Another Engineering Thread with Solution

Our clan just started a 30v30 war where we have a single TH11 and we matched 14 TH11s. Yes, they can attack all but 2 of our bases with TH11s.

Supercell has said, "Dealing with engineering is hard. We are working on it." But I've got to ask, don't you think war outcome should be determined based on skill? Clan wars shouldn't be a pre-war arms race to see who can put the most engineered bases in the lineup.

I'm all for letting people build their bases however they want. Making people max out before upgrading is not the solution. But the problem is that with engineering, war matchups just aren't fair. How do you make it fair? Here is my proposal:

The war matchmaking algorithm should calculate a projected final star outcome for each side. Pair the top offensive war weight against the top defensive war weight and pull data from the database about what the expected result of an attack is. In statistical terms, you could use the average, the mean, the 75th percentile or however you want to do it. Using this, it'd come up with some sort of expected star number for an attack (like 2.3 stars for example).

With 2 attacks per person, you could repeat with the top offensive war weight vs. the second defensive war weight. Or you could just go 2nd best offense vs. the 2nd best defense. Or use some mix in between. However you choose to do it, it would be fairer than it is now. Add the expected stars from each attack and come up with a total for each side.

Given our current example of war with 1 TH11 vs. 14, once the algorithm starts calculating their #4 offensive weight vs. our #4 defensive weight on down, the expected result is going to be 3.0 stars or really close.

Add up all the numbers and compare to see if you have a war match that makes sense. In our current war, the expected stars on their side should be somewhere around 89 - they are likely to 2-star our 11 and 3-star all of our 10s down. Our expected stars might be around 80 based on average attacks of these war weights in Supercell's database. 89 compared to 80 = no way these clans should've ever been a match.

On the flip side, using my proposed algorithm, this clan would never match up with 14 full TH11-defense bases either. They'd get fair matchups as well.

I think of this as the Accuscore method of war matchmaking. Similar to how you can find expected results on many sporting events ahead of time.

Hope someone at Supercell sees this. This is the worst matchup we've gotten, but we regularly get other engineered matchups where we are at a crazy disadvantage like this. It's deflating to your clan morale.

Thank you for moving to feature requests.

Yeah, as expected they currently have 88 stars with 16 attacks left to go. Shame on them for missing on our 2nd highest TH10 5 times with TH11 dips, I guess. :rolleyes: Boy, can our clan take pride in that.

As you said there are 14 th 11's but all the 14 th 11's can be taken down because they are engineered. Even you have the chance of winning. Excluding 1 because you also have 1 th11 max.

They missed your th10 5 times with th11?
So it is clear that they are not fully engineered.They engineered only some troops or they are really bad at attacking.

Though they have 14 th11's i think u too have a very good chance of winning

Are you dealing with base engineering or roster engineering? It sounds like roster engineering

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Originally Posted by Lausaj

As you said there are 14 th 11's but all the 14 th 11's can be taken down because they are engineered. Even you have the chance of winning. Excluding 1 because you also have 1 th11 max.

They missed your th10 5 times with th11?
So it is clear that they are not fully engineered.They engineered only some troops or they are really bad at attacking.
Though they have 14 th11's i think u too have a very good chance of winning

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Are you serious? You think there is any reasonable scenario where 14 TH11s vs 1 TH11 gives our clan a good chance of winning?

Yes, they do only have 5 bases with infernos where we have 6 bases with infernos. They've been able to throw 17 attacks at these bases - 3-starring 4 of them and 2-starring the other 2.

With only one TH11, most of us don't get to use the Grand Warden and max miners, max Bowler+Witch or any of these other spammy strategies that have given them easy 3-star against our TH10s. It's much harder to run a TH10 vs 10.5 attack than an 11 offense vs. TH10. And they have all the extra chances when they miss.

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Originally Posted by Tiler

Are you dealing with base engineering or roster engineering? It sounds like roster engineering

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I'm not sure I know the difference. They have engineered bases in the fact that they have TH11 max offense and varying lower levels of defense. The have some TH3s at the bottom of the war line-up as well.

I mean, I get what's going on and it happens to us routinely. They are taking advantage of the matchmaking algorithm to get super easy war wins. I'd like to see the changes I proposed in my initial post implemented to provide wars that are based on skill and not determined by who can game the system to bring in as many high offense/low defense bases as possible.

that makes sense

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Originally Posted by MazerFromAbove

It's much harder to run a TH10 vs 10.5 attack than an 11 offense vs. TH10. And they have all the extra chances when they miss.

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That's their stratergy ,they gave up farming for war base.

Engineered bases are part of the game and not so easy to do. Engineered bases are equally difficult to construct like maxed out bases.

Haven't u ever been matched up with rushed out bases? Was that fair enough then?You are saying it is not fair because they have a different style of playing the game?

Some times it is tough sometimes it is easy, it is never the same.If u faced continuously maxed out bases wouldn't u be bored?

In the normal search don't u find higher th battles?Is that not fair too?
Thats how a game works.

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Originally Posted by Lausaj

That's their stratergy ,they gave up farming for war base.

Engineered bases are part of the game and not so easy to do. Engineered bases are equally difficult to construct like maxed out bases.

Haven't u ever been matched up with rushed out bases? Was that fair enough then?You are saying it is not fair because they have a different style of playing the game?

Some times it is tough sometimes it is easy, it is never the same.If u faced continuously maxed out bases wouldn't u be bored?

In the normal search don't u find higher th battles?Is that not fair too?
Thats how a game works.

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Why not fix it to give fair war match ups? Why not have it close to a skill vs. skill determines the outcome of the war?

Your arguments are very strawman to me. I'm asking for fair matchups. The points you make don't even reference this:
You say it's hard to make an engineered base, we've had wars that were unfair on our side, etc, etc. And then, finish with "That's how the game works." Well, it doesn't have to work that way if they fix the matchmaking algorithm.