How to nerf hogs and make level 11 walls useful at the same time

Currently, even after their health reduction, hog riders are still being used by many top players and are seen as somewhat of an over powered troop. On the other hand, level 11 walls are both expensive at 4 million a piece, and not very useful, with more people using hogs, balloons, level 6 wallbreakers, and other reasons. So why not fix both problems with one solution?

Make level 11 walls zap hog riders when they jump over them. Not completely kill them, but do some damage.

• It makes hogs harder to use on maxed out bases
• It makes level 11 walls have value
• Makes $$$ for supercell from people gemming their walls

What's not to love? :)

My apologies if this has been posted already

[More details, information, replies to feedback, etc. to come later]

Sidenote: I know this is classified as an idea, but I'm wondering I should suggest it in "General" for more reviews and feedback, would that be allowed?

How bout lvl 11 walls do 50-100 damage to any troop going over them, including flying troops?

Hogs aren't as op as before, but this seems like a good idea.

You can beat Hog attacks,, it's fine the way it is.. just leave it alone learn to design your base against it and quit whining

The same could be said for flame walls too, which is an interesting concept.

In Crucible's last trophy push most attacks were either mass bloons or mass hogs - both of which ignore walls regardless of level.

Considering walls are by far the biggest investment it's pretty rough to see them rendered useless in higher level gameplay.

Perhaps some form of damage from the walls should be in place as they jump/fly over.

It would however have to be very small to prevent knocking the game out of balance. Also considering these troops will pass several sets of walls during attack.

Example.

Lv 10 [Flame wall] 5HP damage as units fly/jump over
Lv 11 [Electric wall] 10HP damage as units fly/jump over

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Originally Posted by daz258

Lv 10 [Flame wall] 5HP damage as units fly/jump over
Lv 11 [Electric wall] 10HP damage as units fly/jump over

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This is an interesting approach to hogs and balloons actually. I still think that the issue should be approached from a base creation point. Hogs were nerfed a bit and new strategies have been suggested for defending against mass hog attacks.

Okay, Then Max Base become OVER POWER. Endless wars.

I think the best way to balance them is to make them 6 housing space like they originally were. At 5 housing space, people can currently have a full army of 48, at 6 they'd only be able to have 40. Doesn't seem like a lot of difference, but this way Supercell wouldn't have to nerf them to the point where they're basically useless, but make them so a 3 star win is difficult at least.

I don't think it's fair for people to have advantages over wall levels, plus it'll bring up the infamous 'paying to win' conversations again.

Thanks for all the feedback so far :)

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Originally Posted by BenG

How bout lvl 11 walls do 50-100 damage to any troop going over them, including flying troops?

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That's a ton of damage, it would insta-kill or severely hurt minions

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Originally Posted by Fluzz

Hogs aren't as op as before, but this seems like a good idea.

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Thanks :)

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Originally Posted by MrRich40

You can beat Hog attacks,, it's fine the way it is.. just leave it alone learn to design your base against it and quit whining

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Not whining, just problem solving. When most top players use the same tactic, out of all the possible tactics, I think that means something is wrong with balance.

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Originally Posted by daz258

The same could be said for flame walls too, which is an interesting concept.

In Crucible's last trophy push most attacks were either mass bloons or mass hogs - both of which ignore walls regardless of level.

Considering walls are by far the biggest investment it's pretty rough to see them rendered useless in higher level gameplay.

Perhaps some form of damage from the walls should be in place as they jump/fly over.

It would however have to be very small to prevent knocking the game out of balance. Also considering these troops will pass several sets of walls during attack.

Example.

Lv 10 [Flame wall] 5HP damage as units fly/jump over
Lv 11 [Electric wall] 10HP damage as units fly/jump over

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I was also thinking something like this with level 10 walls, but I didn't want to make the OP too overcomplicated by including level 10 walls or how much damage would be dealt. Those numbers sound fair, mind if I edit some things from your post into the OP?

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Originally Posted by Veraplay

This is an interesting approach to hogs and balloons actually. I still think that the issue should be approached from a base creation point. Hogs were nerfed a bit and new strategies have been suggested for defending against mass hog attacks.

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If everyone is creating a new base to defend against hogs, then that base is now vulnerable to something else, which is then declared OP and used by everyone. The cycle would probably continue until it eventually came back to hogs. By adding a new game mechanic, hopefully the result would be a balance of different army compositions being used on different bases.

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Originally Posted by Bichho

Okay, Then Max Base become OVER POWER. Endless wars.

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Over powered against certain troops, causing new armies, strategies, etc. to be used.

