgrade your Barb King or Archer Queen, buy more bombs and traps. You should not rely so heavily on 25 archers for your defense.

And ask sweetly to your clan mates and I am sure they will donate to you generously. But dont be ungrateful or demanding. Its a bad character trait.

AND if the donations (FREE) you are receiving for your clan mates bother you so much, GO FIND ANOTHER CLAN THAT ONLY DONATES ARCHERS!!! You clearly are not there for the friendliness of your clan mates.

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Rubbish. A maxed base needs a castle full of archers.

the donations are not free.

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Originally Posted by Growler

Rubbish. A maxed base needs a castle full of archers.

the donations are not free.

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That is your opinion. I also think that archers are valuable for defense as well, but they aren't the only choice for everyone. You are being very close minded about this fact, and your thoughts are well known now, so why do you keep repeating yourself?

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Originally Posted by KAHN

90% of the time, when I need troops, I'm getting them for attacking... If I need something for defense, I ask for defensive troops..
In a good clan, there is never any problems getting what you need.

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Originally Posted by Alky

In our clan you want defense you say it and you get archers. Anything else not an accident and the person who gave it to you gets warned.

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You are trying to argue with me, but you are saying almost the same thing as me.....
Are you just looking for an argument?

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Originally Posted by KAHN

That is your opinion. I also think that archers are valuable for defense as well, but they aren't the only choice for everyone. You are being very close minded about this fact, and your thoughts are well known now, so why do you keep repeating yourself?

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Laughable, you have repeated yourself over and over again. It seems you just want responses that back your wrong headed stance.

i will continue to correct posters that are wrong for as long as they talk rubbish.

I do hope you continue your crusade to cripple your clans clan castles, it will just make it easier for the rest of us.

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Originally Posted by Growler

Laughable, you have repeated yourself over and over again. It seems you just want responses that back your wrong headed stance.

i will continue to correct posters that are wrong for as long as they talk rubbish.

I do hope you continue your crusade to cripple your clans clan castles, it will just make it easier for the rest of us.

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Congratulations on your 350th negative post.
Maybe thinking in a more positive way will improve your results in the game, and make you able to rely less on your clan mates for the defence of your yard.

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Originally Posted by KAHN

You are trying to argue with me, but you are saying almost the same thing as me.....
Are you just looking for an argument?

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♥♥♥ r u talking about. Im addressing the threads creator. I didnt even read half the posts here. Why would you assume I am talking to you. I dont know you.

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Originally Posted by Alky

♥♥♥ r u talking about. Im addressing the threads creator. I didnt even read half the posts here. Why would you assume I am talking to you. I dont know you.

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Lol.. My bad... Your post was directly after mine, and I thought you were Growler giving another one of his uplifting opinions....
I didn't even look at the name.
My apologies....

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Originally Posted by KAHN

Congratulations on your 350th negative post.
Maybe thinking in a more positive way will improve your results in the game, and make you able to rely less on your clan mates for the defence of your yard.

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I am pretty sure my results in the game are superior to yours. Everyone relies on their clan mates to help protect their 'yard' if they have any sense, it is one of the main parts of the game.

I'm not arguing with you for my own sake, you are posting bad advice on a forum and there is a chance that others will accept what you say and make the same mistakes you are.

clan troops are important for defence no matter how strong your defences are.

Giants are a poor donation, not great for attack from a castle and terrible for defence.

Giants are used by poor donators to pad out their donation stat, or those that want to be the top donator.

Donations are not free, it is quid pro quo.

Each to their own, some like giants. I am simply correcting the incorrect claims you have made in opposition to the op.

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Originally Posted by Growler

I am pretty sure my results in the game are superior to yours. Everyone relies on their clan mates to help protect their 'yard' if they have any sense, it is one of the main parts of the game.

I'm not arguing with you for my own sake, you are posting bad advice on a forum and there is a chance that others will accept what you say and make the same mistakes you are.

clan troops are important for defence no matter how strong your defences are.

Giants are a poor donation, not great for attack from a castle and terrible for defence.

Giants are used by poor donators to pad out their donation stat, or those that want to be the top donator.

Donations are not free, it is quid pro quo.

Each to their own, some like giants. I am simply correcting the incorrect claims you have made in opposition to the op.

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Why would anyone donate giants to raise their donation levels when they could simply mass produce barbs instead? Obviously barbs are significantly cheaper and would be the logical option for someone trying to inflate their donations.

These people arn't donating giants to raise their donation levels, they're just idiots who think "oh look someone wants troops, I have a giant i'll donate that". Find a better clan if you arn't getting the troops you need.

