How to nerf hogs and make level 11 walls useful at the same time

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Originally Posted by Veraplay

So you're just going to choose to ignore all the lies and assumption you stated earlier? At least I admit my mistakes and not continue on like I never made any before. Move on with your life buddy. Stop trying to look for attention, this conversation is over.

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You must be trolling and I didn't pick it up. Seriously though, on higher trophy issues, can people who haven't gotten close not post false information. It will help getting the issue cleared up.

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Originally Posted by LowerTheCandelaPlease

Why type out essays when your 'points' aren't even true. You do realise there is a recorder of trophies in game now?
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You have your name and clan in your sig, I have your name and clan in the pic. Call photoshop or whatever, anyone can see that you're a liar. Now, can you tell me exactly how I'm making myself look bad?

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his trophy record is 2600+ and im sure 2600 is master...unless u cant count

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Originally Posted by LowerTheCandelaPlease

You got to 2672. Shut up ♥♥♥♥

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In my book, 2672 is pretty much equal to 2700. It doesn't make a difference at all to the original discussion.

He still has valid experience in this argument.

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Originally Posted by Veraplay

I love how you know exactly at what trophy level I was in and how far I reached during Masters. Were you trophy pushing with us? Wait...I don't think you were. Don't go assuming and talking out of your behind if you weren't there. I'm speaking from personal experience and I went up passed 2,700 trophies but wasn't able to fully push because my girlfriend was in town visiting. There's always more to the story than meets the eye and you shouldn't be spitting nonsense as if you're some type of fortune teller. Also, at the trophy number I was in, the balloons in my clan castle was STILL not a problem against hogs around the 2,700 range. I didn't get an opportunity to test it in the higher ranges for reasons already previously mentioned. You are again ASSUMING that during the trophy push my CC was easily lureable. If your CC is difficult to lure the attacker will have no choice but to send out their hogs without being able to destroy the balloons. Hence my 4 out of 5 defense wins against hogs. This that you bring up wasn't a problem. There you go again ASSUMING. Please don't do that, it makes you look bad and invalidates your argument. I went past the crystal league if you would like for me to mention it again and almost reached Masters II but wasn't able to dedicate as much time to trophy pushing as to reasons mentioned earlier. In the future, if you want to discuss an issue on any other thread don't mold the posters comments into what you believe if you have no proof or wasn't there along with the player. Assuming on the forums or in real life just makes you look like a simpleton.

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'I went up passed 2,700'. No he didn't.

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Originally Posted by ol1212

his trophy record is 2600+ and im sure 2600 is master...unless u cant count

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He said he reached Master II, which is 2800+...unless u cant count

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Originally Posted by AirmanRaider

In my book, 2672 is pretty much equal to 2700. It doesn't make a difference at all to the original discussion.

He still has valid experience in this argument.

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2672 is not 2700 though. 2672 is not close to 2800 either. So actually he wouldn't have a valid experience because:

1) He hasn't faced Champion league.
2) He hasn't faced Master I league.
3) He hasn't faced Master II league.
4) He's a liar.

For all we know, he might have won 300 trophies overnight, got to 2672, then lost every attack and defence from there.

So please, instead of trying to prove points and what not. If you get the basic things wrong, don't bother convincing people or proving other points, oh and read all the posts before posting please. You don't want to come across like Veraplay.

Thanks for all the feedback so far, sorry I haven't been able to reply to it, been busy :p

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Originally Posted by Coloradokiwiboy

Productive comments please. You can't defend against everything and this will help balance things out.

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Thanks for your support :)

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Originally Posted by TJPride

Hogs work because nobody builds to defend against them. They put traps on outer walls instead of leaving space inside and stacking them around defenses, and they often spread their defenses too far apart to support each other. A couple purple wiz towers can wipe a whole stack of hogs, if they are distracted with other nearby defenses. People need to adapt. It takes months and a huge amount of DE to max hogs unless you are gemming, and if you are gemming, you are paying for everyone else's FREE game.

I am, by the way, a couple months from maxing for TH9. I have been hit by hogs several times, and defeated them (with large amounts of damage) twice. But my base isn't maxed, and all my traps are on the perimeter. I have never gemmed, aside from buying a couple builders (I didn't know to save my gems early on). Let the gemmers have their fun, and stop upgrading your TH without maxing defense buildings.

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Originally Posted by LowerTheCandelaPlease

Thats the thing, they use heal spells so your wizard towers are useless. To build a defence against hogs, you become even easier to 3 star with a witch army. It takes longer for the hogs to actually upgrade in the lab then getting the DE for the upgrade, it's like 150k DE last time I checked. Tell me, the 2 attacks with hogs:
Did they lure both heroes and CC and kill them?
did they use heal spells?
did they use level 30+ heroes?

When you defend against those types of attacks, come and tell me. Yes you'll win the 20%, but that won't cover the tp loss in the 80%.

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Originally Posted by TJPride

My heros and CC are in the center, and I don't do the moronic move of cornering with builder huts, so not easy to pull out. Yes to heal spells, though admittedly only one or two. I did get hit by level 27 heros on one of the attacks, and lost the entire base that time, but nobody has level 27 until months into TH10, and let's be realistic, any maxed TH10 with half a brain can flatten a non-maxed TH9, especially one who's upgrading one wiz tower, one xbow, and a couple lesser defenses. Not to mention that high a hero has hours of respawn time even if you just damage it halfway (I revenged, killed his AQ, and lightninged his DE - the BK was already dead) Gemmers have advantages, everyone knows this. Nerfing all the units so you can't even defeat a player one TH level lower is not the answer.

