Has your Sanctuary Animal rewarded you yet?

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Originally Posted by Elfriede

max of two every derby

;-)

... this is a max of 104 puzzle pieces per year!

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Yes a max of two every derby. On rows 3 and 6 ☺️

Yeah 104...but that's just derby, remeber we also get them on treasure chests and boats. Everything will add up. Slowly but surely.

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Originally Posted by Luckyloo

Yes a max of two every derby. On rows 3 and 6 ☺️

Yeah 104...but that's just derby, remeber we also get them on treasure chests and boats. Everything will add up. Slowly but surely.

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Exactly. Though I really hope the one in 250+ boats thing that currently seems to be happening is a bug of some kind :o. I haven't found any in chests yet, by the way.

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Originally Posted by Elfriede

I come to the same conclusion.
I thought there is something to "play" with. But all I can do is waiting.... " Who is Godot?"/Samuel Beckett

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I've just named my hippo "Godot". Thanks for the inspiration, Elfriede!

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Originally Posted by Elfriede

Elephants need mud on their skin because otherwise they get a sunburn.
And mud protects against insects.
That's no joke!
The muddy elephant is actually realistic. ;-)

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This is true, and I originally assumed that the mud was on the elephant to give it an "action" that gave a nod to realistic happy, healthy animal behavior--unlike the silently screaming, tongueless, splay-legged giraffe. It would be a bit more fun if the shower cleaned the elephant and then it sprayed mud on itself. I also wish the hippo had some interaction with water since they spend a huge amount of their lives tootling around on the bottom of rivers. Rather than a dry, baked area for the animals, couldn't there have been a big pool in the middle that they (especially the elephants and hippos) walked into? As far as I'm concerned, my hippo could sit in the pool all day coming up, wiggling its ears and opening its mouth. I feel sorry for it on dry land. I tried putting its "home" near the river since someone posted that it would sleep in the river. I was thrilled when it did that--once. Since then it has slept in different spots on the land. Couldn't the giraffes have had browsing behavior as their "action"? I, for one, would prefer a more natural "action" for my animals than something cutesy like sweeping the dust.

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Originally Posted by BostonRott

The graphics in and around the sanctuary are beautiful and I can only imagine the time they took to create.

One if the things I love about Hay day is the thinking/planning aspect of it. There is an ability to plan and to work hard towards a goal/achievement an then to be rewarded for it. I love that. We see this in short term goals/tasks with Derby and easier Achievements, and with longer term goals/tasks in opening land and harder Achievements.

There is a cardinal rule in dog training (or in teaching) that in order for the student to make forward progress, there must be reward. Reward strengthens a given behavior. Psychology 101. Part and parcel with that concept is that reward must be: of perceived value, received frequently enough to be apreciated, and viewed as attainable. If you have just eaten a giant meal, and I offer you a banana as "reward" for cleaning your room, the reward has little value because you are not hungry. If I offer to pay you a reward only once per month for cleaning your room very day, many will not see value in the reward because it is too infrequent.

I view the puzzle pieces, and now the Sanctuary, as unrewarding because they are entirely random and far too infrequent in appearance. There is no ability to work hard for them, thus motivation has been removed. Only 2 on boats, and I have filled over 90% of my boats since this started. None in chests, and at a rate of 1-2 per derby, a minimum of 18 weeks to possibly collect enough for one new animal (if they all actually went to the same animal).

From a pure psychology/training/reward-based view, the beautiful Sanctuary is a large Fail in my book. I do not like to complain, but hope that my post might be seen by the developers and offer some insight for improvement. :)

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I am in 100% agreement with this! There is virtually nothing about the sanctuary that inspires me to do anything except continue farming in the usual way.

The "rewards" are WAY too distant even for someone like me who appreciates the leisurely pace of farming without throwing masses of diamonds at the game. Originally there were things that seemed unimaginably distant (like getting 15,000 boat points for an achievement or harvesting umpteen thousand honeycombs for the 4th beehive), but by working the farm, those "rewards" eventually arrived. Just last week, I had the huge satisfaction of reaching level 100. I did some serious farming in the weeks leading up to it!

