This has been suggested 100000 times
Also, there is a whole forum where you can post these ideas
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This has been suggested 100000 times
Also, there is a whole forum where you can post these ideas
Hey guys,
I cant believe none of us had this idea before.
(Or i am complete idiot and this is already the way war matchmaking is)
Why not take defensive weight and offensive weight separately and match with a clan with similar defensive and offensive weight. And not adding it as total war weight.
This means that most likely an engineered clan with get matched with engineered clan. So there is no benefit of engineering!
Explained by BbaBaba (better then i ever could):
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Originally Posted by BbaBaba123
Why u hijacked my post😢Quote:
Originally Posted by sheedy17
And if this has been suggested before, it is perfectly good idea..i cant see any problem with it.
he did not, other threads here behaves somewhat like bugged. I wonder why. Look at other threads and you will see that the thread starter is not in #1Quote:
Originally Posted by divyam121
Under your proposed system, what type of player does an engineer with a single cannon and only one troop maxed out match against? This is an extreme example, but it'll be a super weak base. A base so weak that a camp full of max, say, PEKKAs would be able to steamroll 100% of the time
Just do it based on TH level. The end, problem solved.
There is no need for a solution since there is no problem.
There are just people angry because they want to win in war but they dont't want to make a war oriented village
A combination approach would be the best... to start off, a base should always at least weigh as much as the previous TH level maxed.Quote:
Originally Posted by QueenBeeq
After that if ya want to add either offense of defense stats whichever is greater is fine. However just pairing TH together makes it hard for non maxed TH to even participate.
So isnt it the fault of the owner for only focusing on 1 troop or defense?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiler
As long in war a bases
Def = Def
Off= Off
Its fair fight
It can reduce the win of those clans!! great
Not exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiler
Under a double weight system if it takes the offensive weight of a TH11 and the defensive weight it would match with with someone that has similar weight to yours.
A defenseless max offense 11 would get matched with a defenseless max offense 11, the matchups would take longer to find but for a far more balanced war it might be necessary. I wouldn't mind it.
They also can't be offensively engineered either because they would be a liability, being unable to attack and pulling equal weights yet.
There's a beautiful thread on this :).
You misunderstand. That's how they engineer. By only maxing out one troop, they're making their base appear weaker to match weaker opponents that they can easily overpower. I see this already happening now.Quote:
Originally Posted by divyam121
You say offense=offense for a fair fight. I say that L6 PEKKAs and L1 everything below her matches with something like L5 of most troops or weaker, like a TH8 might have. L6 PEKKAs are gonna easily destroy a TH8
EDIT: Unless we're talking about literally matching up offense and defense troop for troop rather than a weight system. There are merits to that, but also some pretty hefty search times, even for regular players.
Clan wars sub forum is full of ideas with some long lengthy posts as to why most ideas won't work.
Whilst there may be what some consider simple solutions - that is generally not always the case. Here is Darians reply on the subject:
Whilst I want to see the end to mismatches in war, I appreciate the fix is not quite as easy as first seems..Quote:
Originally Posted by Darian[Supercell]
problem solved? more like, problem added.Quote:
Originally Posted by QueenBeeq
There are many simple solutions to make sure that balanced clans are in favor of lob sided clans. What SC wants however is that any player can develop his base in any way shape or form without getting a disadvantage. That is were the challenge is. So SC wants a single total number for the strength of the clan and that should be matched with an other clan that has the same number plus or minus a small margin.
No no no...if its only th then it wud be new th10 with no infernos matching with max th10.Quote:
Originally Posted by QueenBeeq
Yes there is a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by d112
Everyone wants to win in war. Dont they?
And a person intentionally not upgrading few things to get matched with weaker bases is not fair.
It is as wrong as someone lightning your storages to get easy loot. ( this was a thing long time ago and supercell changed it)
And i guess you are one of people with engineered bases and you are worried you wont be able to win in a fair fight?
I have no intention to be rude.
If wars shud not be fair why is their even a war weight?
Let th1 against th11.
Some people might call engineering strategy.
