Clan War Matchmaking Improvements

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Originally Posted by Sdunker

After playing many online games over the years starting with Ultima Online in 1999, I've learned that the effort companies put into trying to convince you that an update/change isn't going to suck is directly proportional to how much it actually WILL suck. Fortunately, so far it looks like Supercell has only brushed that surface.

As far as whether or not a change is necessary, I believe the answer is no. If having a base specifically engineered to be low ranked but hard-hitting in clan wars was a guarantee that the clan it belongs to would win, the answer would be yes. But it isn't. Far from it, actually. My clan has defeated plenty of other clans with engineered bases and we've lost clan wars with our own engineered base. Because there are so many other factors involved - whether or not everyone uses both attacks, whether or not everyone is actually good at attacking, whether or not their defenses are solid, et cetera. In the same way that some Builder Bases have very advanced troops and defenses but low trophies because the player behind the base just isn't good at the game, the owner of an engineered base can blow their attacks because they just aren't good, and I've seen it.

If having a base specifically engineered to be low ranked but hard-hitting in clan wars only had perks and had no drawbacks, the answer would be yes. But that's not the case. The fact is that because these bases have little defense, they're easily curb-stomped in normal everyday attacks and the base owner is constantly trying to recover lost loot and then add more to it. It's a lot of work and requires a lot of time and diligence. In this discussion of changing the game with regard to engineered bases, the plan is to weaken the positive points and leave the negative aspects as they are. That sounds like a pretty bad idea.

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So you think that a poor engineer with TH11 troops has soo much problems recovering loot cause he is stomped every day?

Let's say they get him 100% every 20 hours (if he is titan1 or legend for example). He losses 450k of each. All he has to do to recover the lost loot and even get more is attack ONCE in 4 hour guard he has. If he attacks 4 times during the guard he will have profit of at least 1-2 million of each everyday. Everyone who think that an engineers have a tough life are quite wrong. An active player will have almost 0 trouble to maintain engineered base. With 4 attacks he might even recover trophies as well.

ULTIMA ONLINE WAS AWESOME,,,,!,!,

Literally played for years.

Me personally i think the war weight should be to do with the laboratory level not the townhall level (minimum level which increased after a troop upgrade)
this gives it alittle flip as defence will be more important to get an advantage.

I have both engineered and none enginnered account. If becomes to much of a problem i will just leave the engineered base and not play it. Just like others in my clan. Dont have time to max other account

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Originally Posted by clashwarclans

I am all up for matchmaking being addressed but I think the bigger issue is the fact that if you come across a clan with 1 more max th11 with EA in the lineup, you will almost certainly lose by 1 star whether you are engineered or not and that is a bigger problem than engineering.

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Not true, we recently faced a clan with two (near) max 11's a mid 11 and a low 11 (all with eagles) 3 10's and the rest max to near max 9's (15 v 15). We have one (near) max 11 a mid 11 that hasn't built eagle yet (just following builder suggestions and amazingly it hasn't popped up yet probably because of the reduced cost of AT and cannons) and a brand new 11 that was a max 10 (with a lvl 1 warden) and hasn't built eagle yet and a near max 10, 3 10.5s and the rest max to near max 9's. We pulled 11 stars out of their top 4, they only pulled 8 thanks to a couple 1-stars against our top bases and a couple repeat attacks. we won 44-36. In case you didn't keep track they had 7 th10+ with three eagles and we had 7 th10+ with one eagle, yet we came out on top.

@Darian - Any update on this? Or is this just like usual where SC announces something and we all just left to guess what is next?

https://forum-content.supercell.com/...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Darian[Supercell] https://forum-content.supercell.com/...post-right.png

We're actually getting our first Taco Bell in Helsinki soon! I. Cannot. Wait. It's no In N Out, but I'll take Taco Bell in the interim.

Like many companies in the region, July is a period where quite a few people take hard-earned time off, but not everyone (I'm still here). So we are still working on various projects both in-game and out of the game. We have some changes to the Clan War matchmaking system coming up pretty soon so keep an eye out for an announcement on that over the next several days.

In-game content-wise, we have a few things on the horizon for both the TH and the BB, but all in due time, my friends.

Was this the announcement of the announcement of nothing or what does pretty soon mean?

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Originally Posted by MenionLeah

So you think that a poor engineer with TH11 troops has soo much problems recovering loot cause he is stomped every day?

Let's say they get him 100% every 20 hours (if he is titan1 or legend for example). He losses 450k of each. All he has to do to recover the lost loot and even get more is attack ONCE in 4 hour guard he has. If he attacks 4 times during the guard he will have profit of at least 1-2 million of each everyday. Everyone who think that an engineers have a tough life are quite wrong. An active player will have almost 0 trouble to maintain engineered base. With 4 attacks he might even recover trophies as well.

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What you did there was took what I said, made it into something I didn't say, and then tried to attribute it back to me.

First - there are plenty of engineered bases that aren't maxed TH11 troops and titan/legend trophies. In fact, I've only ever personally encountered one that was. I'm sure there are more out there but using only the most extreme examples makes a poor point. I am discussing the average engineered base experience across all levels, not citing the least nor the greatest example.

Second, in my experience, unless you want to sit there searching and searching for a long time for a whale of an abandoned account loaded with loot, it takes two attacks to recover and gain on the loss from a 100% defeat.

Third - Your explanation of attacking four times during a shield might be correct - it can be hugely profitable and more than recover losses but here's the thing - that is at least just as true for non-engineered bases and often even more so. Because while the engineered base basically consigns itself to being totally or near-totally destroyed every time, the traditional base will often get a big shield without suffering max losses. They will mitigate their losses of whatever resource is most valuable to them - usually elixir and dark - by placing it near the center and near the best defenses. So they'll often take 42% losses, preserve most of the resources that really matter to them, and get the same opportunity to attack under shields that the engineered bases have.

Fourth - Engineered bases will suffer greater losses than regular bases much more frequently and therefore spend more of their attack time recovering losses before they can start actually gaining loot. It's not "hard" but attacking successfully several times during a shield does require time and diligence, which is what I really said - not "a poor engineer with TH11 troops has soo much problems recovering loot cause he is stomped every day".

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Originally Posted by Rephren

ULTIMA ONLINE WAS AWESOME,,,,!,!,

Literally played for years.

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Same here haha. 0 mana suits ftw!

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Originally Posted by rurunix

Think about the mass amount of money it takes to make a defenseless account, that's money in their pocket!

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This is a myth

I have a clanmate who has a defenseless TH11 with 15/16/11 heroes
Hasn't spent a cent

Plenty of others have decent defenseless accounts without having gemmed them

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Originally Posted by TGA1

Clan war was and still is only thing exciting about clash (to you). Now I don't care much about clan war. It's getting old after all these years. We, as players, need something new like a tournament, or some kind of new mode to play a game.

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This is opinion, sorry.
I quite like farming, and the game had MILLIONS of players before war even existed.