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Do you really thing people should be rewarded for changing the way they upgrade their bases for war? Are you implying people who play traditionally are playing non-optimally and should realize that before they complain? How dare you! :mad::mad::mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ripple1972
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I could see something like that working but only if it was 1 for 1. By that I mean only 1 attack. Then the players have to pick if they want to be offensive of defensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ripple1972
In basketball, it doesn't work to well if you give a guy two chances to make the shot when the defender has to use the same defensive move to block your "adjusted" second shot.
I don't have an answer, maybe 1 attack. Maybe everyone gets 1 attack, and half get a second. Like substitutions in sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperStorm103
I just cannot see a SC solution that is achieved through tweaking the current system. (Which is how I read darians message. Evolution). If I'm wrong I will admit it and give them credit.
Well that's the million dollar question isn't it? To be honest there are probably other forum members better equipped to answer this question than myself (Onyx,Cnaf,Dorsan etc)Quote:
Originally Posted by jobob145
However, one consistent belief among experienced members of the community is that the colour of the respective Town Hall(s) is fairly irrelevant.
There's also the post match variables of "did they turn up/use their attacks" and/or "were they rubbish at attacking" to also consider, which is often a contentious issue.
Sometimes we read about forum members complaining about a terrible match, then 24 hours later, we read "We won!". It's then easy to jump on the thread, and post "Well it obviously wasn't a bad match then wasn't it??" - discuss....hmmm!
Personally, I think that a match should be evaluated only at the point when the match is defined, regardless of the subsequent details of the war itself, but I realise others have different opinions here!
So, what is "ok"?
Back to the colour of the TH in particular, I posted the thread below at the end of May, where my own clan experienced a series of wars where we had TH11 deficits, but I deemed the matches fair/ok, at the time based upon actually evaluating the offensive and defensive strengths of both clans, regardless of the colour of the TH.
https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...es-v-Wardens-!
However, I feel many players have wide ranging opinions about what they would deem as "ok", especially (as you quite rightly intimated in your own post) if they prefer looking a matching TH colours, rather than actual offensive and defensive strength!:)
As a clasher for some 3+ years on my main base that is a TH9.5 and an engineered TH11 with minimal defenses and max loons/hound I have some insight into why I did it and why I still support it.
My clan got wrecked some 2 years ago in a 35v35 war by a clan with engineered bases back then. I saw it....drooled...and wanted it for myself. 8 months later and some gems spent, I got what I wanted and then some.
I constantly see this engineered versus "fair play" discussion constantly. The question is....who decides what "fair play" is.
Some me argue that Builder Base is setup so that you cannot engineer the base and require building defenses before upgrading town hall. OK Fine. If you apply that same logic to the regular TH and require everyone to build defenses, that will not solve engineering. I can build EVERY Level 1 defense at TH11 and still CHOOSE not to fully upgrade and max TH defenses. Therefore my war weight will still be lower and I'll be engineered.
Basically, I am the Billy Beane of Clash of Clans. If you don't get the reference, google Money Ball. Using statistics in baseball to cheaply build a baseball team to get hits and score runs. At the time, it was called crazy, now all baseball teams do it.
The long and the short of it are there are loopholes for both sides of the argument and there is no fix all solution that everyone will agree on. If you want my personal opinion, CoC WILL NOT nerf engineered bases because it is a very deep well of gems and money.
"I hate losing more than I want to win" - Billy Beane
And that's why they want to tailor to both sides. They aren't nerfing anything that could severely handicap the game further. Just like the people that complain on both sides are threatening to do. They are just hoping for a compromise, or buying time. Who really knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by S0RR0W
SC won't remove engineering, they will match engineers vs engineers... Now what? Engineers complaining because they face to many engineers? No more easy wins? LOL you're funny dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koray007
Biggest ♥♥ I ever read about this topic... What if a not engineered clan with fully maxed troops in each one of their bases is matched against a engineered one? They have the maximum attacking strength they can, so what the hell do you want they do, gemming just for a single war?Quote:
Originally Posted by Koray007
I insist, you're funny. As far as I know the only thing that ruined clan wars was engineering, thousands of clans have left the roster, making it smaller and harder to find a fair match, they left because clan wars were the only thing that keep them playing because they used to be funny; now they are the most stressful and frustrating aspect of this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koray007
The day SC fix the matchmaking will be the best change they ever made for the sake of the community. They won't to get rid off your loved engineering, you just will face another engineering clans, thats all, fair and happy play for everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koray007
People repeated that line again and again about modders. I guess some modders believed it, right up until their perma-bans landed. SC will do whatever it takes to protect the long term (multi decade in their thinking) viability of the game, even if it means wiping out millions of current players.Quote:
Originally Posted by S0RR0W
And i dont even think engineers spend much. The engineered accounts I've seen have spent zero. And whenever we meet a clan thats hugely engineered they are always doing it to war without heroes and avoid gemming - ie as a way to spend LESS money. Engineered bases are costing SC a huge amount i suspect
Billy Beane's teams have to compete against other Major League teams, regardless of what he does. You are making your clan weaker so you don't get matched up against the stronger clans. Billy is actually trying to make his team as strong as he is able to.Quote:
Originally Posted by S0RR0W
I'll put you a good example. Imagine you are the Coach of a sport team, whatever sport... You are participating in a tournament for under 17 years kids only, but one of the teams align a few overaged players with more experience and strength than normal U17 kids. They seem like 17 but they are not, that team has a clearly advantage over all their opponents. Would this seems fair for you as part of one of the other teams? And this has happen irl indeed. I don't know how familiarized are you with soccer topic, but African National Teams used to enlist elder players (who appeared to have the right age) in juvenile tournaments and what do you guess? They championed multiple times. Idk if this is fair for you, but surely not for the major part of people and is exactly what's happening in CoC with clan wars and engineering.Quote:
Originally Posted by S0RR0W