Clan War Matchmaking Improvements

hahahaha Damiz, you don't know how close you are to the truth.

You forgot to add that Darian needs to say, "We're a small team." (TM)

There are a few 'grain' silo's opposite SC headquarters in the open field next to them. (I've seen pictures from Boom Beach staff) and my guess is that's where they keep their cash. They climb the ladder at lunchtime to dive into their cash like scrooge mcduck. On their way down they giggle with glee and scream, "ENGINEERED BASES WILL NEVER GO AWAY, THEY ARE WHAT FUNDS THESE MONEY SILO's!, HEE HEE HEEE HEEEEEEEEE."

Ok, madness aside, it would be nice to hear what they think, although for heavens sakes if we get a "we are continuing to monitor the situation and tweak as needed." I will scream. And that's all they're prepared to give us guys, so better we just shut the hell up and say nothing, moan about nothing, stop all the complaining and just play the game they've given us. If the game becomes too broken in our eyes as players, eventually people will quit and those money silo's will get smaller and smaller, eventually when one of the devs goes for his daily jump, he'll hit his head on the floor and wonder....why oh why....didn't I realise engineered bases would kill this game off one day. Then, the sharks will circle, calling for who was responsible.

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Originally Posted by Pluribus

Any chance we can have some input on how they feel it is working? By reading the feedback thread at best the reception is 50/50. I know my clan has never had worse matchups.

Just wanted to see if the matchmaker is going as expected in which case my clan will stop warring or can we expect fair wars in the future.

Thanks

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Before -- about every 3rd clan was engineered
After -- all engineered -- though 1 had really bad players and 1 had ok players

We are close to being level 10. We may take a vacation from wars when we hit it until they get it together. My hubby will be happy that I am not warring as that it when I buy gems. Oh well.

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Originally Posted by Rephren

Ok, madness aside, it would be nice to hear what they think, although for heavens sakes if we get a "we are continuing to monitor the situation and tweak as needed." I will scream.

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Try not to scream too loudly. This is the only response I've seen from SC about the impact of the MM:

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Originally Posted by Darian[Supercell]

Seeing how Clan War matchmaking is affected by the updates is something we're constantly monitoring. There have been quite a bit of positive feedback from the changes so we're happy with how it has been going. However, it's no surprise that those of a competitive mien will find new and creative ways to min/max the new system as well. One of the things we shared was that we can make adjustments to the weighting system as needed if that is what needs to be done. It's only been a few days so the reports wouldn't give a fair statistical sampling of what's going on at the global level. I can anecdotally say our matchups in my own Clan have been much better as well, as our past 2 wars have been very challenging and closer to a near 50/50 chance of winning. But, I've seen a few instances where it hasn't been perfect either - and that's inevitable due to the law of averages and the nature of statistical anomalies.

In short, we're keeping an eye on it and seeing how the landscape evolves with these changes. If further tuning needs to be made, we'll make sure to communicate changes are incoming as well.

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DamnBORG, excellent post, precisely what I've been trying to inform people of for ages. I think some people just don't want to believe it, they somehow believe Supercell is like the guys who made Age of Empires, or Starcraft, where the game mechanics are there for you to have fun. They didn't implement a technique whereby if you pay 5 bucks now, you can have your next army up immediately, or pay 5 bucks and have the enemy's base shown to you. Their game mechanics were for fun only.

Yes, most realise SC is not in it for just gameplay, but to make money too, but most also have no googled how freemium company's make their cash - with cheap tricks most of the time. (Builder Base loot cap anyone?, Hero's not in war? etc etc), OK, sure they need to make cash, I won't grudge them the cheap tricks, its the name of the game in any case (freemium games). So lets not skin supercell just yet... they deserve the ability to make money. I have NO problems with that. Have at it.

My problem is where WAR is currently concerned. DamnBORGS post is explicitly telling us how his engineered clan is cleaning up. Destroying maxer or semi engineered clans. (Everyone and their dog are trying to engineer now - building defences is old fashioned these days, who needs em?) I actually attract bad attackers with an engineered base, the attacker gets little loot and gives me a fat shield. My base that is maxed actually gets good attackers that mostly 3 star me in Multiplayer. So there is actually little reason to max your base (unless you're the anchor at the top of a war lineup).

That all said, you can see that engineered/lopsided bases is literally the direction SC is taking the game. They will not nuke engineering and engineered bases are LITERALLY ruling the war landscape. So SC is pro-engineering, the point is moot.

DamnBORG's impact on their earnings is spot on.

