Can we get another dairy and sugar mill. PLEASE?

Personally, I think an extra dairy and sugar mill would be a bad idea. I design games, and taking the challenge out of a game usually has the opposite of the intended effect (less fun).

I find the lack of dairy in the game one of the most challenging aspects of it. I'm pretty sure I'd enjoy the game less with a second dairy and sugar mill. Of course, if they were there, I'd obviously buy them and use both 24/7 instantly.

At most, the 'speeding up' idea sounds good. That way you don't have duplicate production buildings, and people can get that little bit of extra cream or whatever to keep the new buildings running.

I almost never use my coffee kiosk, soup kitchen, or anything else which uselessly wastes sugar and dairy. I also tend to ignore almost all jam, sugar, and dairy boats except to help friends. That said, I know the majority of players do boats and would disagree with my strategy. It's just what I do to overcome the challenge of a lack of dairy right now.

Would happily pay a million quid for a new dairy mill!

Just one extra slot on the dairy machine and sugar mill would make my day-- would even make my year haha :p

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Originally Posted by Tiggerr129

I can see you now also. So cute and tiny and full of trees. Finally someone is lower than my lazy son! He's a great kid, a good historian but a lousy farmer!

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I plan on leaving many of the trees this time, not because I regret cutting them down on the big farm but because I won't be decorating this one like I did the big one (ponds, benches, that sort of thing). So my baby farm will have a much more "natural" look to it. And I'll have more saws, axes, dynamite and TNT for the big one, too. :)

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Originally Posted by dmofalterak

Personally, I think an extra dairy and sugar mill would be a bad idea. I design games, and taking the challenge out of a game usually has the opposite of the intended effect (less fun).

I find the lack of dairy in the game one of the most challenging aspects of it. I'm pretty sure I'd enjoy the game less with a second dairy and sugar mill. Of course, if they were there, I'd obviously buy them and use both 24/7 instantly.

At most, the 'speeding up' idea sounds good. That way you don't have duplicate production buildings, and people can get that little bit of extra cream or whatever to keep the new buildings running.

I almost never use my coffee kiosk, soup kitchen, or anything else which uselessly wastes sugar and dairy. I also tend to ignore almost all jam, sugar, and dairy boats except to help friends. That said, I know the majority of players do boats and would disagree with my strategy. It's just what I do to overcome the challenge of a lack of dairy right now.

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I see your logic but I have to ask - are you at the level where you can and did open your town? Because the town is what put the dairy/sugar mill issue into maximum overdrive (GREAT movie, by the way). Those who felt as you do about the coffee kiosk, soup kitchen and the other machines before the town are now using those machines 24/7 because the town folk request those items constantly. I never kept many coffee drinks, pizzas and candies on hand back then but I have to now if I want to play with the town. So yes, before the town, the dairy/sugar issues were challenging but in a fun way. Now it's just pure frustration, which is the bad kind of challenge, the kind that borders on discouragement. And with discouragement comes disillusionment about how fun a game is when you're treading water as fast as you can but still on the verge of drowning. (Sorry for the drama, it just happened somehow. :) ) And I agree with a second dairy maybe not being the answer, but multiple harvests would certainly ease the pressure. I'm not saying to suddenly have a way that nobody ever worries about dairy products ever, just ease the pressure a little. I think that's all that anybody is asking. Well, speaking for myself at least who stopped selling in the RSS because I couldn't keep up.

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Originally Posted by Shealie54

I see your logic but I have to ask - are you at the level where you can and did open your town? Because the town is what put the dairy/sugar mill issue into maximum overdrive (GREAT movie, by the way). Those who felt as you do about the coffee kiosk, soup kitchen and the other machines before the town are now using those machines 24/7 because the town folk request those items constantly. I never kept many coffee drinks, pizzas and candies on hand back then but I have to now if I want to play with the town. So yes, before the town, the dairy/sugar issues were challenging but in a fun way. Now it's just pure frustration, which is the bad kind of challenge, the kind that borders on discouragement. And with discouragement comes disillusionment about how fun a game is when you're treading water as fast as you can but still on the verge of drowning. (Sorry for the drama, it just happened somehow. :) ) And I agree with a second dairy maybe not being the answer, but multiple harvests would certainly ease the pressure. I'm not saying to suddenly have a way that nobody ever worries about dairy products ever, just ease the pressure a little. I think that's all that anybody is asking. Well, speaking for myself at least who stopped selling in the RSS because I couldn't keep up.