When the permits were introduced, I initially went into a frenzy of diamond-spending--Derby, red toolboxes, WoF. However, I'm over it. I still need quite a number of permits, but I'm no longer motivated to work harder (let alone spend diamonds) to get them. They are too rare and cannot be acquired through my farming--only random luck.

As a number of people have posted in this thread, the sanctuary is not only "unrewarding" in terms of the value of game pieces earned through townies or the animals themselves, it is totally passive. We are unable to make any decisions regarding the puzzle pieces other than if we choose to fill a boat that offers one. One more "incentive" to open toolboxes was totally unnecessary.

At the moment, I will continue to serve my townies (even 3-shop-shoppers) who request to see my hippo because I like watching them walk around the town I have so lovingly designed in order to reach the viewing area. The thrill of that will probably wear off especially if many walk through the station house like one did.

I assume that the permits and puzzle pieces were designed to entertain the long-time farmers who instantly acquire and master new crops and machines, no matter how high the "opening" level is. It is definitely important for SC to keep adding features at progressively higher levels, but it is equally important to me that the new features add farming value on a daily basis.

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Originally Posted by Luckyloo

Yes a max of two every derby. On rows 3 and 6 ☺️

Yeah 104...but that's just derby, remeber we also get them on treasure chests and boats. Everything will add up. Slowly but surely.

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So row 3+6=puzzle and 4+7=permit in Derby prizes?

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Originally Posted by FruitDaddy

So row 3+6=puzzle and 4+7=permit in Derby prizes?

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Exactly ☺️

I can understand why folks are upset, but did you think you'd have all the animals in a month? There are only 6 of them. They should take a while to get. And I like that I am actively working toward it - there are 2 pieces in my derby horseshoes and I worked for those....and I suspect puzzle pieces will be used strongly as incentives to complete special events or other things.


I haven't mastered many of my machines....it'll be ages before I master the feed mills or the lure and net makers! That's cool - some things should be hard.


The bird house....when I remember, we do crop requests, but I'm really in no hurry. It's just a part of the things we do. I'll probably get my 2 year statue before I get that little green gate.


Permit land - frustrating because holding land tools is tedious when you have no idea when the permits are coming. So I decided to dump all my lems until I was 1-2 permits away from the next plot. This has worked perfectly. It takes me about that long to assemble 30 each, and right around then I would get my last permits. I have 2 plots left to go, and I don't open locked red chests so it's my choice to go slower.


My friend cleared all of her land months ago and has 132/132 and mastered every machine - she complains constantly that she has nothing left to achieve! She's thrilled to be hunting puzzle pieces - as elusive as they are.


I think the sanctuary could use some tweaking, but all new things do - and I think my animal will be lonely for a long time while as I've managed only 5 pieces so far and they went to three different puzzles :)


But that's ok....it's a process. I don't mind. I appreciate the folks at hay day coming up with new things for us. I love the 320 basket tasks and I didn't like them at all at first. I hated Rose with a passion at first - but now I have found she is a gem when you're going to be working a lot or away from your farm longer than you'd like. There's always another way to look at things over time.


So here's to long achievements and slow progress....happy farming.

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Originally Posted by EllunaHellen

Exactly. Though I really hope the one in 250+ boats thing that currently seems to be happening is a bug of some kind :o. I haven't found any in chests yet, by the way.

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I hope it's a bug too! And yes, some hoodies in my hood have gotten puzzle from town treasures. So we know that's working ☺️

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Originally Posted by FruitDaddy

So row 3+6=puzzle and 4+7=permit in Derby prizes?

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Great. Yet ANOTHER thing us Solo players are missing out on (column 6 puzzle piece). Flipping fabulous.

