Rushing your TH9, I'm bored

hey guys,

i've been playing this game for a long time now and i'm a pretty decent player, i follow almost every thread and everyone sais don't rush to TH 9, now i got a few few questions for you guys which alot of people on this forum with TH8
have to, bu first i want to share some CoC stats about myself so you know where i make my decisions on:
i'm a level 63 player named pipa, i have TH8 and all my defences except for mortars(maxed) are one step from maxed so i got all level 9 canons for instance, my walls are half 7 and half 6 and my troops are level 5 till balloons(I also have a BK lvl1).now my big big question is can i go to TH9 followed by several things, I almost raid TH8 and TH9 one out of ten raids is a TH7 so this wouldn't mather with the looting penalty much, my other reason is that it's getting pretty boring staying at TH8 and i want some new defences, so i want to know is it worth it?????

(just want to tell you I never spend and will never spend money on this game and only save my gems for builders)
Thanks for reading

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Originally Posted by jasper

hey guys,

i've been playing this game for a long time now and i'm a pretty decent player, i follow almost every thread and everyone sais don't rush to TH 9, now i got a few few questions for you guys which alot of people on this forum with TH8
have to, bu first i want to share some CoC stats about myself so you know where i make my decisions on:
i'm a level 63 player named pipa, i have TH8 and all my defences except for mortars(maxed) are one step from maxed so i got all level 9 canons for instance, my walls are half 7 and half 6 and my troops are level 5 till balloons(I also have a BK lvl1).now my big big question is can i go to TH9 followed by several things, I almost raid TH8 and TH9 one out of ten raids is a TH7 so this wouldn't mather with the looting penalty much, my other reason is that it's getting pretty boring staying at TH8 and i want some new defences, so i want to know is it worth it?????

(just want to tell you I never spend and will never spend money on this game and only save my gems for builders)
Thanks for reading

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You are no where close to upgrading your TH. I am about a month ahead of you and im still on TH8. Ill be here for another month before going to TH9. Unless you have maxed your barracks/pumps/mines/etc.

I would always wait till you have maxxed everything you can. Not only do TH 9 players have to contend with the lott penalty against TH 7, but they added a loot BONUS when a TH 7 attacks a TH 9 (125% of normal loot is available to them). Its always best to wait as long as you can. (FYI, I am in a very similar situation. I am staying TH 8 until I even max my walls)

hey guys thanks for responding but don't you think this is boring to wait so long to just have everything maxed,
I would like to hear an opinion from a TH9 and actually want to know what their opinion is on my situation and why they went to TH9

I'm the same. Long way away from going to TH9, not its worth the extra defences to get creamed for having an inferior base.
Most of the TH9 bases will be maxed except for the fools who rushed there.

I rushed to TH8, learnt my lesson and now maxing as I can

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Originally Posted by jasper

hey guys thanks for responding but don't you think this is boring to wait so long to just have everything maxed,
I would like to hear an opinion from a TH9 and actually want to know what their opinion is on my situation and why they went to TH9

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If its boring to you then just go to TH9. I'm sure you will ENJOY being up there.

You have played long enough to know how good you are.

I split my time on COC and on the forum so that I am doing something whilst building troops. I bore easily too.

Just upgrade and then you have a whole new game ahead of you, good luck

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Originally Posted by jasper

hey guys thanks for responding but don't you think this is boring to wait so long to just have everything maxed,
I would like to hear an opinion from a TH9 and actually want to know what their opinion is on my situation and why they went to TH9

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Nope...not bored at all...have you gotten your tesla lvl 6 yet? or your still on 5?

3 tesla lvl 6 will take 12 days each.

along with the wiz, mortar, cannon which you havent maxed yet.

once you go on the TH9 path, good luck finding/storing loot cause your defense will be too weak to protect it. Your 1 to 2 xbows are not enough and that is assuming you can save enough loot for them with the loot penalty.

why would my defences be to weak to protect my loot i mean, i will not be attacked by much higher people then i will be now, i'll still be raiding the same people and only have a slight advantage my xbow on defending, don't get the point

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Originally Posted by jasper

why would my defences be to weak to protect my loot i mean, i will not be attacked by much higher people then i will be now, i'll still be raiding the same people and only have a slight advantage my xbow on defending, don't get the point

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"Don't get the point"
Ok, this is not intended as rude/sarcastic in any way

It's clear we do not get your point
If you are raiding and protecting your loot. In the post on "always read the signature" you commented on daddy's video saying your good at farming etc.
Well then why ask for an opinion if you "don't get the point"

It is an understood methodology to max out everything before moving up.... But it's down to choice
It's your choice
Move up or stay bored - which is what you have virtually said. Then you have answered your own question - move up.

It's pointless to postulate and then say you don't get the point.
Ask a question and accept the answers you get - you may not understand someone's response but this is a forum, you will get the advice your looking for and advice you do not want to hear.