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Originally Posted by ryskew

I think the best way to balance them is to make them 6 housing space like they originally were. At 5 housing space, people can currently have a full army of 48, at 6 they'd only be able to have 40. Doesn't seem like a lot of difference, but this way Supercell wouldn't have to nerf them to the point where they're basically useless, but make them so a 3 star win is difficult at least.

I don't think it's fair for people to have advantages over wall levels, plus it'll bring up the infamous 'paying to win' conversations again.

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Changing housing space to 6 is a very good idea, honestly it's probably better and easier to implement than mine. And the pay to win debate is one that the players may not like, but profit is profit. Hopefully, there will eventually be something that is un-gemmable *cough* clan wars *cough* that shows how good people are at raiding each other.

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Originally Posted by ryskew

I don't think it's fair for people to have advantages over wall levels, plus it'll bring up the infamous 'paying to win' conversations again.

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You don't have to pay to win it will just take you longer to get there. This game is completely free if played wisely and anyone seriously trying to get to the top of the leaderboards without paying is kidding themselves. Also, the "paying to win" conversation will be present for a long time since it's a new niche that gaming companies are using to profit. The player just needs to make a conscious decision as to how they're going to play the game: pay or no pay.

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Originally Posted by allonod

If everyone is creating a new base to defend against hogs, then that base is now vulnerable to something else, which is then declared OP and used by everyone. The cycle would probably continue until it eventually came back to hogs. By adding a new game mechanic, hopefully the result would be a balance of different army compositions being used on different bases.

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Your first line explains perfectly the premise behind a strategy game. The player must make a decision as to how he wants to build his base. Does the player want to make it strong against air attacks but leave themselves vulnerable to hog attacks? Does the player want to make it strong against hog attacks but vulnerable against air attacks? Or does the player want to make it strong against GOWIPE attacks but vulnerable to both air and hog attacks? This is the type of thinking that is occurring when one is deciding in a base to build.

Plus there's also the type of CC troops that the player requests. For example, last week Jetlife recommended using lvl 6 balloons inside the clan castle along with wizards or a dragon against hogs since lvl 6 balloons one hit KO' lvl 5 hogs. I personally tried that tactic and I won 4 out of my 5 defenses against level 5 mass hog attacks, unfortunately that was towards the end of our trophy hunt week and wasn't able to try it out more. But that's just an example of how a new idea can bring an effective counter to a certain type of attack. Of course having balloons in your cc means that you now have a slow troop that can easily be taken out by archers. There's a certain balance in the game that in order to be strong in one area you must be weak in another.

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Originally Posted by allonod

Thanks for all the feedback so far :)
I was also thinking something like this with level 10 walls, but I didn't want to make the OP too overcomplicated by including level 10 walls or how much damage would be dealt. Those numbers sound fair, mind if I edit some things from your post into the OP?

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Sure go ahead.

So troops using jump spell would also be damaged, correct?

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Originally Posted by InfinityBladeCOC

So troops using jump spell would also be damaged, correct?

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Hadn't considered that, but I would be inclined to say no in that case. The spell can create an immunity to the wall resistance in the process.

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Originally Posted by Fluzz

Hogs aren't as op as before, but this seems like a good idea.

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How can you make an opinion about hogs exactly? I don't think you face the same level of attacking skill as players 3+ do. Not sure what trophy level OP is at, but it seems like he still has a slight issue with hogs - he did make the thread.

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Originally Posted by Veraplay

You don't have to pay to win it will just take you longer to get there. This game is completely free if played wisely and anyone seriously trying to get to the top of the leaderboards without paying is kidding themselves. Also, the "paying to win" conversation will be present for a long time since it's a new niche that gaming companies are using to profit. The player just needs to make a conscious decision as to how they're going to play the game: pay or no pay.



Your first line explains perfectly the premise behind a strategy game. The player must make a decision as to how he wants to build his base. Does the player want to make it strong against air attacks but leave themselves vulnerable to hog attacks? Does the player want to make it strong against hog attacks but vulnerable against air attacks? Or does the player want to make it strong against GOWIPE attacks but vulnerable to both air and hog attacks? This is the type of thinking that is occurring when one is deciding in a base to build.

Plus there's also the type of CC troops that the player requests. For example, last week Jetlife recommended using lvl 6 balloons inside the clan castle along with wizards or a dragon against hogs since lvl 6 balloons one hit KO' lvl 5 hogs. I personally tried that tactic and I won 4 out of my 5 defenses against level 5 mass hog attacks, unfortunately that was towards the end of our trophy hunt week and wasn't able to try it out more. But that's just an example of how a new idea can bring an effective counter to a certain type of attack. Of course having balloons in your cc means that you now have a slow troop that can easily be taken out by archers. There's a certain balance in the game that in order to be strong in one area you must be weak in another.

