Clan War Matchmaking Improvements

I agree with the OP! Except for the part about max dragons, because they only go up to level 6

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Originally Posted by bigwinw

I am pretty sure when he says no walls he means Defenseless. I have not seen maybe bases without walls that have normal defenses.

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I have seen this actually. I don't have any insider info into the OPs clan but I did see a clan in global in the last few weeks that was named nowalls (or something to that effect - not exact name on purpose). Everyone in the clan was completely lacking in walls. Not a single account out of 42 had a single wall piece. These were NOT defenseless bases either. They had a serious range of accounts with normal defense levels, just no walls at all.

The guy in global said that is just the way they want to play. He was rather proud of it in fact.

I get the feeling that the OP was talking about this type of clan. If they are being lumped into the "Engineered" group then the new MM is doing more than looking at weights - it is specifically targeting bases without walls as a special case when making the match.

If this is true it is very interesting to me.

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Originally Posted by KillenTime

I don't know how to write an algorithm - I just want the game to be fun again. The war matchups are killing the game. It seems simple enough to not match clans with TH11s with clans who don't have TH11s. Then folks can decide at what level they want to play - add TH11's and be stuck with the results or play below the TH11s threshold. What's so hard about that?

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It isn't hard at all but it adds more exclusions into a MM that is already taking too long for some. It's that balance between time and fairness that is hard to strike. I think tbh we have to accept that they are doing the best they can with a very difficult problem when it comes to the match maker. They have been trying to perfect it for a number of years.

It is interesting though that some people are prepared to wait longer in clouds for an attack that lasts 2.5 minutes than others are prepared to wait for a war match that lasts 47 hours :)

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Originally Posted by xc3ss1v30n3

Mods... Any chance we could split the forum based on an IQ test?

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Only if you want one half to have about 100 people in it. Would be great conversation followed by long gaps of silence.

The first step in proper matchmaking, is to eliminate defenseless accounts. The sheer amount of advantage by lowering overall weight, especially when 10+ of these are added into a roster, is the say the least, astounding.

There are a lot of ways to game the system right now, but this is the biggest headache of them all and a gross way to get an advantage. I'd like to see a system in war where this is not possible.

At the very least, assign a "minimum weight" that these types of bases bring in.

Example: defenseless TH11 brings in at the very least two max th9s. That would be at the very least 100k weight for that account.

I'd be happy to elaborate if needed. But these accounts are pretty stupid and mind boggling why this is allowed with the sheer number of people crying for a mismatch.

This is probably the biggest reason for mismatches and should be addressed at some point in the next year.

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Originally Posted by Tominator2

Why be the same as everyone else variety is the spice of life. You are right we could build walls but the idea was to have an unusual clan that players could still be in and not be ridiculed for being different. The clan was started long before engineering was a thing. Many will let these fun accounts go inactive and may or may not continue playing other accounts or at least that is the case in my clan.

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So basically what you are saying is that you want your clan to be unique AND you want the matchmaking algorithm (which has the stated aim of matching you with a clan that is similar) to find you a quick match.

These aims would appear to be diametrically opposed, would they not?

This is SO true. In the current war they have 2 TH11's. This is a 15 v 15 war. One is at #1 as a max, just like our #1. The other is at #10 and has 34/34/20 heroes. Many of his troops and spells are maxed too. This basically gives them 2 chances at our #1 to get a 2 star instead of 1. Since most wars come down to how good the #1 gets hit this gives them the advantage.

I would love to see SC remove the ability to use defenseless bases in war.

bonsoir, je me permets se message, car les guerres de clan n'ont plus aucune saveurs.
nous fesons des gdc non stop, et toutes les gdc se ressemblent, on se bats dur et fort meme si la gdc est deja tronqué d'avance vu le déséquilibre.
supercell devais soit disant faire quelque chose, et au final c est pire

des th 11 avec troupes max qui tombent contre des hdv 8, cela déviens franchement deplorables et cela tue les gdc

sans vouloir offusqués personnenes, mais voila, j'avais besoin de le dire car les gdc n 'ont plus de valeur stratégiques et les clans de guerre meurrent

merci de m'avoir lu
et une vraie réponse de modérateur pas un faux ou mensonges serais bienvenue

Hmmm... they could assign a minimum weight per TH lvl in order to join wars. Set it so that people could still rush to some extent without being penalized, but not so much that they thwart the MM system.

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Originally Posted by blombardo

It's been over 95 hours since we could find a war in one of our clans... we've tried 20 25 and 30x with each 'no war match found 'error. these continued 'improvements' are just awful.... I've reported it in game - a few other clans are also not able to match...

These same exact accounts have been used for years without a problem... suddenly they cant get a war...

very strange.

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Congratulations Chief, you are so well engineered that nobody can be found that is your equal - Kudos :)