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Just go to 1 attack that would be simpler 12 hour prep 12 hour war. I like it! Match based just on offense or just on defense or 50/50 strategy would be very important and attacking skill would be very important should make most happy. Nothing makes everyone happy
is this live? If not, when?
I suspect either you or they had search running for a while, until the parameters loosened enough to allow this match. I'm guessing you have a hero advantage. It's also a consequence of too many players going engineered. There aren't always enough clans with that type of lineup in the MM pool to find a good match. I could see an extra TH10 or 2 being allowed, especially if your record is better than theirs (which is likely the case). Nevertheless, it's stupid match.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterOz
Hopefully, they'll put some sort of 'sanity check' in place to prevent this.
Of course its the make changes and cross fingers thing. Did you have to ask? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by devilsrevengeclan
I have a rushed village and I can't find the way the game is getting it's war weight, my calcs say it should be 40k but it's around 62k in game, is there a penalization that increases war weight if unbalanced?
are you being ironic? because if you're not, then I agree with youQuote:
Originally Posted by Chang405
Based on their track record, no, I was totally serious.Quote:
Originally Posted by strandwolfza
then I agree with youQuote:
Originally Posted by Chang405
That would suggest that however you are calculating your war weight is wrong then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vook
How are you doing it?
Because if the game has it at 64k, then it's 62k.
Is it one of those bogus spreadsheets made from the data Spanser collected? Because there isn't one of those that works.
By what data do you think that majority of players are rushers and the minority are maxers and engineers? And second even is that is the case that is even better cause there will be bigger chance that rusher will face a rusher on his mirror. You think that a rusher would rather avoid a same TH even if it is a bit stronger than he is and chose an engineer across? You advocate that a rusher should face th-1 on his mirror, but will his mirror be satisfied as a rusher is when he see a th+1 across him?Quote:
Originally Posted by DOOM2U
And ultimately is the goal of the game to promote and protect rushers by facing them with th-1? You can make sure that he will never learn to play as long as he is bullying th's below him with extra spell and camps and troops with level up. He will just keep rushing from th to th without even understanding the dynamics and mechanics of attacks and strategies.
Roster engineering goes against a core principal in my clan. Everyone is expected to carry their own weight and give their best. If you fail, we are here to back you up.
No one is mere flotsam or cannon fodder. We are a team and a small community.
Unlike the roster engineering concept, there are no participation trophies. You must actually earn it.
The latest engineered clan match-up we have that I spoke about earlier in the thread...
thier no 14 has three starred our 10 and 6
thier no 19 has three stared our 12 and 11.
And these guys guys think they are "clever" somehow.
The sooner we are rid rid of these bullies the better. How can it be that someone placed 8 points down the roster from you has the troops to three star you. Not the skill... the troops. Our 14 and 19 have troops appropriate for thier place in the roster. You know, new players who are learning wars and trying to have a bit of fun.
I wonder how "clever" the engineers will feel when they are Matched to thier own kind? They will have to learn some real skill.
As I and others have mentioned, don't count on it. SC made their opinion on engineering clear in 16. Not only do they accept it, they actually approve and see it a the future of the game. The decision to match primarily by defense was a sure indication of such. They won't have to any more sly than usual. SC will certainly see to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesterdeath
Our latest war BD:Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefTuk
.....Us: 0/2/8/4/1/0
Them: 2/3/8/1/0/1
Our heroes are stronger, but their th11s have wardens and miners lvl 5 and sitting on 13 and 14 on a map. Even with smaller heroes they do have an army to 2 star th11s. Tweak percentages of defense and offense all you want but this kind of matches will never stop until every th is treated as a th that really is. Anything else just open doors to more and probably a different kind of engineering.
Funny thing is that search was very short...
They deleted my post because I said whiners? And all 11 people who quoted my response and started discussion? It was an 8 paragraph well thought out and explained post with tremendous feedback.
This is the problem.
Was calling people whiners part of that "well thought out" and reasonable post?
Or did someone mistake childish insults for mature debate?
Thank you.
We're currently in prep against a clan where one of their guys has a max GW while none of our side has a GW at all... I smell defeat.