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Just because a method works at 2200 trophies, does not mean it works everywhere. The balloons in CC method fails as soon as you pass like 2600, they occupy 1/6 of the CC meaning they only help the attacker lure the CC faster. Using your experience at a crystal league as an example doesn't help the OP's contention.

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Originally Posted by LowerTheCandelaPlease

Just because a method works at 2200 trophies, does not mean it works everywhere. The balloons in CC method fails as soon as you pass like 2600

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I love how you know exactly at what trophy level I was in and how far I reached during Masters. Were you trophy pushing with us? Wait...I don't think you were. Don't go assuming and talking out of your behind if you weren't there. I'm speaking from personal experience and I went up passed 2,700 trophies but wasn't able to fully push because my girlfriend was in town visiting. There's always more to the story than meets the eye and you shouldn't be spitting nonsense as if you're some type of fortune teller. Also, at the trophy number I was in, the balloons in my clan castle was STILL not a problem against hogs around the 2,700 range. I didn't get an opportunity to test it in the higher ranges for reasons already previously mentioned.

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Originally Posted by LowerTheCandelaPlease

they occupy 1/6 of the CC meaning they only help the attacker lure the CC faster.

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You are again ASSUMING that during the trophy push my CC was easily lureable. If your CC is difficult to lure the attacker will have no choice but to send out their hogs without being able to destroy the balloons. Hence my 4 out of 5 defense wins against hogs. This that you bring up wasn't a problem.

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Originally Posted by LowerTheCandelaPlease

Using your experience at a crystal league as an example doesn't help the OP's contention.

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There you go again ASSUMING. Please don't do that, it makes you look bad and invalidates your argument. I went past the crystal league if you would like for me to mention it again and almost reached Masters II but wasn't able to dedicate as much time to trophy pushing as to reasons mentioned earlier.

In the future, if you want to discuss an issue on any other thread don't mold the posters comments into what you believe if you have no proof or wasn't there along with the player. Assuming on the forums or in real life just makes you look like a simpleton.

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Originally Posted by Veraplay

You don't have to pay to win it will just take you longer to get there. This game is completely free if played wisely and anyone seriously trying to get to the top of the leaderboards without paying is kidding themselves. Also, the "paying to win" conversation will be present for a long time since it's a new niche that gaming companies are using to profit. The player just needs to make a conscious decision as to how they're going to play the game: pay or no pay.



Your first line explains perfectly the premise behind a strategy game. The player must make a decision as to how he wants to build his base. Does the player want to make it strong against air attacks but leave themselves vulnerable to hog attacks? Does the player want to make it strong against hog attacks but vulnerable against air attacks? Or does the player want to make it strong against GOWIPE attacks but vulnerable to both air and hog attacks? This is the type of thinking that is occurring when one is deciding in a base to build.

Plus there's also the type of CC troops that the player requests. For example, last week Jetlife recommended using lvl 6 balloons inside the clan castle along with wizards or a dragon against hogs since lvl 6 balloons one hit KO' lvl 5 hogs. I personally tried that tactic and I won 4 out of my 5 defenses against level 5 mass hog attacks, unfortunately that was towards the end of our trophy hunt week and wasn't able to try it out more. But that's just an example of how a new idea can bring an effective counter to a certain type of attack. Of course having balloons in your cc means that you now have a slow troop that can easily be taken out by archers. There's a certain balance in the game that in order to be strong in one area you must be weak in another.

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I guess hogs may not be quite as powerful as I had suspected. I guess I just saw a bunch of players on the leaderboards use them and figured that they must have been the only way to go. I guess the question I'm trying to figure out is, how can supercell nerf hogs enough to make them viable but not the only possible way to win.

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Originally Posted by daz258

Sure go ahead.

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Awesome, thanks. Too tired to do it now, will have it edited in sometime in the next 2 days hopefully.

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Originally Posted by InfinityBladeCOC

So troops using jump spell would also be damaged, correct?

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Originally Posted by daz258

Hadn't considered that, but I would be inclined to say no in that case. The spell can create an immunity to the wall resistance in the process.

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Hadn't thought about that, but letting other troops jump over walls without taking damage seems fair enough. The wiki says that the jump spell does not affect flying troops, hog riders, or wallbreakers; so I suppose this would mean that other troops could jump over safely while hog riders would still be hurt by the walls, because the spell does not effect them.