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Originally Posted by takechip

Why would anyone donate giants to raise their donation levels when they could simply mass produce barbs instead? Obviously barbs are insanely cheaper and would be the thought process of someone just trying to increase their donation levels.

Your thought process here make no sense at all. These people arn't donating giants to raise their donation levels, they're just idiots who think "oh look someone wants troops, I have a giant i'll donate that"

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You are wrong. You are getting 25 donations for a request. With barbs it is 5, then you have to wait for another request. The elixir cost is negligable unless you are a low level.

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Originally Posted by Growler

You are wrong. You are getting 25 donations for a request. With barbs it is 5, then you have to wait for another request. The elixir cost is negligable unless you are a low level.

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What are you talking about? You can only donate one giant per donation which is the same as donating 5 barbs in term of your donation score.

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Originally Posted by takechip

What are you talking about? You can only donate one giant per donation which is the same as donating 5 barbs in term of your donation score.

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No, you can send 5 troops in total not fill 5 slots. So you can send 5 giants to someone with a level 4 CC and get +25 to your donation score.

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Originally Posted by takechip

What are you talking about? You can only donate one giant per donation which is the same as donating 5 barbs in term of your donation score.

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Great, I'm arguing with a halfwit.

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Originally Posted by takechip

What are you talking about? You can only donate one giant per donation which is the same as donating 5 barbs in term of your donation score.

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unless something has changed in the last patch, you can donate 5 giants for 25 donation credits.

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Originally Posted by Growler

I am pretty sure my results in the game are superior to yours.

Each to their own, some like giants. I am simply correcting the incorrect claims you have made in opposition to the op.

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Originally Posted by Growler

If people request them, or you know they are happy to receive them, then there is no problem donating giants.

Making one of the least desirable clan castle troops your default donation is ridiculous and counter productive.

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I have not given any advice in this thread.
You keep trying to put me on the defensive by saying my default donation is giants, even though this is false.
I do not agree with you when you say that archers are the only troop that should be donated, no other opinions accepted, and then you take it back by saying there is no problem donating giants.
I think the reason that I have a hard time understanding the "pad the stats" thing is because I have no one in my clan that needs to do that. Donations have not changed since they started counting them.

Finally, I have not heard anyone use the word "superior" since the last time I watched ww2 in color, and I really didn't like the guy that was saying it...(I would think again before using it to refer to another persons abilities or military strength)

Feel free to PM each other about this intriguing matter...

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Originally Posted by KAHN

I have not given any advice in this thread.
You keep trying to put me on the defensive by saying my default donation is giants, even though this is false.
I do not agree with you when you say that archers are the only troop that should be donated, no other opinions accepted, action. They aren't. then you take it back by saying there is no problem donating giants.
I think the reason that I have a hard time understanding the "pad the stats" thing is because I have no one in my clan that needs to do that. Donations have not changed since they started counting them.


Finally, I have not heard anyone use the word "superior" since the last time I watched ww2 in color, and I really didn't like the guy that was saying it...(I would think again before using it to refer to another persons abilities or military strength)

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You have 'always' given giants as donations, and your repeated defence and claims about how good they are on defence suggest you think they are a great donation.


i did not say that archers are all that should be donated, I have repeatedly said requests for other troops are perfectly acceptable and obvious.


Your claims about you clan donations mean nothing. You have a group of people happy that their leader dumps giants on them all the time.


As for your drivel about the word 'superior', that is your problem. I think you are a bit simple calling your base your 'yard'. You have repeatedly tried to suggest appreciating a strong clan castle on defence is a sign of a poor player that needs to improve. The exact opposite is in fact true.


You have repeatedly been confrontational and belligerent on this thread. The embarrassing thing for you is that you have been repeatedly wrong as well.

Take your argument somewhere else please..

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Originally Posted by Growler

Anyone that donates giants should be sneered at and ostracised.

Dreadful donation in every single way, and I would never entertain the idea of being in a clan that thought that was acceptable.

Giants should get a negative donation effect on the donation stat.

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Originally Posted by Growler

Giants are a poor donation, not great for attack from a castle and terrible for defence.

Giants are used by poor donators to pad out their donation stat, or those that want to be the top donator.

Each to their own, some like giants. I

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Originally Posted by Growler

Rubbish. A maxed base needs a castle full of archers.

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Originally Posted by Growler

If people request them, or you know they are happy to receive them, then there is no problem donating giants.

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What is our argument again?
I'll just let you argue with yourself.

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Originally Posted by Junliang

Take your argument somewhere else please..

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My apologies, I will bow out and not reply to this thread anymore. He is clearly the superior one.