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Originally Posted by Buffalicious
No - your post is still here but moved to the sticky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalicious
No my other post. I responded with a much more in depth response that took both sides into consideration. It had over ten people responding and all their quote responses are gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rst
Also the response that that was deleted said people whining. The definition of it is outloud complaining. It's not a derragatory remark. Saying someone is a cry baby is a derragatory remark. It is well thought out and not childish. It fits the description.
this is awesome and i feel great about it. i love clan wars. any improvements to something i love is fantastic news. :)
After this news i was very much happy but after searching war there were 5_6 engineered base with high level troops, i think it may be happen 1st time but after searching 2nd war it happens againg with engineerd base. The match making system may be not working properly. Plz check it
This is why no MM will ever work. Communication lost in space.Quote:
Originally Posted by sukdebdey
They have Five extra TH10s. Their bottom TH10 who is my mirror just for example, has 35/39 heroes. I am not sure where this hero advantage is, you think we have. Certainly none of our five outmatched TH9 have heroes in the high 30s and even 40, to equal their TH10s. And all their TH10 bases are maxed defensively.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefTuk
The TH11s are comparable. Their top 5 10s match ours. Their 9s match ours. There are no engineered bases on either side. No point fives. Legit bases on both sides. Except they have 5 extra fully maxed TH10s. So, lets see..... they get 20 x TH10 attacks we get 10. That's not a fair or equitable match in any way, shape or form.
A "war record" should play no part in matching. That's like "everyone is equal" garbage. And we will match you harder and less equal until finally you lose bwahahahahahahahahahaaaa and everyone will be equal whether you like it or not.
Imagine SC doing the boxing match making. Sorry Mr Featherweight, we think you are winning too much, here, fight this heavyweight.
That's what it's like.
I am encouraged by the "we are working on it" post though.
Is the War MM change have been implemented?!!! I was wondering this change will be in future.Quote:
Originally Posted by sukdebdey
I would like to say no, but considering SC'S stance in 16, I'm even reluctant to bring in a max TH 7 or anything for that matter. No doubt, there will be a weasel TH 11 hidden in the bushes. It's pretty bad when you cringe while hitting the start war button.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liyaqath
Just in case you didn't read till the end...Quote:
Originally Posted by sukdebdey
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Originally Posted by Darian[Supercell]
If the update will indeed match engineers to engineers, they wont need any skill at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesterdeath
Just imagine th7/8 defense bases attacked by th10/11 troops - you cant possible fail this attack, even blindfolded.
They will just have a perfect war draw in every war.
Well, mr. security expert, thanks god you don't work where i do :facepalm:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sukram65
are the new war matchmaking systems already live?
Nope. Our current war is testament to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by casper1988
agreed :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterOz
Very true, I hadn't thought about it like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterOz
When the update come??
THANKS !! Well we just lost last war coz of Engineered base.
Will vouch for this war since I was in it too, really was a head scratcher.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterOz
Yes, normally with a match like that you'll see a big hero advantage, or they have a load of .5s so they're not really th10s.
Nope. Top 9 pretty identical, same goes for bottom 10....but in the middle, 5 max th10 vs 5 max 9s.
As it turned out, they were a really good clan as well, so it was unwinnable.
Has to be one of the worst matches I've ever seen, considering there was no roster or base manipulation in sight from either side. No allowances, no hero vs inferno trade offs....just straight mismatch of crippling proportions.
I've heard this rhetoric before a few times, and understand the frustration. However... overtime, I've come to the conclusion that the 'recent war performance' checkbox was actually implemented to help the losing clans in the main, not penalise the winning ones in particular.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterOz
Just my opinion of course...very subjective! It just makes more sense to me, which in turn probably lessens its validity!!!XD
Well, on that war record thing, I will disagree with MisterOZ.
Purely because....how could that thinking apply to the opponent?
We were on a 5 streak, them on 4.
Is 5 the magic number where they start allowing big weight disadvantages? Cos the clan on a 4 streak found themselves in an 'un-losable' match, which does rather go against the point they're making.
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Originally Posted by Skrags
That does make sence but continually matching clans that don't perform so well will just lead to an even bigger difference in skill level. For any clan wanting to progress always great to come against someone better than yours. Perfect opportunity to get new base design ideas & 1st hand experience of the current meta(s).
XD funny, but I'll reply anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by Skrags
yes, it helps the losing clans, but it also penalises the winning ones. that's not different than, in a fps game, giving better guns to the less skilled players
come on everybody, skilled players win and unskilled players lose, it has always been like this, everywhere
Wouldn't the simplest solution be to just adjust the war rankings by TH level?