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Originally Posted by LowerTheCandelaPlease

How can you make an opinion about hogs exactly? I don't think you face the same level of attacking skill as players 3+ do. Not sure what trophy level OP is at, but it seems like he still has a slight issue with hogs - he did make the thread.



Just because a method works at 2200 trophies, does not mean it works everywhere. The balloons in CC method fails as soon as you pass like 2600, they occupy 1/6 of the CC meaning they only help the attacker lure the CC faster. Using your experience at a crystal league as an example doesn't help the OP's contention.

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Originally Posted by Veraplay

I love how you know exactly at what trophy level I was in and how far I reached during Masters. Were you trophy pushing with us? Wait...I don't think you were. Don't go assuming and talking out of your behind if you weren't there. I'm speaking from personal experience and I went up passed 2,700 trophies but wasn't able to fully push because my girlfriend was in town visiting. There's always more to the story than meets the eye and you shouldn't be spitting nonsense as if you're some type of fortune teller. Also, at the trophy number I was in, the balloons in my clan castle was STILL not a problem against hogs around the 2,700 range. I didn't get an opportunity to test it in the higher ranges for reasons already previously mentioned.




You are again ASSUMING that during the trophy push my CC was easily lureable. If your CC is difficult to lure the attacker will have no choice but to send out their hogs without being able to destroy the balloons. Hence my 4 out of 5 defense wins against hogs. This that you bring up wasn't a problem.



There you go again ASSUMING. Please don't do that, it makes you look bad and invalidates your argument. I went past the crystal league if you would like for me to mention it again and almost reached Masters II but wasn't able to dedicate as much time to trophy pushing as to reasons mentioned earlier.

In the future, if you want to discuss an issue on any other thread don't mold the posters comments into what you believe if you have no proof or wasn't there along with the player. Assuming on the forums or in real life just makes you look like a simpleton.

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Let's not start a flame war...for the record, my highest trophies was at about 2225 or so, meaning that Veraplay has much more experience than me at high trophy levels. From what I've seen of replays from my clanmates, along with my base being attacked(by both high and low level hogs), and the army comps of top players, I theorized that hog riders were the way to go for trophies if you had enough dark elixir and knowledge of how to use them.



Thanks for all the feedback on this so far, it helps me see things I never would have seen myself, both positive and negative :)

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Originally Posted by MrRich40

You can beat Hog attacks,, it's fine the way it is.. just leave it alone learn to design your base against it and quit whining

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Productive comments please. You can't defend against everything and this will help balance things out.

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Originally Posted by allonod

Let's not start a flame war...for the record, my highest trophies was at about 2225 or so, meaning that Veraplay has much more experience than me at high trophy levels. From what I've seen of replays from my clanmates, along with my base being attacked(by both high and low level hogs), and the army comps of top players, I theorized that hog riders were the way to go for trophies if you had enough dark elixir and knowledge of how to use them.

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I'm not the type of person to start a flame war but when someone starts creating a story about another person without knowing them or their situation it really rubs me the wrong way. Also, in case you're curious, the army composition I used to get past the 2,700 mark was the balloon/minion composition which I've also seen top players using. Cheers.

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Originally Posted by Veraplay

I love how you know exactly at what trophy level I was in and how far I reached during Masters. Were you trophy pushing with us? Wait...I don't think you were. Don't go assuming and talking out of your behind if you weren't there. I'm speaking from personal experience and I went up passed 2,700 trophies but wasn't able to fully push because my girlfriend was in town visiting. There's always more to the story than meets the eye and you shouldn't be spitting nonsense as if you're some type of fortune teller. Also, at the trophy number I was in, the balloons in my clan castle was STILL not a problem against hogs around the 2,700 range. I didn't get an opportunity to test it in the higher ranges for reasons already previously mentioned.




You are again ASSUMING that during the trophy push my CC was easily lureable. If your CC is difficult to lure the attacker will have no choice but to send out their hogs without being able to destroy the balloons. Hence my 4 out of 5 defense wins against hogs. This that you bring up wasn't a problem.



There you go again ASSUMING. Please don't do that, it makes you look bad and invalidates your argument. I went past the crystal league if you would like for me to mention it again and almost reached Masters II but wasn't able to dedicate as much time to trophy pushing as to reasons mentioned earlier.

In the future, if you want to discuss an issue on any other thread don't mold the posters comments into what you believe if you have no proof or wasn't there along with the player. Assuming on the forums or in real life just makes you look like a simpleton.

