Upgraded Wall Placement

Our clan has our own forums and website that we like to post on to get a more personal opinion from our other clannies that we've grown to know and trust. We require a TH8 in our parent clan which is why I am assuming level 5 wall breakers but this isn't specific to just them. I wanted to share this publicly to get some outside opinions on this subject.

The purpose of this post is to create an open discussion about a hotly debated topic: Where to put your most upgraded walls, the inside or the outside? To alleviate some variables, I am going to assume level 5 Wall Breakers throughout most of my opinions. I'm also going to assume that the base's walls are split fairly even between one level and the next. Half gold and half pink would be ideal but I'll try to be more general than that. I also think its pretty safe to assume your attacker is using wbs.

We should all be able to agree that the first layer of walls are the easiest to get through during an attack. Whether it takes two wbs to get through that wall or just one, with a little bit of cover, it can be done relatively easy. The second layer of walls can be reached as well with wbs but as you know, it becomes just a bit trickier. The AI takes them to the nearest closed cell so sometimes when trying to reach that second layer of walls they end up opening another first layer section first but sometimes that's not too bad either cause usually on the next try you'll often get that second layer after you've deployed some more cover at this point. Now is when it becomes more complicated because if there is a third layer of walls keeping you from what it is that you seek, it's probably going to take more wbs than you have as they will continue to target closer closed cells in the first and second layers before considering diving into the third layer. So the third layer as well as some of the second layer in this scenario will have to be broken down by troops and this is where your defense can really shine.

Regardless of which level (not layer) of walls they got through to get there, they are now inside your base, smack dab (1st use) in the middle of what is likely the most defensively congested and most dangerous spot in your layout. Some of your defensive buildings may cover parts of the outside but they All cover parts of the inside. This is where you want their troops to get stuck and the higher level of walls you have on the inside, the longer they will be standing still taking the brunt of what defenses you have left. Whether your outside walls are pink crystal or black skulls, two wbs are going to open it right up. Its when wbs are not used when you really benefit from the difference in hitpoints between the wall levels.
Since your inside walls are the most wall breaker resistant due to the logistics, it is there you should have your highest level walls placed. If the lower level walls are in the inside, once the troops are in they'll have free reign over the place, destroying the inside and your most effective weapons faster.

Do you have reasons the higher level walls should go on the outside? tell us about it....

Do you agree with what I've said so far? I've left out a lot so please feel free to add to it!

I also think that the higher level walls should be used for the base interior for the reasons you state.

How about a mix of the two ? High level walls in junctions. Like this :

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GGPPPPPGG
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G = Gold Wall
P = Pink Wall

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Originally Posted by KlarkSmith

How about a mix of the two ? High level walls in junctions. Like this :

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GGPPPPPGG
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G = Gold Wall
P = Pink Wall

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While I'm not completely sure I'm following the order here, I'm going to assume a somewhat random pattern. If a level 5 wall breaker runs up to a pink wall that is connected to a gold wall, while the pink wall will stay intact(barely), the gold wall next to it will open up. Same effect with double deep walls, which are why they are useless when used on the outside with wbs. I hope I didn't miss your point.

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Originally Posted by TheVictors

While I'm not completely sure I'm following the order here, I'm going to assume a somewhat random pattern. If a level 5 wall breaker runs up to a pink wall that is connected to a gold wall, while the pink wall will stay intact(barely), the gold wall next to it will open up. Same effect with double deep walls, which are why they are useless when used on the outside with wbs. I hope I didn't miss your point.

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But one WB will never open two compartment at once. And troops inside usually go for corner.

Why would u assume lvl 5 wall breakers against gold walls? Perhaps do u have buttery gold walls currently?

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Originally Posted by Kansas

Why would u assume lvl 5 wall breakers against gold walls? Perhaps do u have buttery gold walls currently?

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I used the gold/purple scenario because that's the level that determines how many level 5 wall breakers will be needed to get in. It changes from one to two wbs when going from gold to pink.

I'm still working on skull walls btw, you're welcome to check me out. My clan is Adult Donaters. (misspelled for search purposes)

I generally agree on upgraded walls in the interior. However, I do prioritize intersections (from the inside out) when starting the upgrade to a new level of wall. For instance, when I had all gold walls, the first wall segments that were upgraded to pink were the 4 corners of my central vault. Then the next layer of intersections, then the outer layer of intersections.

Only once all intersections were upgraded to pink did I begin upgrading the other wall segments in the central vault.

Troops tend to attack intersections so I want to make that as hard as possible as quickly as possible.

Well, I planed to make an Infographic or something alike about this topic, but you guys can get a little preview.

It all depends on your trophy range, on your wall level and your townhall level.
To make this stuff a bit easier I'm will take a Th7 as an example:
As a Townhall 7 your walls can go up to level 7 and you will be at the "standard" farming most likely between 1000 and 1600 throphies. You and other townhall sevens are not alone at this range, townhall eights and some townhall nines. That means that the maximal level of the possible Wallbreakers will be level 5.

These guys are pretty strong and can kill walls up to level 5 in one blow. For your higher levels they will need two wallbreakers.

Now, if you're uprading your walls from 4 to 5, it doesn't really matter but you should start in the middle, why? Because on the outer side they will need just one breaker, no matter what (unless it's lower of course, but we're always asuming the enemy is at his strongest), BUT once they get in normally only their other troops will damage the walls, so in the middle it's important to have as much life as possible.