IE - the lowest TH10 will always be ranked above the highest TH9, 9>8, 8>7, etc.
This would take the heavily engineered bases from the bottom of the lineup and actually be a disadvantage.
But it wouldn't hurt casually rushed or X.5 bases since most casually rushed bases grab the shiny new defenses (x bows and ITs) and the X.5s are typically maxed before going up.
War record should be used to decide which clans should match when there is more than one appropriate match to be made, not punish clans with long win streaks by throwing them into ridiculous matchups. The idea that your war record caused this, when the better engineers can largely negate the war record factor is especially galling. To use the boxing analogy, you should match the best available fighter in your weight class, not one from an entirely different class.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterOz
It would be interesting if you can talk to the other clan & find out if their search ran for a longer than usual amount of time. I can only think of a few wars over the last year where we were at a major disadvantage both offensively & defensively, but we were mostly running 9.5s as the top couple bases until the last several months. I'd like to think that this match only happened because one of the clans had been in search for hours & hours, but I'm probably wrong.
SC should look at how this happened & make sure whatever they're doing eliminates this kind of disparity.
@Darian if wall weight is high the matchmaking would always be problematic. We are facing this currently. My clan have seen it several times. My Clanmates have upgraded their villages completely including walls. But we always get mismatched opponents.
I do agree that MM improvements are a good thing. Eliminating the HUGE advantages from engineered bases will be good for the war community. TH6s with max war troops are ridiculous. But when it comes to .5 bases, I'm curious to see how they will be affected.
Will .5's suffer? How will they balance the weight based on offensive & defensive capabilities of someone who has just upgraded to the next TH level.
Personally I think like for like
so if you have 10x TH 8 and 10x TH 7
Then you get matched with pretty much the same.
As I see this game is about making best base possible at every level.
Yes clans will put in there best bases.But is that not the idea...there will always be players put into war that are not maxed on both sides,
Unless your clan has maxed TH11 and would not effect you.
Way I see it would end engineers......I'm sure some would disagree however there is other options..
Attacking with in 5 of your base number.
Example
30vs 30 war.
lets say player 20 is a 1 cannon base with his lvl 20 heroes max troops
he would only be able to attack between bases 15-25.... There for.....
NO ADVANTAGE .....let him waste his resources attacking prob a th8 on the other side.
This would also without taking into consideration of Engineered bases would give wars a whole new stratergy to wars.
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Originally Posted by Dibbs12345
Just for info, I posted this recently on the subject of the 'recent war performance' checkbox :-Quote:
Originally Posted by strandwolfza
https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...6#post10682516
Here's my Theory about the 'Recent War Performance' /Win streak checkbox. It's based upon Skrags logic, which sometimes leaves a little to be desired, but hey, i'll go with it....
In the beginning - the Dev team are sat round a table and agree that implementing this checkbox from scratch is a good idea!
The question is .... Why?
This is where the logic comes in....#sigh...
The SC team want to encourage Clan Wars participation as much as possible, because by it's nature, and the desire of players to gem their Hero upgrades, it is extremely profitable for SC.
It follows therefore that there are only 2 main groups of players that are feeling demotivated to participate in random wars (I'm excluding the players that don't like war full stop!)
First Group - above average players/clans up to Elite War clans who are bored with random 'farm wars' as they just aren't competitive, and they just don't enjoy them.
Second Group - below average players/clans who lose a lot, and just don't enjoy the experience (understandably) and feel demotivated to keep warring.
Assuming the above (big ask I know!!XD), lets focus on that First Group. The good/elite clans now have friendly wars, CWL, NDL, type wars to fulfil their lust for competition. Even if they roll a random war every now and again, and get a farm war, it's not that big of an issue these days.
What about the 'above average' clans? I'd put my own clan in that bracket tbh. Win more then they lose etc. Do these kind of clans feel demotivated to war by matching poor clans? Generally (not always), I'd say probably not. A wins a win for most of us. Keeps moral up, and most players don't mind an easy war every now and again.
In summary, I don't feel that this 'First Group' are demotivated to war, because of the reasons set out above.