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I totally agree. Once it was funny and challenging, now it's frustrating. No matter how much sugar (or cheese) you have in the queue, it will be never enough.
In my opinion, one more dairy and one more mill are compulsory at this point.
Reducing production time will not work, for me. Most people cannot be always there to fill the queue.

PLease SC, give us this summer gift.. :o

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Originally Posted by Lovecats

I totally agree. Once it was funny and challenging, now it's frustrating. No matter how much sugar (or cheese) you have in the queue, it will be never enough.
In my opinion, one more dairy and one more mill are compulsory at this point.
Reducing production time will not work, for me. Most people cannot be always there to fill the queue.

PLease SC, give us this summer gift.. :o

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Ur post made me laugh, because it's so true, at one point, it was funny a little, now not so much. I've gotta think that somewhere in their design plan HD was planning to add multiple quantities of machines, or at least kept that option open ended because, when you purchase a machine, the ratio shown is 1/1, and of course if you don't have that machine, it's 0/1. Why not just grey out purchased machines, and highlight available ones with no ratios if we were just intended to have one of each? Maybe it's wishful thinking on my part, but seems like it is a possibility that they would up the quantity, hence 1/3, 2/3 for the future etc... Just like the pets and animals.


I also think that a major component in this issue and others that farmers bring up, stems from the fact that HD is still quite young as a game, I believe only about 2 years old. And so with additions like this (I.e. Multiple machines), HD might not have perceived such a rapid growth of their game, and now with its success, they've gotta think of the longevity of the game. Maybe they were thinking another year or two before they start introducing multiples, but now because of the way it's consumers play their game, they might have to rethink that sooner than anticipated.

Who knows, this is just my theory...but with the success of this game thus far, I'm sure they are thinking past the next 2-3 years, even 5 years and possibly, that heavily influences what they implement now more than ever, moving forward (just take a look at the last few updates we've had....quite a different approach from the earlier more primitive updates). One update which fits into this example would be the land expansion we got a while back. I'm not complaining and was quite happy with the extra space, but I did notice how rather small of an addition it was, compared to what we already had. And of course it makes sense to give us something we want, in this case land, in small quantities so they always have something to expand upon/ improve upon...thus extending the life of the game.

Even with this dairy issue, I'm sure when the majority or average farmer is around levels such as 170 and up, or even 200 and up, if it's something they've already improved upon, it might have to be revisited at that point. Anyways, just theories from a HD addict lol...first step is admitting the problem right :confused:lol?

Either way, it will be very interesting to see how they handle this game for the next few years and what kind of adventures they take us HD farmers on. I for one, have gotten my seatbelt buckled and ready to go;):o.

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Originally Posted by Shealie54

I plan on leaving many of the trees this time, not because I regret cutting them down on the big farm but because I won't be decorating this one like I did the big one (ponds, benches, that sort of thing). So my baby farm will have a much more "natural" look to it. And I'll have more saws, axes, dynamite and TNT for the big one, too. :)



I see your logic but I have to ask - are you at the level where you can and did open your town? Because the town is what put the dairy/sugar mill issue into maximum overdrive (GREAT movie, by the way). Those who felt as you do about the coffee kiosk, soup kitchen and the other machines before the town are now using those machines 24/7 because the town folk request those items constantly. I never kept many coffee drinks, pizzas and candies on hand back then but I have to now if I want to play with the town. So yes, before the town, the dairy/sugar issues were challenging but in a fun way. Now it's just pure frustration, which is the bad kind of challenge, the kind that borders on discouragement. And with discouragement comes disillusionment about how fun a game is when you're treading water as fast as you can but still on the verge of drowning. (Sorry for the drama, it just happened somehow. :) ) And I agree with a second dairy maybe not being the answer, but multiple harvests would certainly ease the pressure. I'm not saying to suddenly have a way that nobody ever worries about dairy products ever, just ease the pressure a little. I think that's all that anybody is asking. Well, speaking for myself at least who stopped selling in the RSS because I couldn't keep up.