If you're upgrading from 5 to 6 you should start outside, because the number of Wallbreakers will rise, he has to use to braeak your first layer. So it will be harder overall to attack you.

tl;dr - If the number of WB rises --> Outside
If the number of WB stays --> Middle

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Originally Posted by OjesYobe

I generally agree on upgraded walls in the interior. However, I do prioritize intersections (from the inside out) when starting the upgrade to a new level of wall. For instance, when I had all gold walls, the first wall segments that were upgraded to pink were the 4 corners of my central vault. Then the next layer of intersections, then the outer layer of intersections.

Only once all intersections were upgraded to pink did I begin upgrading the other wall segments in the central vault.

Troops tend to attack intersections so I want to make that as hard as possible as quickly as possible.

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I still do something similar to this when I'm just starting a new wall level. Once I have approached somewhere close to half upgraded they will be all shifted inside.

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Originally Posted by Pixova

Now, if you're uprading your walls from 4 to 5, it doesn't really matter but you should start in the middle, why?
If the number of WB stays --> Middle

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It absolutely does matter, just not to the wall breaker. It matters to the rest of the troops. If you're breaking the outer wall with a wb anyway, of course you're going to benefit from the higher hitpoints at the next wall that the troops are forced to break down by hand?
The point of the post wasn't where to start the wall upgrades but what to do with them once you're around halfway through an upgrade. If the upgraded half of your walls are on the interior, they will cover all of the inside and most (if not all) of the middle layer as well. The other half will make up your perimeter. So we may be agreeing there but you lost me on your last sentence.
Once again, the outer walls are the easiest to access and easiest to breach because of the wall breakers they're using. The more you can slow the attacking troops down, the more damage you'll inflict. Making their troops tear down your strongest walls by hand buys you the most time, while at the same time keeps them in a more dangerous area (2nd layer instead of 1st), when the upgraded walls are inside. Your last sentence doesn't seem to support your previous argument.

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Originally Posted by TheVictors

Where to put your most upgraded walls, the inside or the outside?
Half gold and half pink would be ideal but I'll try to be more general than that.

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Check this thread: http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ol-2-periphery
Should you place robust walls inside or outside? The short answer is: place your walls where you want people to attack them.

And pink vs gold? I'm not sure it's a joke, so just in case: try to get all pink. Wb lvl 5 one-shoots walls lvl 5.
Not much difference between lvl 7 and 8 though.
I also see lots of people doing their funnel walls to lvl 9 rather than doing their critical walls to lvl 10. Oh well...

lets see about lvl 8 and 9 walls. ok? (in lvl 8 walls 2 wall breakers, 3 on lvl 9 walls.)
lets say we have 12 wall breakers lvl 5.
if you putt the lvl 9 walls outside, the number of wall breakers needed to break will be higher, then your troops will have to open more compartments by themself.
so i think its about who you ask..
i preffer the strongest walls on the inside also but you know..
sorry about my bad english :)

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Originally Posted by gentimouton

And pink vs gold? I'm not sure it's a joke, so just in case: try to get all pink.

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yeah, I didn't mean that once you have half level 5 walls and half level 6 that your walls are now ideal. For my clan it seemed to be the most common combination but more importantly I used that combo because it changes the number of level 5 wall breakers needed to get through and often changes other people's opinion of where to place the upgraded wall but my point is that it shouldn't matter which two levels the walls are, the strongest goes on the inside.

How about TH6s with lvl3wb attack TH7s with pinks outside and golds inside ? If we assumes that inside the pinks is the regular def and mine-collectors without layers between the building, so i think the TH6s can 100% the base just with 3wbs with some cover ( Let the barbs as distractor in first pink layer and drop 2 wbs, drop some distractor ( can be giants ) inside and drop another wbs in the same location as the wbs before and finish the base )

So, the amount of wbs we need we can conclude by the layers between building is solid or not, etc. ( it will be necessary to think about ) also make your traps being useful ( i currently use funnelling and thats mostly made me heroic def in war clan or put the traps in what you think attackers wbs will spawn after the distractor

Im sorry if my spelling is bad. Any criticize or feedback will be apreciated. Thanks ^^

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Originally Posted by Icefr

How about TH6s with lvl3wb attack TH7s with pinks outside and golds inside ? If we assumes that inside the pinks is the regular def and mine-collectors without layers between the building, so i think the TH6s can 100% the base just with 3wbs with some cover ( Let the barbs as distractor in first pink layer and drop 2 wbs, drop some distractor ( can be giants ) inside and drop another wbs in the same location as the wbs before and finish the base )

So, the amount of wbs we need we can conclude by the layers between building is solid or not, etc. ( it will be necessary to think about ) also make your traps being useful ( i currently use funnelling and thats mostly made me heroic def in war clan or put the traps in what you think attackers wbs will spawn after the distractor

Im sorry if my spelling is bad. Any criticize or feedback will be apreciated. Thanks ^^

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Thanks alot for the that detailed explanation

#NecromancerAlert

I would upgrade the interior central vault first and then pick individual ''Boxes'' to upgrade. A box would be all the walls around a couple buildings that form an enclosed area.

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Originally Posted by Tilly18

I would upgrade the interior central vault first and then pick individual ''Boxes'' to upgrade. A box would be all the walls around a couple buildings that form an enclosed area.

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Please note this is a necromancers thread