Clan War Matchmaking Improvements

Supercell please stop trying to fix things. Please. This matchmaking update is killing my very active clan. Every war since the update has been against a very heavily engineered clan. With the exception of one clanmate who went to TH11 as engineered (he is grandfathered in), we want folks to max their TH before heading to the next one. Most of us go .5 until we get our offenses up. The update made matchmaking worse for everyone except the engineers. We have faced worse engineering than we have seen before. Our last war we did an experiment and we kept out all the .5s and the one engineered guy. It didn't make a bit of difference. We still ended up with TH11s matched against our TH9s. I don't believe SC did it on purpose but this matchmaking update has made it worse for any clan that encouraged non-engineering. I shouldn't be surprised. SC has a history of updates with unforeseen consequences but if they don't remove this matchmaking update soon they are going to chase out some very committed players from my clan. The Engineers spend a lot of money. I get that. But if wars are a losing cause for bases we've spent years working people will leave.

Supercell is going to make it that the only war option outside of engineering is FWA. Is this the really the way you envisioned your game being played, Supercell? You can either have predetermined wars or leave your villagers completely undefended? What ever happened to the loading message that a strong defense is just as important as a strong offense? You have shown in the past, i.e. Town Hall sniping, of making the unpopular decision for the betterment of the game. It is time to step up again and show engineering is not a play style, it is a virus that must be eradicated if the game is to have a future.

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Originally Posted by TheWarDictator

Yep, smart clans will adapt. Dumb clans will keep whining.

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Sorry, but the "if you can't beat them, join them" tactic is a load of you know what. Not everyone has the time/money to develop an engineered 2nd, 3rd, 4th, account. Also, in the same defense of people using .5 (i.e. I can upgrade my base strategically with war weight in mind), players that want to max each level and build new defenses as they progress shouldn't have to alter their preferred playing style just so they have a chance in war. So, by the same defense engineers are using... "MM should be fair..." it works both ways. Engineers shouldn't have to max just like maxers shouldn't have to engineer. Bottom line, MM needs to be fixed so that EVERY base building path has fair matchups.

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Originally Posted by xc3ss1v30n3

Sorry, but the "if you can't beat them, join them" tactic is a load of you know what. Not everyone has the time/money to develop an engineered 2nd, 3rd, 4th, account. Also, in the same defense of people using .5 (i.e. I can upgrade my base strategically with war weight in mind), players that want to max each level and build new defenses as they progress shouldn't have to alter their preferred playing style just so they have a chance in war. So, by the same defense engineers are using... "MM should be fair..." it works both ways. Engineers shouldn't have to max just like maxers shouldn't have to engineer. Bottom line, MM needs to be fixed so that EVERY base building path has fair matchups.

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Yep, they don't have to but they also shouldn't be whining when their prefered style of play doesn't get the results that they want.

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Originally Posted by TheWarDictator

Yep, they don't have to but they also shouldn't be whining when their prefered style of play doesn't get the results that they want.

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You mean like engineers are "whining" when they're matched against even more engineered clans and are at a disadvantage? Where does it end? Expecting that they improve the system isn't whining.

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Originally Posted by xc3ss1v30n3

You mean like engineers are "whining" when they're matched against even more engineered clans and are at a disadvantage? Where does it end? Expecting that they improve the system isn't whining.

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Should they improve the system? Obviously yes. Should they cater to somebody's prefered playstyle? Absolutely not.

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Originally Posted by TheWarDictator

Yep, they don't have to but they also shouldn't be whining when their prefered style of play doesn't get the results that they want.

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Ummmm. Supercell said "one of our most important goals in matchmaking for Clan Wars is to ensure that each Clan is more evenly matched against the other" and "we are making improvements to how the algorithm functions in order to address “engineered bases” in the matchmaking feature." It is not whining to point out they made it worse. Your use of whining shows you are defensive (ironic right?) about it. I'm not trying to take away your engineered TH10 or 11, but you shouldn't be matched against a TH 9 or 8 every single war. Aren't you going to get bored? The TH 8/9s are going to quit so I guess it won't be a problem for long.

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Originally Posted by TheWarDictator

Should they improve the system? Obviously yes. Should they cater to somebody's prefered playstyle? Absolutely not.

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Never said they should cater to any single play style for war. It's not an easy job to tackle because of the freedom to build how you like. I don't envy SC on this at all. But the war MM should be fair for everyone. No one should have to "adapt to MM," MM should adapt to the play styles. Simply saying people need to adapt to the engineered play style is disingenuous.

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Originally Posted by TheWarDictator

Should they improve the system? Obviously yes. Should they cater to somebody's prefered playstyle? Absolutely not.

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At the end of the day they want to make money, its a business. Not catering for 1000s of people prefered playstyles they obviously will lose accounts and money.

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Originally Posted by Ste123

At the end of the day they want to make money, its a business. Not catering for 1000s of people prefered playstyles they obviously will lose accounts and money.

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Aren't they not catering to the non-engineered playstyle by not fixing the matchmaker? It seems they have tried to please both, but haven't been successful in finding a way to do so. They might just have to pick one and go for it, much like they did with hall sniping.