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Yes, I'm currently level 52 and have opened all stores, buildings, and areas available to me with a ton of coins to spare for the future. This definitely includes the town which I run 24/7 and keep expanding.

I fill nearly all town orders for coffee products (and just about anything else which isn't ridiculous like jam or plain cheese). I still barely ever use my coffee kiosk or soup kitchen. However, it pans out, I usually have a surplus of cream and other dairy products. This is only because of my play style and planning. All of my neighbors never have enough of these products and I find myself constantly helping them out with these things.

The town hasn't really affected my game play a whole lot. My number one priority has been, and will always be, to help out other Hay Day players including neighbors, friends, and total strangers. I always fill my shop with premium items, rare items, and tend to respond to a lot of help requests in my neighborhood. This is the main reason dairy is rare for me. I manage it fine by myself, but I simply can't handle 29 other players who all constantly need infinite amounts of dairy because of how they play the game. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just explaining where my own lack of dairy comes from.

Personally, I don't usually fill 90% of boat and truck orders and I'll boot any town customer out if they ask for raw dairy or certain premium items. Yes, it's a ton of coin and xp for me, but that's not my focus in the game. I'd rather give those premium items to other players who can use them (probably in their towns, ha ha).

I almost always have a surplus of everything. The only time I run behind is when helping out a friend with a huge quantity of high ticket items.

I do agree that most players try to fill a ton of orders (of all kinds) and if I were attempt to do the same, I'm sure I would never have enough of anything, and not nearly enough dairy.

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Originally Posted by Tiggerr129

Let me tell you what I have been doing lately and it is only a stopgap measure, I'll agree. It kinda happened by accident since I am trying to get other things done instead of all hay day all the time. Anyway, every couple hours, I'll open the game, and just work my cows, pets, chickens feed mills and dairy (sometimes sugar) plus I am stacking outside the machine so when I think about doing something else, it looks like I don't have the sugar or dairy to make those cakes etc. I found I was having to sell things I really didn't want to sell to make space in the barn and cakes were highest in my barn.

Anyway this is helping with my supply levels for the town. It is hard to stop running those machines. While I don't really think we need a second dairy, you won't find me passing on it if they introduce one.

And I know what you are gonna say. "Well she has two farms." But both my farms are working farms. Not minis or feeders. As a matter of fact I end up having to prop up my old farm more than the other way around. I play it less because it is so slow and lagging. Katie usually has it for her word games. But it is run the same way as any other farm. I trade between the two no more often than some of you all trade with each other.

Keep in mind though that if they do decide we need an extra dairy, that they might also tweak some other aspect in the game to make up for it. It would be nice to think that they might need to tweak the dairy etc, because of the town, but I suspect, they would tweak something else also that we might not like as well.

Just my random thoughts

Tigg

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I fully agree with Tigger, on the extra machines. No, thanks, when I first started the game I was totally unsure about everything where as now, I changed my mind, I wish not to have another machine because the diaries are too big and they clog space on the farm land. If the staff introduce one, you have my second bet I'd never buy one just the one that I own on the game.

I had opened up a 4th slot on dairy production line. I gotta save up the gems for 12 cos I spent some to get some more room on the other machines. :D

I don't mind the challenge if keeping up on the dairy items, although if the feta cheese took a little less time, I wouldn't have to beg it off friends because the town visitors seem to scarf down the feta salads and I can't make enough for them. The on,y thing I'd really like a change to is the candy maker times. Getting tired of hiring Tom because I can't keep up with the towns people and their sweets tooth. Tooths.. Sweet teeth?

With the town now in full swing, I NEVER have enough dairy and sugar items. They are running full time and I am always waiting on something to finish up.

We definitely need another sugar machine and dairy barn.

It is getting extremely frustrating now trying to supply the town, not to mention helping others with boats...