So, what about that Second Group? The clans that lose a lot. It's easy to say, that these players should practice more, or take the time to learn good strategies (lets talk Gowipe!), but the reality is that maybe they just don't have the time or inclination to do so.
To me this is the biggest area where players get demotivated to war.
For this reason, I have arrived at the conclusion that this is the main reason for the 'Recent war performance' checkbox. It's not for the clans that win, but to help the clans that lose.
Let us not forget that for every war won, a war is also lost. Mathematically, any clans with current win streaks (of any size) are actually within the minority of clans warring.
Summary (tldr)
While I'm often found sticking up for the 'pick up and play' casuals (which I accept), my logic( :facepalm:) suggests that this checkbox is far more prevalent for the losing clans, than the winning ones!:)
When the update come
Clan Wars have been pathetic these days the last war I have been my clan's top base was 3 stared by opposition clan's war member 15 in a 20v/s20 war. That in some days feels like engineered bases have totally taken over the clan wars and for non-engineered bases who r at th9 or starting th10 it's a presumed loss in war .Those clan's having good engineered bases only wins the war .In my current war their are 2 th11 but we don't have even 1 .They have almost 7 engineered base which will get them almost 10-12 good three star attacks which leads a easy loss for my clan .I have shared some photos of my clan war opposition see the condition .This is the condition please do something fast to resolve these issues and we can again have Happy clashing .
Thanks,
minionfighter .
Clan tag- #LPPVCLLJ
Still SC working on it?! In current war we have 3 th11 & the opponent have 8! Its a 30 vs 30 war & their 23rd player's hero's level are 45/45/20! If this is not a joke then what is a joke...
I noticed that most of so called engeneered clan location is China...
Hope SC take their action fast, THE CLAN WAR ALREADY RUINED... not any fun there...
That's not how it works. Both clans would have to be in search for hours & hours for it to be the case. When matching the clans the matchmaker only uses the smaller threshold. So if clan 1 was in search for 10 minutes and clan 2 was in search for 3 days, the 10 minutes threshold will be used. The 3 days threshold would only be used if both clans were in search for 3 days.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefTuk
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Originally Posted by minionfighter
I thought that after our first run in with a clan that had an engineered base.
BUT we recently had a few wars that had multiple engineered bases TH10s with single cannon, early 20 heros, maxed troops. These were #14 and 15 on a 15v15 - mirrored to a TH7 and a TH8. They couldn't attack worth a damn though. Neither got 3 stars on our third and fourth ranked TH9s
CW must have war selection like ex.
50v50 10th11 20th10 and 20th9-fix
Or
50v50 you deside what th you put in
40v40 5th11 15th10 20th9
Or
40v40 any th lvl etc.
What did you think?
I apologize if this has already been addressed, but I don't have the time to wade through a 66 page thread.
Have the matchmaking improvements been implemented yet?
No, they have not.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigf1973
Matchmaking is still awful. My clan with 3 th11s, one of them near max, was matched up against a clan that had none. I'm glad you guys are finally doing something about this more directly.
To add to this, i'd say the ratio of maxed bases to non maxed bases is about 5% to 95% so sc better be very carfull with whatever they doQuote:
Originally Posted by iBork
I would have to agree here. My clan has had 5 win streak many times, but, we can't seem to get #6. Always a mismatch. We are currently on a 5 win streak and yet another horrible matchup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superfinch30
Us: 2 th10s, 5 th9s, 3 th8s.
Them: 3 th10s, 3 th9s, 1 th11 sitting at #6, 2 th8s, 1 th7.
Ridiculous
Can say that the MM 2.0 is not rolled out yet. If it was, I'm walking away. Our new match is not much different then what the old MM would have deemed acceptable.
Coming off a nice even war in which we lost (in fact, we had 3 even matches in a row), we are back to a terrible match vs a completely engineered clan. We might still win, because their TH11's look incompetent, but it's still not fun seeing 6 TH11's vs our 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperStorm103
When are they going to roll this out?
Yeah, sounds about right, coming of a second loss to another engineered clan who had 5 th11's to our 2 and a 9 win streak (we had a streak of 0), we are facing a clan with 6 th11's to our 3 and they are on a 3 win streak. We of course are now on a 2 loss streak. They have the same amount of defense (if you don't count the th11 at the bottom of the map with 1 cannon and lvl 4 hounds and lvl 7 loons and of course a warden), but twice the top shelf offense. Here's to hoping they are bad attackers!