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Originally Posted by Dove2017

I can understand why folks are upset, but did you think you'd have all the animals in a month? There are only 6 of them. They should take a while to get. And I like that I am actively working toward it - there are 2 pieces in my derby horseshoes and I worked for those....and I suspect puzzle pieces will be used strongly as incentives to complete special events or other things.


I haven't mastered many of my machines....it'll be ages before I master the feed mills or the lure and net makers! That's cool - some things should be hard.


The bird house....when I remember, we do crop requests, but I'm really in no hurry. It's just a part of the things we do. I'll probably get my 2 year statue before I get that little green gate.


Permit land - frustrating because holding land tools is tedious when you have no idea when the permits are coming. So I decided to dump all my lems until I was 1-2 permits away from the next plot. This has worked perfectly. It takes me about that long to assemble 30 each, and right around then I would get my last permits. I have 2 plots left to go, and I don't open locked red chests so it's my choice to go slower.


My friend cleared all of her land months ago and has 132/132 and mastered every machine - she complains constantly that she has nothing left to achieve! She's thrilled to be hunting puzzle pieces - as elusive as they are.


I think the sanctuary could use some tweaking, but all new things do - and I think my animal will be lonely for a long time while as I've managed only 5 pieces so far and they went to three different puzzles :)


But that's ok....it's a process. I don't mind. I appreciate the folks at hay day coming up with new things for us. I love the 320 basket tasks and I didn't like them at all at first. I hated Rose with a passion at first - but now I have found she is a gem when you're going to be working a lot or away from your farm longer than you'd like. There's always another way to look at things over time.


So here's to long achievements and slow progress....happy farming.

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Dove - no, I don't expect to get them all straight away, but we aren't getting any more on boats after the initial 2, I've not got a single piece through any other method in 3 days. There's an event on, I've completed that & not a single Permit or Puzzle Piece. I can't actually play in any way to up my chances of getting either. It's PASSIVE, not ACTIVE. Also, as a solo Derby player I'm being hit again as I'll only get one piece in the Derby despite doing 10x320 tasks.

I've Mastered everything. Mastering machines was great because you could work at it. Active play.

I've completed all the Achievements. I completed the Helpful Neighbour one by actively setting up a wheat trading partnership and we requested & donated twice a day, pretty much every day. Tedious, but it at least had an element of active play.


It's great that you are a very laid back Farmer :), but for many of us it's a Resource Management game & adding things in that you can't actively manage & just have to wait around for doesn't enhance our game any. Like your friend, we enjoy achieving things & want new things to achieve, we don't want to just wait around for things to happen. There's really no crime in playing to maximise our achievement & to want more to achieve afterwards.

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Originally Posted by SmallChange

Great. Yet ANOTHER thing us Solo players are missing out on (column 6 puzzle piece). Flipping fabulous.

Dove - no, I don't expect to get them all straight away, but we aren't getting any more on boats after the initial 2, I've not got a single piece through any other method in 3 days. There's an event on, I've completed that & not a single Permit or Puzzle Piece. I can't actually play in any way to up my chances of getting either. It's PASSIVE, not ACTIVE. Also, as a solo Derby player I'm being hit again as I'll only get one piece in the Derby despite doing 10x320 tasks.

I've Mastered everything. Mastering machines was great because you could work at it. Active play.

I've completed all the Achievements. I completed the Helpful Neighbour one by actively setting up a wheat trading partnership and we requested & donated twice a day, pretty much every day. Tedious, but it at least had an element of active play.

It's great that you are a very laid back Farmer :), but for many of us it's a Resource Management game & adding things in that you can't actively manage & just have to wait around for doesn't enhance our game any. Like your friend, we enjoy achieving things & want new things to achieve, we don't want to just wait around for things to happen. There's really no crime in playing to maximise our achievement & to want more to achieve afterwards.

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THIS ^^^ Yes, I enjoy the ACTIVE aspect of setting goals, working towards them, and finally achieving my goal.

I'm not fond of sitting around and waiting for a computer algorithm to decide its time for me to get a cookie.

You got a cookie? :mad:
I only got an axe.