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Originally Posted by Growler

Great, I'm arguing with a halfwit.

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I don't have a dog in this fight, but damn...PWNED!

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Originally Posted by KAHN

What is our argument again?
I'll just let you argue with yourself.

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He's arguing that you shouldn't donate giants to someone unless they explicitly request them. And, while his tone might not be the nicest, I do agree with him. It's like you can only hold 25 coins in your pocket, and some one gives you 25 pennies when you know you could have 25 quarters. Please Don't give me pennies unless I say I want them.

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Originally Posted by Mendax

He's arguing that you shouldn't donate giants to someone unless they explicitly request them. And, while his tone might not be the nicest, I do agree with him. It's like you can only hold 25 coins in your pocket, and some one gives you 25 pennies when you know you could have 25 quarters. Please Don't give me pennies unless I say I want them.

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agree with your main point but i think your analogy needs a lot of work.

-nitpicking because i care

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Originally Posted by resnullius

agree with your main point but i think your analogy needs a lot of work.

-nitpicking because i care

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Would you say instead, that it's like having ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife?

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Originally Posted by dahimi

Would say instead, that it's like having ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife?

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Hah! Donating giants is like rain on your wedding day.

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Originally Posted by KAHN

You do realize that these are free troops you are getting, and being picky about what you get for free is not good practice.

I have always given giants for clan castle troops, and if anyone says I'm padding my numbers, I call b s .
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Originally Posted by KAHN

I agree...
I have had people that complain about what they get, then when people take too long to make the troops they want they started getting mad.
I just booted them....

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Originally Posted by KAHN

I remember a post similar to this a few months ago, except it was complainers complaining about getting barbarians...

If you don't like the troops you get,
Quit, and put all your resources off to one side.

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Originally Posted by KAHN

Lol... Sorry, I forgot that some yards have to make up for their poor defences with strong troops from their clan mates...
It has been awhile since my yard couldn't stand on its own....

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Originally Posted by KAHN

I keep my clan castle right in the middle of my yard, so having pekka or giants slow down the enemy for my mortars to rip them apart .

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Originally Posted by KAHN

Yes.... Forget what I said about the lightening spell......
Everyone put archers in your clan castle.....
They are unbeatable......

Hehehehehehe

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Originally Posted by KAHN

This turned into a troop debate...

90% of the time, when I need troops, I'm getting them for attacking... If I need something for defense, I ask for defensive troops..
I don't know why people are so picky with troops, especially since they are provided for free.

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Here are the comments I am arguing against. I have removed the facile and irrelevant parts of the posts.


Happy to help.

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Originally Posted by resnullius

agree with your main point but i think your analogy needs a lot of work.

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Originally Posted by resnullius

-nitpicking because i care

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Why? I suppose its more like only getting 5 pennies...

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Originally Posted by dahimi

Would you say instead, that it's like having ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife?

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it's like meeting the man of your dreams, and he's a giant.

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Originally Posted by Growler

Happy to help.

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Increase the length of this thread by a couple pages?

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Originally Posted by mcauliffetj

Increase the length of this thread by a couple pages?

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there are worse things than increasing the page count of a thread directed to a philosophical debate relating to gameplay on a video game's public forums. typing that sentence, for example....

in my eyes, growler is fighting the good fight. kahn was pretty up front and clear that he thought donating giants was awesome. if you take nothing else from this thread, please understand that donating giants is NOT awesome.

giants are slow and they get obliterated by a few high-tier troops or hordes of low-tier troops. they don't slow much of anything attacking your base. in contrast, archers provide great offense on defense, and you can store so many more archers in your clan castle. each one "absorbs" a dragon breath or many weaker attacks (due to the fact that the AI will frequently focus fire). in this manner, hordes of archers are deceptively resilient when they don't face splash damage. see the phenomenon of 25 archers in a clan castle single handedly defeating dragon(s).

now, with faster lightning spells abound, and the fact that i've experience far more attacks using lightning on my clan castle since the last patch, things may be different in the future. but giants are definitely not the answer. i would donate giants ONLY if specifically requested by a clan mate who had forgotten to make any and was about to raid. that's pretty much the only scenario i can think of.

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Originally Posted by mcauliffetj

Increase the length of this thread by a couple pages?

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Does each page kill a virtual tree or something? KAHN did specifically ask what the argument was about, growler is just answering the question.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

Does each page kill a virtual tree or something? KAHN did specifically ask what the argument was about, growler is just answering the question.

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I would have said similar to Kahn as well if he had left me open for a snarky comment. My point was that their argument was unnecessarily long. Also I am quite the fan of virtual trees, anyhow ill bow out of this one now.