But it sounds like you run a maxish lineup. You do realize that even with the new changes to the MM a maxed any base (other than th11) will still have a high probability of pulling a base at the next th level. Barring participating in a structure lineup league there is zero chance that the MM can give every clan a perfect th vs th match, it is just not possible with the immense amount of variability that exists in this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Playforwar
I had trouble with quotes as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by WookieFloyd
But I disagree. I think a 9 should pull a 9, 10 a 10, and so on. As I've already explained, I worked my way through 9 that way and hope to do the same at 10. 9.5 has too much of an advantage on a 9. In fact I'm tiring of all the 9.5 talk, it's a 10.
Two maxed 9s, two or three mid 9s, new 9 or 2, and couple of 8s.I just can't understand why we would begin pulling multiple 10s consistently.Quote:
Originally Posted by WookieFloyd
It is a th10 that is true, people just want to always try to classify things. Regardless of what th anything is I am fairly certain that SC has already decided that they felt in previous MMs that maxed bases had far too much of an advantage, and that resulted in permamaxing and a halt in base progression.Quote:
Originally Posted by Playforwar
Lets say you war at th8 and 9 and only bring fully maxed bases to war. Based on your opinion of how MM should work you will always have an advantage in war because there will be so few other clans with your exact lineup that you will just match clans with newer th8s and 9s. How is this fair? Oh wait you only seem to think there is a small advantage between a new th9 and a max th9 facing eachother. Now I get the fact that this match may be more fair then matching a clan with a bunch of defenseless th11s with max hereoes, but just because it's more fair doesn't make it fair.
edit: I think what you are looking for is a league....
Maybe I should look at a league. Also, I would consider myself a tempamaxer. I just want to enjoy the warring for a short while without worrying about upgrades before moving to 10. I actually don't like the term permamax. You nor I know when someone is ready to upgrade their th. At least you do admit that a maxer based mm would be more fair. So thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by WookieFloyd
I never said anything about a maxer based MM, nor would I ever think that this would be a fair way for SC to change the MM too. I only said a max th9 matching a newish th9 would be more fair then matching with defenseless th11s with max troops, but still not fair. I am fairly certain a maxer based MM would result in just as many poor unwinnable mismatches for the casual rusher clan as the MM we have now. Just instead of them facing engineers they will just face maxers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Playforwar
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Originally Posted by DBlaze
The thing you both and all those threads have in common is that you aren't casual. You represent a more serious/hardcore clasher and you're saying "this is what I find fun," "this is what I don't find fun" and lumping the majority with you and saying the game is bad health if we don't change something for the casuals.Quote:
Originally Posted by JFSoul
This is akin to the bowler/miner nerf and PowerBang coming out and saying they need to be nerfed for the betterment of the game, I wonder how casuals took that nerf when some more hardcore players on this forum subsequently quit thereafter? Was Power Bang wrong? Well he represents an even more hardcore faction so therefore he and his many supporters were correct, but for their ilk, did they consult the wider community? Heck no, but yet he advocated for the wider community based on his own experiences.
Now how many of you actually war with casuals and I mean true casuals that don't even know about the forums, don't even watch youtube don't regularly clean up TH8s and TH9s in war? How many of you actually do that? How many would even entertain the idea of including such a player in their clan? I would say very few but yet you are trying to represent these guys without even knowing first what they want, you're all basing your opinion on what you want and applying it.
Case in point:
You want to face your equals in war and think everyone else wants that..... do they really? Factor in this game outside of war is based on big fish eat the little fish, war only being 2 attacks in 48 hours, how many casual clashers do you think have the same mentality when approaching war of big fish eating little fish would automatically switch to mano y mano?
How many do you think can make that switch? Again these are stats and data none of us have but yet some people think because they can write long essays on the state of the game that their opinions are somehow more valid when representing the majority of the clasher base.
Hmmm very interesting pov. Never thought about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKL2207
You are missing something, I think. The usual line of thought is that engineering hurts casuals both because they don't engineer themselves and because they are the primary prey of engineers, most likely to be in the wider th spread mixed lineup family and friends clans. That hurts the game because it means they can win less wars than they would have done if matched with other friends and family clans, and so have less fun than they would have done at war and are more likely to drop out of warring altogether. So when someone says something like "the matchmaker advantage from engineering should be kerbed for the betterment of the game" they aren't trying to speak for the casuals as if they shared that mentality, or pretending to represent a majority, but rather are speaking up to say something both sensible and plausible going from pretty well established facts about engineering, people's enjoyment, and what happens when people perceive systematic unfairness or excess difficulty (such as being repeatedly beaten up by bigger troops than any of them have).Quote:
Originally Posted by JKL2207
Hmmm more interesting pov. Nice rebuttalQuote:
Originally Posted by Tomville