Clan War Matchmaking Improvements

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Originally Posted by TheWarDictator

I bet you weren't complaining when you had the advantage.

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Our advantage is that we are better attackers. Our TH9s beat their TH9s and so on. We didn't win every war, but we had a fair chance. Now, they get 12 TH11 attacks and we get 6. Our TH9s have to hit bases they can't hope to 3 star, so that puts us even further behind in number of attacks. We know as soon as the match comes in that we have lost already. After 3 years playing with the understanding that developing my base would help me, its a punch in the gut to learn that all that work is counterproductive suddenly.

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Originally Posted by Fiscal

Our advantage is that we are better attackers. Our TH9s beat their TH9s and so on. We didn't win every war, but we had a fair chance. Now, they get 12 TH11 attacks and we get 6. Our TH9s have to hit bases they can't hope to 3 star, so that puts us even further behind in number of attacks. We know as soon as the match comes in that we have lost already. After 3 years playing with the understanding that developing my base would help me, its a punch in the gut to learn that all that work is counterproductive suddenly.

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Why don't you post actual data? Like hero levels and base weight. I'm sure people would love to decide for themselves if the matchup was truly terrible.

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Originally Posted by vikingGoalie

i just don't get it. The solution is dead easy. Match ups should be based on offense. You have a TH11 army, you count as a TH11.

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Sure it sounds easy when you put it like that. But then again, you haven't considered everything. So if you have a TH3 army, you count as a TH3? Even if you're a TH11 with infernos and an EAGLE? I can't imagine anything more disastrous for the game or more disastrous for new players just starting out. For that matter, what exactly is a TH11 army anyway? Is a TH11 army the kind of army that someone has the minute their townhall is a TH11 and therefore, new townhalls are considered the same as maxed townhalls? Or is it when they unlock certain troops? Because I know of at least one clan with a monstrously long winning streak who achieved it by doing very much what you described.

How do you score this one offensively?

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The solution is far more complicated than you're giving it credit. If it were so easy, it'd be perfect already. The matchmaking still needs improvement for a lot of teams and Supercell will continue to adjust. Keep providing feedback, but let's leave the actual logistics to the professionals. There's a lot more to it than any of us could imagine.

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Originally Posted by vikingGoalie

i just don't get it. The solution is dead easy. Match ups should be based on offense. You have a TH11 army, you count as a TH11. Winning wars seems more about how many attacks you can get down a TH then the other guy. (i.e. a TH11 attacking TH10 defenses)

If you count the same based on offense it will force people to build up their defenses. For those that say someone would just max their defenses bu have a th5 army or some non-sense. Farming against TH11's with a TH6 army, good luck with that one.

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If a new MMA came out tomorrow that measured only offense and did not score defense at all I would immediately begin building an offenseless (inoffensive) base. one level one camp. one level one barracks. no spell factory. Max Cannons, archer towers etc.

Just saying.

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Originally Posted by TheWarDictator

Why don't you post actual data? Like hero levels and base weight. I'm sure people would love to decide for themselves if the matchup was truly terrible.

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Base weight?! How is that even relevant when a TH11 with a Warden and max Air Troops can weigh less than a max 7?

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Originally Posted by Dtownies

Base weight?! How is that even relevant when a TH11 with a Warden and max Air Troops can weigh less than a max 7?

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Because it shows the relative offense and defense levels for both clans. Instead of just saying we have 6 warden attacks to their 12 which doesn't mean much. It would be much better to see clan A with 45/45/20, 45/45/20, 45/45/20 and then see the corresponding clan B. Maybe clan B has 45/45/20, 40/40/20, 35/35/15, 20/30/20, 30/30/10, 10/10/10. which is basically nothing. Or does clan B have 45/45/20, 45/45/20, 45/45/20, 45/45/20, 45/45/20, 45/45/20 which is much different.

Likewise with defense, is it 109K, 109K, 109K for clan A and then 109K, 107K, 102K, 41K, 35K, 21K for clan B. Or is it more like 109K, 109K, 109K, 109K, 109K, 109K. There is a big difference to each and without numbers, nobody can have an informed debate.

Hmm... been a while since I've been on the forums, holidays are a wonderful thing. :cool: Apparently I'm one of the outliers here judging by the contempt of the new update, but I must say that since the update we have found our matches very fair and very even. In our 6 wars since the update we have had:

3 end in equal stars where it came down to percentage
1 end up with a one star difference
1 with a 5 star difference but I must say the bases we were up against were very poory designed
1 where the matchup was fair imo but the other clan gave up halfway through

So as for all of the claims that matchmaking has become worse, I don't see it personally.

I also see many people on here complaining about th11s th10s outnumbering them or matching up with their lower bases. The part that frustrates me about these complaints (we see the same matchups) is that people don't understand what actually makes up a th11 base or makes it effective. We've been more than outmatched if you're just compairing ths but if you look deeper the advantage isn't actually what it appears and we end up competing extremely well.

I've been on here before and talked about engineering and the matchmaking process, imo things have improved, people's understanding of what is and isn't a fair matchup on the other hand has not improved. There are so many variables that go into a war that a completely 'even' war match would be impossible under any circumstances. My opinion is that things have improved and I'm sure tweaks will be made to continue the improvement, as it should.

^ great post. agreed.

It seems like extreme engineering, defenseless, is still effective.

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Originally Posted by SumoSloth

Hmm... been a while since I've been on the forums, holidays are a wonderful thing. :cool: Apparently I'm one of the outliers here judging by the contempt of the new update, but I must say that since the update we have found our matches very fair and very even. In our 6 wars since the update we have had:

3 end in equal stars where it came down to percentage
1 end up with a one star difference
1 with a 5 star difference but I must say the bases we were up against were very poory designed
1 where the matchup was fair imo but the other clan gave up halfway through

So as for all of the claims that matchmaking has become worse, I don't see it personally.

I also see many people on here complaining about th11s th10s outnumbering them or matching up with their lower bases. The part that frustrates me about these complaints (we see the same matchups) is that people don't understand what actually makes up a th11 base or makes it effective. We've been more than outmatched if you're just compairing ths but if you look deeper the advantage isn't actually what it appears and we end up competing extremely well.

I've been on here before and talked about engineering and the matchmaking process, imo things have improved, people's understanding of what is and isn't a fair matchup on the other hand has not improved. There are so many variables that go into a war that a completely 'even' war match would be impossible under any circumstances. My opinion is that things have improved and I'm sure tweaks will be made to continue the improvement, as it should.

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I'm willing to assume you analyzed the actual match itself before the war started and that it was an even match. The end result being close tells me very little about whether it was an even match, though.