Clan War Matchmaking Improvements

We have 6 TH9...they have 7 TH9 plus 2 TH10 (engineered) in a 15 man war. I think we're going to put goblins in the cc and call it a day

We haven't had a match in over 10 wars not even remotely close,
we don't even war now because of your matchmaking,
Thanks for messing it up.

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Originally Posted by Bkt26

Short of reading through 1.7k replies, can I have a quick consensus on how is war matching now (before coming update)?

Am I right to say:

1. For engineering clans, you'll get matched to other engineering clans. There might be severe mismatches but it's fair game since you chose this route.

2. For non engineering clans, matching has improved substantially and you won't get matched against engineering clans too often.

That is the sense I'm getting.

Please use general trends (say, more than half the time) over sufficient number of wars to comment and not base on occasional mismatches.

My leader has insisted that everyone engineers but I'm trying to convince him that it's not advantageous to do so anymore.

Thank you!

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Did you consider what you said in point one ('you chose this route ')? Looks like you just want it to be fair for you.... Even engineered bases have a right to expect a fair war matchup.

Your leader won't be able to make a fair decision based on a biased survey.

Make the matchmaking to where only specific townhall levels can ONLY ATTACK THEIR TOWNHALL LEVEL, not higher not lower... the builder base has nothing to do about war, why match it with the certain bases?

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Originally Posted by Bkt26

Short of reading through 1.7k replies, can I have a quick consensus on how is war matching now (before coming update)?

Am I right to say:

1. For engineering clans, you'll get matched to other engineering clans. There might be severe mismatches but it's fair game since you chose this route.

2. For non engineering clans, matching has improved substantially and you won't get matched against engineering clans too often.

That is the sense I'm getting.

Please use general trends (say, more than half the time) over sufficient number of wars to comment and not base on occasional mismatches.

My leader has insisted that everyone engineers but I'm trying to convince him that it's not advantageous to do so anymore.

Thank you!

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so is it the improvement they have made? even the engineers not getting fair match at all, iwars are one sided nowadays.

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Originally Posted by Wawa03

A good matchmaking algorithm if weighing things correctly really would have no need of a base weight for a town hall. Merely weighing those things that give the next town hall the advantage over the lower town hall enough would make it so town hall level wouldn't matter in the mma. Sc probably figures this as well it is just Sc fails to do this properly. We as players know what these things are. Defensively what these advantage are is obvious. Supercell has always failed to weigh ths offensive side correctly in conjunction with the defensive. A good mma would understand how valuable a warden and max bowitch troops are in war and weigh them properly they just don't.

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I believe that a fair matchup should take into account the attacking abilities of the players too. SC will lose players that are bored by running over enemies and weak attackers will lose interest because they get overrun. SC needs to provide a way to prevent sandbagging too. It's a complex thing we're asking for. Cut them some slack and expect several iterations before they get the best fit.

I’ve been patient over the last month to see how it all turns out and I must say the matchmaking is definitely WORSE. We are constantly getting lopsided matchups. Getting matched with multiple th11s when we have none and this is where we lose the war. The th11s can 3 star our th10s or at the very least get a higher % than we can on their top th10s. While their 10s are free to take out our 9s or get good scouts in for their 11 attacks.

Also, matchmaking does seem to take longer. Resetting the matchmaking over and over again after 10 or 15 minutes and then finally getting fed up and just letting it roll where it takes 30 minutes or more. And when we finally get it, we are always getting matched to engineered clans. Our last couple of war matchups(and I’ll list just the tops because that is where we are losing). We have 1 th10 and 3 th9s, they had 2 th10s and 2 th11s(their 11s were lopsided but had max troop cap and mid level wardens). Our current match up: We have 2 th10s, and 3 th9s. Enemy has 2 th10s, 2 th11s and 4 th9s...?????????

Occasionally we get a fair match up of town halls up top and we do usually win those but it is rare. It seems to me over the last month it has became rare to get a fair match up. It’s like it has flipped.....We use to occasionally get an unfair match up against engineering bases now its rare to get a fair one.

My clan is not liking the new algorithm at all.

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Originally Posted by MisterOz

Last random war was also so idiotic I made a video on it but didn't publish it as this new Change during the Maint Break we just had was going to Fix it some more. In that one we had 2/5/18 and they had 8/10/6.

All were Specifically Upgraded. Meaning, designed with one or two attacks in mind only. And all of these in our current war, all have wardens. Not maxed at 20. But that isn't the point. A base with Max air, max xbows times 3, half max point def for TH10 and half TH9 isn't Rushed and has no place sitting somewhere in the TH9s area.

Last one, they were all designed. This one looks to be about 50 percent designed and 50 percent rushed or badly engineered (like bottom 2 Th9s are defenseless with either no dark troops or level 1 dark troops only, really quite sad). In either case, we don't want to face this.

There is no joy bullying a defenseless base. There is no joy some TH11 garbage spam almost anything (eg, max miners with warden and extra spells) and wipe out a TH9 on our bases. It means, we don't have a hope to even get a single defense UNLESS they are so so very bad it isn't funny and that is why they upgraded ahead of time.

What joy do they get?

I fail to see what is so hard about adding one single final TH v TH check. Oh look, 5 TH11 vs 13, no match, move on. Why isn't that a thing? Why cant we have a No Dip option in our search? So even if we match like this, they can only attack our elevens and thus there is no advantage to trying to manipulate the war weight.

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Is this THE Mister Clash? Love your channel - one of my faves for sure. Even like your corny jokes 😄

If the matchups are already horrendously long, adding more constraints won't improve it. I see a lot of complaints about how there's "no chance" with this matchup that win or lose by a couple stars or by percentage points. I think that SC should start with clan level and total wins when they filter the matchups and then add constraints in. I think that would help sort out a lot of the inequities.

Mister, what's brown and sticky? A stick!

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Originally Posted by MisterOz

I fail to see what is so hard about adding one single final TH v TH check. Oh look, 5 TH11 vs 13, no match, move on. Why isn't that a thing? Why cant we have a No Dip option in our search? So even if we match like this, they can only attack our elevens and thus there is no advantage to trying to manipulate the war weight.

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Dorsan is pretty convincing with his numbers that it would be too hard to require exact matches of th11s. I do think they could go with only 1 difference in th11s at 10v10, 2 at 15, 3 at 20, something like that.

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Originally Posted by Mark0

I believe that a fair matchup should take into account the attacking abilities of the players too. SC will lose players that are bored by running over enemies and weak attackers will lose interest because they get overrun. SC needs to provide a way to prevent sandbagging too. It's a complex thing we're asking for. Cut them some slack and expect several iterations before they get the best fit.

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As long as the war record is the only thing we are fighting for I totally disagree. Skill shouldn't be taken into account for the match. Skill should be what determines the winner. Now, if they started a clan war trophy system it would be totally different.

I'm liking these changes. We are a clan that refused to get fake numbers with engineering manipulation.
We are getting short search times and fair matches against other real warriors. Well done supercell.