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You got to 2672. Shut up ♥♥♥♥

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Originally Posted by LowerTheCandelaPlease

You got to 2672. Shut up ♥♥♥♥

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I type out a long succinct reply and you answer with a random number. You have any pictures? We can all make up arbitrary numbers on here. Btw, I'm sure past 2,600 trophies gets you to Masters but yet you mentioned I only went up to crystal. Just stop, you're making yourself look bad already.

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Originally Posted by Veraplay

I type out a long succinct reply and you answer with a random number. You have any pictures? We can all make up arbitrary numbers on here. Btw, I'm sure past 2,600 trophies gets you to Masters but yet you mentioned I only went up to crystal. Just stop, you're making yourself look bad already.

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Why type out essays when your 'points' aren't even true. You do realise there is a recorder of trophies in game now?
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You have your name and clan in your sig, I have your name and clan in the pic. Call photoshop or whatever, anyone can see that you're a liar. Now, can you tell me exactly how I'm making myself look bad?

Hogs work because nobody builds to defend against them. They put traps on outer walls instead of leaving space inside and stacking them around defenses, and they often spread their defenses too far apart to support each other. A couple purple wiz towers can wipe a whole stack of hogs, if they are distracted with other nearby defenses. People need to adapt. It takes months and a huge amount of DE to max hogs unless you are gemming, and if you are gemming, you are paying for everyone else's FREE game.

I am, by the way, a couple months from maxing for TH9. I have been hit by hogs several times, and defeated them (with large amounts of damage) twice. But my base isn't maxed, and all my traps are on the perimeter. I have never gemmed, aside from buying a couple builders (I didn't know to save my gems early on). Let the gemmers have their fun, and stop upgrading your TH without maxing defense buildings.

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Originally Posted by TJPride

Hogs work because nobody builds to defend against them. They put traps on outer walls instead of leaving space inside and stacking them around defenses, and they often spread their defenses too far apart to support each other. A couple purple wiz towers can wipe a whole stack of hogs, if they are distracted with other nearby defenses. People need to adapt. It takes months and a huge amount of DE to max hogs unless you are gemming, and if you are gemming, you are paying for everyone else's FREE game.

I am, by the way, a couple months from maxing for TH9. I have been hit by hogs several times, and defeated them (with large amounts of damage) twice. But my base isn't maxed, and all my traps are on the perimeter. I have never gemmed, aside from buying a couple builders (I didn't know to save my gems early on). Let the gemmers have their fun, and stop upgrading your TH without maxing defense buildings.

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Thats the thing, they use heal spells so your wizard towers are useless. To build a defence against hogs, you become even easier to 3 star with a witch army. It takes longer for the hogs to actually upgrade in the lab then getting the DE for the upgrade, it's like 150k DE last time I checked. Tell me, the 2 attacks with hogs:
Did they lure both heroes and CC and kill them?
did they use heal spells?
did they use level 30+ heroes?

When you defend against those types of attacks, come and tell me. Yes you'll win the 20%, but that won't cover the tp loss in the 80%.

My heros and CC are in the center, and I don't do the moronic move of cornering with builder huts, so not easy to pull out. Yes to heal spells, though admittedly only one or two. I did get hit by level 27 heros on one of the attacks, and lost the entire base that time, but nobody has level 27 until months into TH10, and let's be realistic, any maxed TH10 with half a brain can flatten a non-maxed TH9, especially one who's upgrading one wiz tower, one xbow, and a couple lesser defenses. Not to mention that high a hero has hours of respawn time even if you just damage it halfway (I revenged, killed his AQ, and lightninged his DE - the BK was already dead) Gemmers have advantages, everyone knows this. Nerfing all the units so you can't even defeat a player one TH level lower is not the answer.

Great idea for lv 10-11 walls otherwise why is there flame or lightening there?
or as u explode wall your units are damaged due to leaking fire or lightening

i had a 44 lvl5 hogs attack and im only lvl83 and believe it or not i won, because hogs target defences i put giant bombs near the outer defences to burn some hogs then let the mortar and wizzie towers and cc troops do the trick :)


but agree with u at the same time, maybe lvl4 n 5 have a 5% chance of damaging the unit as it bumps into the wall and hurt its balls and from 6-7 a 15% chance of scratching the unit severely with sharpness then lvl 8 is 20% chance of scratch anf lvl9 n 10 do 100% burn damage and lvl11 do shock. dragons are undeafeatable... unless u spawn them right infront of max air ds x4

The thing that makes hogs so deadly is the combination of heal spells someone can use 4 heal spells and the hogs would stay alive

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Originally Posted by LowerTheCandelaPlease

Now, can you tell me exactly how I'm making myself look bad?