5 is our magic number tooQuote:
Originally Posted by DarthPat
I don't know if they are trying the new mm in silence, but, surprisingly, we had a very equated match up in our current war.
I thought they might be too as we have had three wars since the last update that was supposed to be just server maintenance. All three were close matches but one of them did have two TH10s vs our nines. They were weakish 10s though and did not give them an overwhelming advantage. The only advantage was a sure kill of our TH8s. But that was enough since we didn't do as well vs their 8s as we usually do and we lost.
Our other two wars were nearly dead on matches.
I thought it was certain they have not implemented the new system. But, then I thought about it more as I was typing this. I took a TH7 to 8 and his war weight has stayed the same. Despite upgraded troops. It's one of my accounts.
It has upgraded dragons to three and lightning to 5 but no defensive upgrades. Its war weight was a fairly low 7 before this war and it is still the same. War weight of 37. That means no weight was given to the dragons or lightening.
So, there could have been tweaks made but it's not the new system were troops have weight or we just can't see it at all. I am assuming we will be able to see it but maybe not. So I guess it's not 100 percent conclusive but nothing indicates the changes are in place.
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Originally Posted by CiroII
I don't think we will ever know. We still don't know what SC considers balanced, lopsided, or a "fair" match. Unless they take a radical step, they can continue to say we are making improvements, while not doing anything or making small adjustments(which they did pre-announcement). Random chance will have people saying it's getting better.Quote:
Originally Posted by CiroII
I asked SC about it once, specifically a TH10 with maxed offense and the single cannon. They agreed that it was not within their vision of "fair play" and I have seen them say they don't want to tell people how to advance their base - so I think they are aiming at the engineered bases, not so much with rushed - intentionally or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ripple1972
Like I said above - I think if they just ranked the war weight by TH it would eliminate the problems
In current war me in number 1 & my recommended target is 6. My another account is in 30th place (its a 30vs30 war) & recommended target of that account is 23. Is that not funny?
Its only means that the MM alogrithym totally broken down...
RIP clan wars...
N.B: I noticed yesterday that on this war we have 3 th11 & they have 8. their 23rd base's have a level 1 single canon, around with 45/45/20 levels heros...
I am sure there of multiple suggestions, on how to fix this but I believe a simple way would be as follows.
Start by determining what is consider offensive (spells/troops/hero's) and what is defensive (walls/non-attacking buildings/attacking- buildings)
Once, all items have been sorted into their respective position, calculate the total amount of gold, elixir and dark elixir that would be needed to max everything out. I will reference this with MaxG, MaxE, and MaxDE.
The user's score will be the total amount of gold, elixir and dark elixir in which they have spent to get to their current standings. These values will be referenced as UserG, UserE, and UserDE.
To calculate your offensive score the following equation would be used:
(UserG/MaxG) + (UserE/MaxE) + (UserDE/MaxDE) = Offensive score
The same process would then be used to calculate your defensive score:
(UserG/MaxG) + (UserE/MaxE) + (UserDE/MaxDE) = Defensive score
Now for the hard part:
War matching making would take the average of the offensive score and defensive score for the participants in war and match someone with a value similar to theirs. The bigger the clan war is the more accurate the equation is able to calculate.
Once, the Offensive and defensive scores have been calculated, the war win streak variable should also be used to match those with a higher skill set with each other.
Hope to see a fix in soon!
-Clash On
just make a minimum weight for each th level...
Yeah, this would be great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluntdawg
We have just started a 40/40 war. We have 6 TH11's to their 12....
Sooner these changes get implemented the better. But seen as how the last however many months of tweaks to the mm have done next to nothing...I am not holding my breath.......
Darian - been a while since you or any other mod posted on this thread....any news on when these changes are happening? Or any news on what the actual changes are going to be seen as tho this thread tells us nothing that we didn't already know?
Matched today, definitely not fixed.
We have 7 th11s. Mostly max, last one is a later stage 10.5.
Enemy has 13 th11s, 8 Eagles, last eagle has th10 point defenses. Their #9 has mostly max point defenses, max infernos but no eagle. Their th11 in the number 10 spot is about 2 weeks into th11 but has lvl7 loons and lvl 7 Warden. But the ones in the 20th, 21st, and 24th spot are swinging a full th11 laloon army. Severely rushed defenses and just the one max army.