Smarter ones call it a loophole in war system and people taking advantage of it
Wow. Thank..better explained then i ever couldQuote:
Originally Posted by BbaBaba123
Although in the case of OP's suggestion of keeping the 2 scores separate it was mostly discussion of why it is a good idea, and confusion over why SC seem to merge the 2 numbers into one - which is doomed to failure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tollboothwillie
PS - there were differing ideas about what happens next with the 2 numbers, but any of the suggestions would work better than combining them into 1
Cheating? Funny, I don't see anything in ToS that say you have to build your base a certain way? I'm not an engineer but referring to them as cheating is not true. It's a war/ base building game. Some have decided to build their base to get the best advantage in war. What's wrong with that?Quote:
Originally Posted by divyam121
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Originally Posted by Damiz
I see. But this solution is not limiting players to how they build their base!Quote:
Originally Posted by RazorBlade72nd
We are not forcing them to build or not build anything.
The people they would get matched against would be equal in strength .
This solution will not limit them.
Of course its wrong. You should get advantage when your attacking skills are better or you have good layout on your village in defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdome757
But getting advantage over another by playing with matchmaker... How anyone can even think its ok? Of course it should get fixed, but seems SC can't find solution.
There are several reasons why this is not the same. The most important reason is that people invested a lot of time money and energy in making an engineered clan, which is still very much within the rules of the game. Keep in mind that these people are in many cases paying customers of SC. So after years of developing this clan you would suddenly say to these people, Sorry mate, your clan is from now on completely useless in war.Quote:
Originally Posted by divyam121
You could compare this to an other sport where you see the same thing and that is Formula 1. Teams invest many millions of dollars to make a faster car then their opponents and then suddenly somebody said, "hey, that is unfair, from now on you will all drive with the same car". How do you think that the topteams would react knowing that the money they invested in this sport is just wasted?
Cheating does not always mean against the law.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdome757
If there is a loophole in the law and you find it and you use it. You wont be arrested but in publics eyes you still would be criminal.
And that advantage you refer is the cheating. Getting yourself an advantage over other players while the war matchmaking is supposed to match equal lvls.
Edit: not calling them cheaters anymorethralling them : 'people with unfair advantage taking full advantage of flaws in matchmaking system'
I think this idea can work great with SuperCell'so special touch. People will stop engineering after this as they don't have any advantage as both will be engineered. X.5 bases will also not have advantages, And in my opinion there should be restrictions upgrading the th until they are at least half maxed.
"Wrong" is what SC determines it be when it comes to their game. How long has engineering been going on? And SC hasn't done away with it yet? Doesn't seem wrong to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaagelus
It is not a loophole it is a feature that is promoted by SC. You can make and upgrade your base any way want to. Making a faster Formula 1 car is not a loophole either. It is a way to win races.Quote:
Originally Posted by divyam121
I bet you never played a MMORPG.Quote:
Originally Posted by divyam121
Pvp is not ONLY about how fast you are in clicking keys. If you take two player of the same level, the first with a PVM build and the second with a PVP build, the first one have basically no chance.
And that's how theese kind of games are intended to be, there is no problem to fix but the attitude of some players
The generalisation of engineers spending more money than others is simply not true. Some may spend a lot, while others are more likely to use botting software to farm their accounts, which is cheating, and doesn't cost any gems at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by RazorBlade72nd
To summarise, you cant generalise about money spent.
You are correct in stating that engineering is within the rules however, it is not cheating!:)
Can you tell how its a feature and how its prmoted by Supercell when they themselves have told us they are trying to find a good solution against itQuote:
Originally Posted by RazorBlade72nd
Cheating in this game is what SC defines it to be. Calling engineers cheaters is considered toxic behavior on these forums. They aren't using mods and are playing within the ToS. No cheating.Quote:
Originally Posted by divyam121
And implying that engineers bot more than maxers is also not provable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skrags
They havent done anything because they havent found a good soultion yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdome757
If they havent done anything doesnt mean its ok to do so.
Nowhere did I say that they spent MORE money time or energy then other players. I am just saying that they did in many cases spend time money and energy in building their base. How would you feel if you worked hard to make a base like that and suddenly somebody decide years later that from now on your base is useless?Quote:
Originally Posted by Skrags
Agree engineering isn't cheating. If you'd really think it all needs to be equal then clan wars shouldn't even be your bases--it should just all be generic bases of the same levels of defenses and troops. But it doesn't seem anyone on the anti-engineering side wants that either. They just want it to tilt the way they have decided to build their bases.