Think about it - 1) they nuke engineering, plenty people quit, many people stop spending money (Engineering is too big now to just kill off not without a huge hit to earnings - the maxers spending cash again because of fair wars will be a log in the path of a hurricane.)

2) They decide to 'alter' the matchmaker, and tell their player base its something they're continually working on and 'tweaking'. Engineered bases continue to mushroom, but the maxer has hope that their base will one day again be important in war, so they keep on playing, keep on spending etc.

think about it... if you were Supercell, what would YOU do to keep making big bucks but try placate the maxers over the engineering crisis? You'd do exactly what SC are currently doing. Hand out hope, which keeps maxers spending and keeps engineered bases tops and spending. It's genius really. Well done SC, if I had digital hands, I'd clap them. You are faaaaaar from stupid, and anyone who thinks SC are incompetent are dead wrong. They may have made blunders before, sure, that's normal, but in every decision they make they ask themself one important question:

How will it make us the most money?

Once people realise this fact, they will be happier with their expectations of where the game is or in their minds should be. I'm not trying to out supercell, I'm trying to help people realise where the game is so they can know what to expect. I have done this and I must say I am adapting and am a much happier person, knowing these things.

Obviously I hope for the death of engineering one day, but, until then, my expectation for this game keeps me going.

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Originally Posted by OnyxDS

Try not to scream too loudly. This is the only response I've seen from SC about the impact of the MM:

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Indeed, screaming will just lead to a hoarse throat.

To further expand on the post you quoted, we HAVE seen improvements in the matches since the update went into place and that is what I was referring to when I stated we were happy about that. However, that does not mean we're completely satisfied with it either. We recognize that further iterations are needed and further changes will be made.

We have some additional proposed tweaks planned that we'll talk about when they're ready to be discussed in the next couple weeks.

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Originally Posted by Darian[Supercell]

Indeed, screaming will just lead to a hoarse throat.

To further expand on the post you quoted, we HAVE seen improvements in the matches since the update went into place and that is what I was referring to when I stated we were happy about that. However, that does not mean we're completely satisfied with it either. We recognize that further iterations are needed and further changes will be made.

We have some additional proposed tweaks planned that we'll talk about when they're ready to be discussed in the next couple weeks.

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I would love for you to come to our clan and see the ridiculous war matchup!

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Originally Posted by Darian[Supercell]

Indeed, screaming will just lead to a hoarse throat.

To further expand on the post you quoted, we HAVE seen improvements in the matches since the update went into place and that is what I was referring to when I stated we were happy about that. However, that does not mean we're completely satisfied with it either. We recognize that further iterations are needed and further changes will be made.

We have some additional proposed tweaks planned that we'll talk about when they're ready to be discussed in the next couple weeks.

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BUT... how do you MEASURE that improvement?

Feedback on the forum doesn't seem very positive. Of course there is reporting bias, but even so, it doesn't seem great. And some of the matches described in detail look very wrong.

And the few wars I've seen haven't been great. Our last 2 looked fairly horrible, and we were only rescued by the fact the first enemy didn't attack at all, and the second started to, before being wiped out by either the octupus or some clan drama. We can't keep relying on them not attacking to have a chance :unsure:

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Originally Posted by Darian[Supercell]

Indeed, screaming will just lead to a hoarse throat.

To further expand on the post you quoted, we HAVE seen improvements in the matches since the update went into place and that is what I was referring to when I stated we were happy about that. However, that does not mean we're completely satisfied with it either. We recognize that further iterations are needed and further changes will be made.

We have some additional proposed tweaks planned that we'll talk about when they're ready to be discussed in the next couple weeks.

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Can you share with the rest of us how your lineup looks for the war searches?

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Originally Posted by Darian[Supercell]

Indeed, screaming will just lead to a hoarse throat.

To further expand on the post you quoted, we HAVE seen improvements in the matches since the update went into place and that is what I was referring to when I stated we were happy about that. However, that does not mean we're completely satisfied with it either. We recognize that further iterations are needed and further changes will be made.

We have some additional proposed tweaks planned that we'll talk about when they're ready to be discussed in the next couple weeks.

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I'm not exaggerating when I say we have never had worse matchups. I can't keep pressing "Start War" for the next couple of weeks and expect my clan to continue to stay active. Why have the matchups gotten worse???

It's going to be pretty pointless posting angry comments about MM without the numbers behind it. If this eventually achieves the desired results there are going to be engineers on here raging about MM and it will be hard for us filthy maxers to see the wood for the trees.