It's just a stupid matchup. Give one team 26 th11 attacks, the other 14. Give the same team a defensive advantage.
Their really just is no other way to level matchmaking but stick a minimum point on all townhall levels.
And stop overweighting the th11s that have max'ed everything out. They are just one player. They can only attack twice. You can't run miners, hogs, laloon, bowitch, etc. at the same time.
Why give players who are extremely rushed with one max army a huge advantage?
they have not claimed to fix this yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyInGame
what do you do with the people that have already upgraded?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluntdawg
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Originally Posted by CiroII
We are a maxer clan with zero X.5 or in any way engineered bases. Just matched with a very engineered clan.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyInGame
TL;DR Us: 3xTH9, 9xTh8, 3xTH7. Them: 1xTH10, 6xTH9, 8xTH8. NOT FIXED YET
Those already upgraded would receive the minimum weight just as everyone else. This would be a painful change at first, I agree. However, after discussing this issue here and on other boards for over two years, I now agree that it is the only answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by mludwig89
This would be unfair to rushers who did not build all defenses or offense as they went, you will say? To which I answer, wait til you see what the proposed system is going to do with those friends and family rusher clans. Those poor souls are about to be locked in a cage with the worst of the engineers. That, my friend, is not fair...not even slightly fair. The proposed minimum weight would be rough at first, but at least it would be something that they could eventually recover from. We have rehabbed many, many rushers.
We have 1 th10 with 30/30 heroes and lvl 3 infernos. 2 10s who just moved from 9 and a few near max 9s. No engineered bases at all.
we just matched a clan with 4 max th10s and there 7/8/9 were engineered 11s with max troops. We do 10v10 wars and how can we possibly win that?
matchmaking is worse than ever at this moment in time
That is why SC announced they would fix it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adz93
I'm 100% confident that filthy engineers will be Punished and matches will be fair, 100% of the time.
What about the engineers with an acceptable level of personal hygiene?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ripple1972
I find no issues getting matched against engineered bases. If my opponent has an advantage on offence, I would have an advantage for his low defence as well. Players complaining about engineered bases with level 1 cannons n level 45/45/20 heroes Please don't say you couldn't 3 star that base. 😂😂😂 My clan has been matched against engineered clans. We won some, we lost some.
I suggest SC should implement a system similar to BH where players MUST have all their defences (with specific minimum defence levels per TH level) before they can move to the next TH. Don't let players with engineered bases participate in wars until they meet the requirements. This will definitely prevent Engineering. BH is the best example we have.
This won't happen, they already said that they don't want to invalidate any playstyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by VickyAdok
Is it necessary to have different playstyles for the same game? The way MM works is like I get matched against a kid with iron gloves in a boxing ring. And I cry when I lose 😂😂😂.Quote:
Originally Posted by myavatarisupsidedown
Why do I have to face it? Ban the iron gloves n let the kid grow.
Clean engineers is an onyxmoron.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnyxDS
My guess is they are going to try to push clans running offensively lopsided bases into matchups with other clans running offensively lopsided bases. For some, it'll be business as usual. For others, it's gonna get ugly.Quote:
Originally Posted by myavatarisupsidedown
On the maxxer side, I suspect we'll be hearing complaints from people who maxed defense & ignored offense/heroes.
"Your guess"? But that's exactly what Darian said they will try to do. There's no need to guess when he already revealed what he'll do.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefTuk
But if the new MM works as intended, then the maxxers will battle against other maxxers, which means that they'll all be maxxed, even their offense, no?Quote:
On the maxxer side, I suspect we'll be hearing complaints from people who maxed defense & ignored offense/heroes.
I think.. finally we are getting our best over matchmaking system.. which will demolish the engineering bases.. i too have an engineering base.. but i dont like to play that.. but for war it is necessary untill now.. but when the new matchmaking system is implemented in game. I stop playing that account...thank you supercell.. finally, when the new matchmaking system is implemented????
Your optimism level is too high, I would say.Quote:
Originally Posted by naveenavya3333
Yes i belive u because i have a faith in supercell.. they will keep an end engineering bases step by step..Quote:
Originally Posted by myavatarisupsidedown
My clan has a few 10.5 and 2 th11 with th9 def and max drag. The rest are the typical max/balance bases with max th11 at the top.