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Thank you for your feedback. I have to agree with Candela saying that heal spells make wiz towers useless. With the correct use of spells and luring cc troops and heroes, I'm not sure if stopping hogs is possible. That's what my idea is for.

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Originally Posted by mariachi

Great idea for lv 10-11 walls otherwise why is there flame or lightening there?
or as u explode wall your units are damaged due to leaking fire or lightening

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Thanks for the support :)

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Originally Posted by ol1212

i had a 44 lvl5 hogs attack and im only lvl83 and believe it or not i won, because hogs target defences i put giant bombs near the outer defences to burn some hogs then let the mortar and wizzie towers and cc troops do the trick :)


but agree with u at the same time, maybe lvl4 n 5 have a 5% chance of damaging the unit as it bumps into the wall and hurt its balls and from 6-7 a 15% chance of scratching the unit severely with sharpness then lvl 8 is 20% chance of scratch anf lvl9 n 10 do 100% burn damage and lvl11 do shock. dragons are undeafeatable... unless u spawn them right infront of max air ds x4

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I like the % chance of doing damage idea, I'll consider putting that in the original post, thanks for the idea! :D

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Originally Posted by Synyster

The thing that makes hogs so deadly is the combination of heal spells someone can use 4 heal spells and the hogs would stay alive

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Yep, exactly. That's what the idea is for :)

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Originally Posted by Veraplay

I'm not the type of person to start a flame war but when someone starts creating a story about another person without knowing them or their situation it really rubs me the wrong way. Also, in case you're curious, the army composition I used to get past the 2,700 mark was the balloon/minion composition which I've also seen top players using. Cheers.

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Originally Posted by LowerTheCandelaPlease

You got to 2672. Shut up ♥♥♥♥

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Originally Posted by Veraplay

I type out a long succinct reply and you answer with a random number. You have any pictures? We can all make up arbitrary numbers on here. Btw, I'm sure past 2,600 trophies gets you to Masters but yet you mentioned I only went up to crystal. Just stop, you're making yourself look bad already.

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Originally Posted by LowerTheCandelaPlease

Why type out essays when your 'points' aren't even true. You do realise there is a recorder of trophies in game now?
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You have your name and clan in your sig, I have your name and clan in the pic. Call photoshop or whatever, anyone can see that you're a liar. Now, can you tell me exactly how I'm making myself look bad?

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Originally Posted by Veraplay

You make yourself look bad because you started your whole reply with pure assumptions. You kept creating a story in your head about me as if I didn't know from experience and that what makes you look bad. I was wrong that I got passed the 2,700 mark but 2,672 is close enough where you're constantly getting attacked by hogs and gowipe armies, it felt like I reached a higher mark but that's just the nature of the beast when hunting. I never bothered to look up my trophy stat since I didn't think I should prove anything to you. I could've looked it up upon request from the OP, you on the other hand need to tone it down on the insults when replying to people.

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Originally Posted by LowerTheCandelaPlease

Do you have some obsession to write out paragraphs to people when you lie?

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Originally Posted by Veraplay

So you're just going to choose to ignore all the lies and assumption you stated earlier? At least I admit my mistakes and not continue on like I never made any before. Move on with your life buddy. Stop trying to look for attention, this conversation is over.

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Originally Posted by LowerTheCandelaPlease

You must be trolling and I didn't pick it up. Seriously though, on higher trophy issues, can people who haven't gotten close not post false information. It will help getting the issue cleared up.

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Originally Posted by ol1212

his trophy record is 2600+ and im sure 2600 is master...unless u cant count

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Originally Posted by AirmanRaider

In my book, 2672 is pretty much equal to 2700. It doesn't make a difference at all to the original discussion.

He still has valid experience in this argument.

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Originally Posted by LowerTheCandelaPlease

'I went up passed 2,700'. No he didn't.



He said he reached Master II, which is 2800+...unless u cant count



2672 is not 2700 though. 2672 is not close to 2800 either. So actually he wouldn't have a valid experience because:

1) He hasn't faced Champion league.
2) He hasn't faced Master I league.
3) He hasn't faced Master II league.
4) He's a liar.

For all we know, he might have won 300 trophies overnight, got to 2672, then lost every attack and defence from there.

So please, instead of trying to prove points and what not. If you get the basic things wrong, don't bother convincing people or proving other points, oh and read all the posts before posting please. You don't want to come across like Veraplay.

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It appears that this has died down, but please, if you wish to continue arguing, take it to PMs :)



Appreciating all the feedback so far!

As mentioned should work for flame walls as well and affect flying troops. I am behind this idea.

how about reducing their movspd just so towers could keep up. and add anti-spell towers or traps or something that will nullify spells on 4x4 or 5x5 area.

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Originally Posted by golfer20

As mentioned should work for flame walls as well and affect flying troops. I am behind this idea.

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Thanks :)

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Originally Posted by xmerto

how about reducing their movspd just so towers could keep up. and add anti-spell towers or traps or something that will nullify spells on 4x4 or 5x5 area.

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Lowering movement speed is a pretty good idea too. Personally I'm not a fan of anti spell ideas, but it could work too. The problem is that it wouldn't just affect hogs, it would affect everything.

I like the speed off the hogs, what should be put down is the dps, it will now take a longer time for them to destroy buildings, which will allow towers to hit them.

Interesting idea, but i don't feel balloons need to be a part of this, they aren't overpowered