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You make yourself look bad because you started your whole reply with pure assumptions. You kept creating a story in your head about me as if I didn't know from experience and that what makes you look bad. I was wrong that I got passed the 2,700 mark but 2,672 is close enough where you're constantly getting attacked by hogs and gowipe armies, it felt like I reached a higher mark but that's just the nature of the beast when hunting. I never bothered to look up my trophy stat since I didn't think I should prove anything to you. I could've looked it up upon request from the OP, you on the other hand need to tone it down on the insults when replying to people.

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Originally Posted by Veraplay

You make yourself look bad because you started your whole reply with pure assumptions. You kept creating a story in your head about me as if I didn't know from experience and that what makes you look bad. I was wrong that I got passed the 2,700 mark but 2,672 is close enough where you're constantly getting attacked by hogs and gowipe armies, it felt like I reached a higher mark but that's just the nature of the beast when hunting. I never bothered to look up my trophy stat since I didn't think I should prove anything to you. I could've looked it up upon request from the OP, you on the other hand need to tone it down on the insults when replying to people.

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Do you have some obsession to write out paragraphs to people when you lie?

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Originally Posted by LowerTheCandelaPlease

How can you make an opinion about hogs exactly? I don't think you face the same level of attacking skill as players 3+ do. Not sure what trophy level OP is at, but it seems like he still has a slight issue with hogs - he did make the thread.



Just because a method works at 2200 trophies, does not mean it works everywhere. The balloons in CC method fails as soon as you pass like 2600, they occupy 1/6 of the CC meaning they only help the attacker lure the CC faster. Using your experience at a crystal league as an example doesn't help the OP's contention.

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Originally Posted by LowerTheCandelaPlease

Do you have some obsession to write out paragraphs to people when you lie?

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So you're just going to choose to ignore all the lies and assumption you stated earlier? At least I admit my mistakes and not continue on like I never made any before. Move on with your life buddy. Stop trying to look for attention, this conversation is over.

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Originally Posted by Veraplay

So you're just going to choose to ignore all the lies and assumption you stated earlier? At least I admit my mistakes and not continue on like I never made any before. Move on with your life buddy. Stop trying to look for attention, this conversation is over.

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You must be trolling and I didn't pick it up. Seriously though, on higher trophy issues, can people who haven't gotten close not post false information. It will help getting the issue cleared up.

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Originally Posted by LowerTheCandelaPlease

Why type out essays when your 'points' aren't even true. You do realise there is a recorder of trophies in game now?
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You have your name and clan in your sig, I have your name and clan in the pic. Call photoshop or whatever, anyone can see that you're a liar. Now, can you tell me exactly how I'm making myself look bad?

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his trophy record is 2600+ and im sure 2600 is master...unless u cant count

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Originally Posted by LowerTheCandelaPlease

You got to 2672. Shut up ♥♥♥♥

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In my book, 2672 is pretty much equal to 2700. It doesn't make a difference at all to the original discussion.

He still has valid experience in this argument.

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Originally Posted by Veraplay

I love how you know exactly at what trophy level I was in and how far I reached during Masters. Were you trophy pushing with us? Wait...I don't think you were. Don't go assuming and talking out of your behind if you weren't there. I'm speaking from personal experience and I went up passed 2,700 trophies but wasn't able to fully push because my girlfriend was in town visiting. There's always more to the story than meets the eye and you shouldn't be spitting nonsense as if you're some type of fortune teller. Also, at the trophy number I was in, the balloons in my clan castle was STILL not a problem against hogs around the 2,700 range. I didn't get an opportunity to test it in the higher ranges for reasons already previously mentioned. You are again ASSUMING that during the trophy push my CC was easily lureable. If your CC is difficult to lure the attacker will have no choice but to send out their hogs without being able to destroy the balloons. Hence my 4 out of 5 defense wins against hogs. This that you bring up wasn't a problem. There you go again ASSUMING. Please don't do that, it makes you look bad and invalidates your argument. I went past the crystal league if you would like for me to mention it again and almost reached Masters II but wasn't able to dedicate as much time to trophy pushing as to reasons mentioned earlier. In the future, if you want to discuss an issue on any other thread don't mold the posters comments into what you believe if you have no proof or wasn't there along with the player. Assuming on the forums or in real life just makes you look like a simpleton.

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'I went up passed 2,700'. No he didn't.

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his trophy record is 2600+ and im sure 2600 is master...unless u cant count

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He said he reached Master II, which is 2800+...unless u cant count

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In my book, 2672 is pretty much equal to 2700. It doesn't make a difference at all to the original discussion.

He still has valid experience in this argument.