Last and current war, we are facing similar line up of 10.5 and some th10s without infernos. MM changes started ?
What's your line up now ?
I also have the feeling that they already changed something. In the last 2 wars we faced an almost exact combination.
#1 max th11
#2 max th11 offense, minimax 9 on defense
#3: 9.75
#4: 9.5
#5: th9
#6/7: 8.75
rest th8 and below
Our side:
#1: max 11
#2: max 10.75
#3: 9.75
#4: th9
#5: th9
rest th8 and below
So basically it is an easy win: Bash the 8.75 and the 9 with th9s, bash the 9.75s with our 9.75, one th11 attack against their #2 and then go for safe on #1. Even if we fail twice getting only 1 star chances are good we have a win on percentage.
The previous war was the same only with 1 more th11 and th9 on both sides.
I'm not too sure that they have changed matchmaking.
I war by myself (I'm a level 7 clan) and my last two wars were so mismatched that the first war they (level 1 clan) gave up at 12 stars, and the war that is finishing now they (level 4) basically gave up at three stars.
The other clans did suck, though, so that may be why... LOL.
This is an easy fix. Stop running engineered bases and you will be less likely to see engineered bases, even before they institute the new matchmaking system. Ask any engineered clan and they will tell you that they mostly only match with engineers already. You can't complain about engineered bases if you are running them yourself.
This is not what me and my clan are experiencing. We don't have any engineered bases and most of our matches are against engineered clans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince1999
This. Sad but true.Quote:
Originally Posted by myavatarisupsidedown
I have never seen war matching as bad as it is currently. It seems as if it actually got much worse after the announcement that they were working on it. My current 10 man war is rediculous. We have 5 9s with some 8s and 7s. We have no manipulated bases. We get a match with 4 10s. They are not maxed, but the extra spells,troops, and upgraded troops make for an unrealistic match. I just don't understand haw they can let one clan have toys available to next th that your clan does not. I'm beginning to wonder if they truly are trying to make matchmaking fair or are just giving us lip service. It's probably time to get out of the water until we are assured that there are no more sharks in the water.
Agree 100%. I also think they intended us to progress defensively as well. They have been telling us for years that a strong defense is just as important as a strong offense. I just wish they would not punish those that followed their intended path with poor matches. When I go to th 10, I'll expect to fight th 10s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleveland33
Ummmh, one week and 70 pages. How many more pages until the new MM goes live? Do the opinions presented here matter? ��
The opinions obviously matter to you. You did take the time to post a reply. I thought these forums were here to present our opinions. If you don't care for my opinion, you are free to express your opinion. If it truly doesn't matter to you, just don't reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by hande
I simply stated that since the announcement of upcoming changes, my clan has terribly uneven matches. They are much worse than before the announcement. I'm not sure why it has happened, but it has, and it is very clear to see.
Something changed for us, wasn't sure if any changes have gone live yet, but for 2 different clans we have worse matching yet over last 3 wars. Fortunately for us one of matches to our advantage, but that's not as much fun as having a fair match.
What the opinions matter to me is indifferent. What they matter, if any, to SC is the only reason to make the thread. I have also experienced the same that MM has become worse lately. Some adjustments seem to be done but they have not lead to the direction that was promised to us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Playforwar
Perhaps they are making some (beta-)tests of new algorithms, just they forgot to tell us that we are testing them?
Dont know how many times I need to say this....
No amount of algorithm changes will fully thwart engineering clans.....
UNLESS they do 1 thing and 1 thing only...
Make 2 defenses per base.
The reason engineered clans have always had the advantage, and STILL have the advantage even after multiple algorithm changes, is cause you get 2 attacks to 1 defense.
But I'd wager this will never happen :^(((
2 defences wouldn't stop engineering. There's no need to be lopsided to engineer - some of the most effective ways of engineering can be balanced bases at the moment. What 2 defences per base would do is mean that clans couldn't cover if anyone missed an attack. Or every single disconnect would be 3* down the drain. It would give a huge deterioration in player enjoyment, and have little if any effect on the better engineers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squibis
However if SC actually sorted out the weighting system properly it make it very hard to engineer and the available advantages would be very small.
I think a good solution would be to HEAVLY weight th level regardless of defensive strength. It would stop engineered bases completely if th11 had to face another th11