And no, I don't have a defenseless town hall 11 account.
I am not being toxic. I ensure you that i am calling them cheaters in most polite way possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdome757
Thank you for your concern
Edit: not calling them cheaters anymore.
Calling them: 'people with unfair advantage taking full advantage of flaws in matchmaking system'
Are players being banned for engineering ? No. Once again, SC has done nothing to get rid of engineering. It's ok to do so as long as SC allows it. I personally would love to see engineering disappear from the game forever but I know it won't happen with a "simple solution to engineering." My issue is with you referring to them as cheaters. Cheating involves breaking rules. What rules have engineers broken?Quote:
Originally Posted by divyam121
By the way this game is designed. It would be very easy for SC to make the upgrade path fixed. They decided that you can upgrade the way you want to. It is not as if this is a hidden feature.Quote:
Originally Posted by divyam121
Or maybe it means they think the game is ok as it isQuote:
Originally Posted by divyam121
I think if they want to eliminate engineering they don't need years to do it, but they can do it in one day
OKAY THEN!
Will not call them cheaters.
Will call them 'people with unfair advantage taking full advantage of flaws in matchmaking system'
Unless someone else can suggest a shorter name.
Thanks
Why not call them "people smart enough to understand how you can win in this game" :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by divyam121
I don't think it is bad to do a engineered base. It takes a lot of time to do a engineered base.U try to max out almost every troop and your village is destroyed in minutes after u leave the game and go offline.Whereas in maxed out bases that is not the case.I am talking about medium league players.
Engineered base is not a cheat or hack. It's just a stratergy by other players.If a players stratergy is better then you why do u call him cheating? if its was easy everyone would have done a engineered base.
If u face a rushed out base in clan war why don't u call it cheating? because it is good for ur clan?
Let me assure you. It's rude and it's wrong. If your aim is to insult other players for how they choose to play the game within the rules, there's not much point in having any discussion at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by divyam121
I think "people smart enough to exploit the matchmaking system to win in this game" is closer to accurate. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by RazorBlade72nd
In many cases you will notice that the people who complain about engineers the most are rushers. They have the most disadvantage against engineers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lausaj
I still would not call it exploiting. Is a Formula 1 team exploiting the rules of the game when they build a faster Formula 1 car?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthPat
I agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by RazorBlade72nd
They do not want to do any hard work by engineering or maxing out what they want is just to complaint.
Though I hope they pull it off, just don't see how any tweak to the algorithm will ever make everyone happy. Do find it odd that in a game that repeatedly touts defense being just as important as offense, that the advantage is always skewed in favor of those with the most offense. As long as we attack twice and defend once, is hopeless, just too many possible variations to account for.
I had no intention of being rude. Also my thread was to provide a solution untill some really polite people tunred it into warzone.Quote:
Originally Posted by SharkyFinn
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Originally Posted by RazorBlade72nd
Recently, 3 times in a row my clan has been matched against engineers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lausaj
Though the high players uace easily 3 started the top guysm lower th lvls have suffered greatly by only 1 starring. It is not fun to lose wars to engineers.
We would accept defeat from a good clan but this seems unacceptable.
What's to stop me from bringing ONLY maxed account to war? I still have an advantage unless the opposing clan does the same. And since most clans are not 1 person with 25 accounts, they are more likely to want to war without a 100% 'maxed for TH level' account.Quote:
Originally Posted by QueenBeeq
Accept defeat from good clan??Quote:
Originally Posted by divyam121
What do u mean by good clan.Engineered bases have high lvl troops and low defence.If you mean maxed out bases are good clan.
Let's look at the facts
The maximum number of builde huts available are 5 and research building is 1
That means u can upgrade to various defences at one time but u can't do that from research building.
If you look at the time taken for upgrading the troop it is not less.
What i want to say is both maxed out and engineered have to work hard for their base with a lot of patience.It's just one of their playing style.
You are ready to accept defeat from a maxed out clan but not from an engineered clan because u think doing an engineered base is easy,While both of them worked hard doing the same thing.Because u can not see their hardwork you can not say they are playing in the wrong style or cheating.