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2672 is not 2700 though. 2672 is not close to 2800 either. So actually he wouldn't have a valid experience because:

1) He hasn't faced Champion league.
2) He hasn't faced Master I league.
3) He hasn't faced Master II league.
4) He's a liar.

For all we know, he might have won 300 trophies overnight, got to 2672, then lost every attack and defence from there.

So please, instead of trying to prove points and what not. If you get the basic things wrong, don't bother convincing people or proving other points, oh and read all the posts before posting please. You don't want to come across like Veraplay.

Thanks for all the feedback so far, sorry I haven't been able to reply to it, been busy :p

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Originally Posted by Coloradokiwiboy

Productive comments please. You can't defend against everything and this will help balance things out.

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Thanks for your support :)

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Originally Posted by TJPride

Hogs work because nobody builds to defend against them. They put traps on outer walls instead of leaving space inside and stacking them around defenses, and they often spread their defenses too far apart to support each other. A couple purple wiz towers can wipe a whole stack of hogs, if they are distracted with other nearby defenses. People need to adapt. It takes months and a huge amount of DE to max hogs unless you are gemming, and if you are gemming, you are paying for everyone else's FREE game.

I am, by the way, a couple months from maxing for TH9. I have been hit by hogs several times, and defeated them (with large amounts of damage) twice. But my base isn't maxed, and all my traps are on the perimeter. I have never gemmed, aside from buying a couple builders (I didn't know to save my gems early on). Let the gemmers have their fun, and stop upgrading your TH without maxing defense buildings.

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Originally Posted by LowerTheCandelaPlease

Thats the thing, they use heal spells so your wizard towers are useless. To build a defence against hogs, you become even easier to 3 star with a witch army. It takes longer for the hogs to actually upgrade in the lab then getting the DE for the upgrade, it's like 150k DE last time I checked. Tell me, the 2 attacks with hogs:
Did they lure both heroes and CC and kill them?
did they use heal spells?
did they use level 30+ heroes?

When you defend against those types of attacks, come and tell me. Yes you'll win the 20%, but that won't cover the tp loss in the 80%.

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Originally Posted by TJPride

My heros and CC are in the center, and I don't do the moronic move of cornering with builder huts, so not easy to pull out. Yes to heal spells, though admittedly only one or two. I did get hit by level 27 heros on one of the attacks, and lost the entire base that time, but nobody has level 27 until months into TH10, and let's be realistic, any maxed TH10 with half a brain can flatten a non-maxed TH9, especially one who's upgrading one wiz tower, one xbow, and a couple lesser defenses. Not to mention that high a hero has hours of respawn time even if you just damage it halfway (I revenged, killed his AQ, and lightninged his DE - the BK was already dead) Gemmers have advantages, everyone knows this. Nerfing all the units so you can't even defeat a player one TH level lower is not the answer.

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Thank you for your feedback. I have to agree with Candela saying that heal spells make wiz towers useless. With the correct use of spells and luring cc troops and heroes, I'm not sure if stopping hogs is possible. That's what my idea is for.

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Originally Posted by mariachi

Great idea for lv 10-11 walls otherwise why is there flame or lightening there?
or as u explode wall your units are damaged due to leaking fire or lightening

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Thanks for the support :)

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Originally Posted by ol1212

i had a 44 lvl5 hogs attack and im only lvl83 and believe it or not i won, because hogs target defences i put giant bombs near the outer defences to burn some hogs then let the mortar and wizzie towers and cc troops do the trick :)


but agree with u at the same time, maybe lvl4 n 5 have a 5% chance of damaging the unit as it bumps into the wall and hurt its balls and from 6-7 a 15% chance of scratching the unit severely with sharpness then lvl 8 is 20% chance of scratch anf lvl9 n 10 do 100% burn damage and lvl11 do shock. dragons are undeafeatable... unless u spawn them right infront of max air ds x4

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I like the % chance of doing damage idea, I'll consider putting that in the original post, thanks for the idea! :D

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Originally Posted by Synyster

The thing that makes hogs so deadly is the combination of heal spells someone can use 4 heal spells and the hogs would stay alive

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Yep, exactly. That's what the idea is for :)

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Originally Posted by Veraplay

I'm not the type of person to start a flame war but when someone starts creating a story about another person without knowing them or their situation it really rubs me the wrong way. Also, in case you're curious, the army composition I used to get past the 2,700 mark was the balloon/minion composition which I've also seen top players using. Cheers.

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Originally Posted by LowerTheCandelaPlease

You got to 2672. Shut up ♥♥♥♥

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Originally Posted by Veraplay

I type out a long succinct reply and you answer with a random number. You have any pictures? We can all make up arbitrary numbers on here. Btw, I'm sure past 2,600 trophies gets you to Masters but yet you mentioned I only went up to crystal. Just stop, you're making yourself look bad already.

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Why type out essays when your 'points' aren't even true. You do realise there is a recorder of trophies in game now?
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You have your name and clan in your sig, I have your name and clan in the pic. Call photoshop or whatever, anyone can see that you're a liar. Now, can you tell me exactly how I'm making myself look bad?

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Originally Posted by Veraplay

You make yourself look bad because you started your whole reply with pure assumptions. You kept creating a story in your head about me as if I didn't know from experience and that what makes you look bad. I was wrong that I got passed the 2,700 mark but 2,672 is close enough where you're constantly getting attacked by hogs and gowipe armies, it felt like I reached a higher mark but that's just the nature of the beast when hunting. I never bothered to look up my trophy stat since I didn't think I should prove anything to you. I could've looked it up upon request from the OP, you on the other hand need to tone it down on the insults when replying to people.

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Originally Posted by LowerTheCandelaPlease

Do you have some obsession to write out paragraphs to people when you lie?

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Originally Posted by Veraplay

So you're just going to choose to ignore all the lies and assumption you stated earlier? At least I admit my mistakes and not continue on like I never made any before. Move on with your life buddy. Stop trying to look for attention, this conversation is over.

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Originally Posted by LowerTheCandelaPlease

You must be trolling and I didn't pick it up. Seriously though, on higher trophy issues, can people who haven't gotten close not post false information. It will help getting the issue cleared up.

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Originally Posted by ol1212

his trophy record is 2600+ and im sure 2600 is master...unless u cant count

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In my book, 2672 is pretty much equal to 2700. It doesn't make a difference at all to the original discussion.

He still has valid experience in this argument.

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Originally Posted by LowerTheCandelaPlease

'I went up passed 2,700'. No he didn't.



He said he reached Master II, which is 2800+...unless u cant count



2672 is not 2700 though. 2672 is not close to 2800 either. So actually he wouldn't have a valid experience because:

1) He hasn't faced Champion league.
2) He hasn't faced Master I league.
3) He hasn't faced Master II league.
4) He's a liar.

For all we know, he might have won 300 trophies overnight, got to 2672, then lost every attack and defence from there.

So please, instead of trying to prove points and what not. If you get the basic things wrong, don't bother convincing people or proving other points, oh and read all the posts before posting please. You don't want to come across like Veraplay.

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It appears that this has died down, but please, if you wish to continue arguing, take it to PMs :)



Appreciating all the feedback so far!

As mentioned should work for flame walls as well and affect flying troops. I am behind this idea.

how about reducing their movspd just so towers could keep up. and add anti-spell towers or traps or something that will nullify spells on 4x4 or 5x5 area.

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Originally Posted by golfer20

As mentioned should work for flame walls as well and affect flying troops. I am behind this idea.

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Originally Posted by xmerto

how about reducing their movspd just so towers could keep up. and add anti-spell towers or traps or something that will nullify spells on 4x4 or 5x5 area.

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Lowering movement speed is a pretty good idea too. Personally I'm not a fan of anti spell ideas, but it could work too. The problem is that it wouldn't just affect hogs, it would affect everything.

I like the speed off the hogs, what should be put down is the dps, it will now take a longer time for them to destroy buildings, which will allow towers to hit them.

Interesting idea, but i don't feel balloons need to be a part of this, they aren't overpowered

But then there are minions and healers, which are weak enough already without your healer stopping over a wall to heal a barb attacking ANOTHER wall a little ways away.and minions would be half dead/one shot (depending on the walls damage) before even making it to the defences

Yeah the level 11 walls are insanely overpriced and any person without gems has almost no chance of getting them and hog riders make them useless, so yeah good idea

As stated before you can play this game for free but if you want to Gem thats a personal choice Its so wrong for supercell to allow gemming ( giving an advantage for those who choose to spend ) and then removing that advantage by nerf ing troops It seems like me the dynamics are just intended to keep the cash coming in I personally saw the benefit of Hogs and gemmed them early on Why should i now have that taken from me ? It was me who saw ahead and took a chance by paying My choice And please if you don't want to gem anything Quit whining about those who do How people spend money is their business and you want free thats your choice too but for supercell to pull the rug from under people who decide to gamble on troops etc is wrong They are a business and business makes money Supercell , quit stealing from people who decide to pay for an edge......My decision to gem hogs will never get me top 5 i never expected it too but dont take from me after you realise you have made a mistake ( im sure they know what they are doing , constant switching of balance produces revenue ) End of Rant thank you for listening !