So here goes ( remember no sarcasm intended)

Your a great player, your base holds its own - your only option is to go to TH9. credo

Just do it...

I got bored reading your post... thats not meant to be offensive but it seems as though you have made up your mind that you NEED to do it..

Just be conscious that things do slow down.. I at first regretted doing the upgrade however i now look back and think.. yeah but look at my Wiz Towers F***ers and my lv2 Xbows (yes both of them)

If your active you will adapt to it easily enough.

Im at TH9 for a while now, lv 63 so do the math (havent maxed out any defences yet, not the best beginning base to start at TH9 if you'd believe the forum posters).
I rushed my townhall before knowing and reading the forums that its unwise.. well.. now im stuck with it, but i havent regret it for a moment.. i do understand your point of view about it being bored. At some point you just wanna move on, get all the walls, x-bows ec.

I got some mates playing this game aswell, and i warned them not to upgrade the TH too fast before upgrading your defence.. well, nobody listened, and they dont regret it either.
I think its just the way you wanna play this game.. i got a decent base and still repend alot of attacks, and havent had any problems with farming (around 1300 - 1500 trophies).

What im trying to say is that its just an opinion of how you wanna play.. i do believe that its wise to have a good upgraded base before heading to TH9, but imo your doing fine, and think most people just think too much about how to play as efficient as possible, though im sure im not missing out anyhing..

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Originally Posted by Horus40k

"Don't get the point"
Ok, this is not intended as rude/sarcastic in any way

It's clear we do not get your point
If you are raiding and protecting your loot. In the post on "always read the signature" you commented on daddy's video saying your good at farming etc.
Well then why ask for an opinion if you "don't get the point"

It is an understood methodology to max out everything before moving up.... But it's down to choice
It's your choice
Move up or stay bored - which is what you have virtually said. Then you have answered your own question - move up.

It's pointless to postulate and then say you don't get the point.
Ask a question and accept the answers you get - you may not understand someone's response but this is a forum, you will get the advice your looking for and advice you do not want to hear.

So here goes ( remember no sarcasm intended)

Your a great player, your base holds its own - your only option is to go to TH9. credo

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I concur! That was well said and i completly agree. This guy already made his dicision in moving up. Why ask for others opinion if he doesnt want to listen to the community.

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Originally Posted by Luffy

I concur! That was well said and i completly agree. This guy already made his dicision in moving up. Why ask for others opinion if he doesnt want to listen to the community.

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Thank you
It does seem like he has made his mind up

But hey I'm going to upgrade a mine, I'm bored with it at its current level, I'm a good player and my mine works well. Should I upgrade the mine or should I stay bored hmmm
You decide

:p ( just a hint of sarcasm)

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Originally Posted by jasper

why would my defences be to weak to protect my loot i mean, i will not be attacked by much higher people then i will be now, i'll still be raiding the same people and only have a slight advantage my xbow on defending, don't get the point

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I gather from your first post, that you are a forum follower & have already heard all the arguments put forth against a premature Townhall upgrade, for not just TH9 but any other TH for that matter.

If you are willing to accept:

- a 50% penalty on all loots from TH7 and below, making it less lucrative to raid them, ergo forcing you to start raiding more TH8 and (shudder) TH9 (with 2 X bows and heroes) bases
(bearing in mind that there are no L6 troops so you will pretty much have to make do with what you already have, plus an extra 20 troops, if you manage to make that extra 10 million)

- getting raided more often by TH9ers - some can be pretty brutal - desperate for decent loots, because of the reasons stated above
(and IMHO, no offense, you are disadvantaged because you are yet to max out your TH8 defenses)
*this, beyond and above the standard TH8 and TH7 peeps who will try to have a whack at you

then I'm sure you will do fine @ TH9.

There is a reason why those a level above us always advise against a premature upgrade.
But you sound like you have your job cut out for you. :)

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This little Potato, however, is a noob & is horrible at raids.
So she hides in her TH8 base, surrounded by 3 L6 mortars, 2 L5 wiz towers, 4 L9 archer towers, 4 L10 cannons, L8 walls, etc. etc. etc.
with no intention of upgrading to TH9 just yet.

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Originally Posted by maggiep0tat0

I gather from your first post, that you are a forum follower & have already heard all the arguments put forth against a premature Townhall upgrade, for not just TH9 but any other TH for that matter.

If you are willing to accept:

- a 50% penalty on all loots from TH7 and below, making it less lucrative to raid them, ergo forcing you to start raiding more TH8 and (shudder) TH9 (with 2 X bows and heroes) bases
(bearing in mind that there are no L6 troops so you will pretty much have to make do with what you already have, plus an extra 20 troops, if you manage to make that extra 10 million)

- getting raided more often by TH9ers - some can be pretty brutal - desperate for decent loots, because of the reasons stated above
(and IMHO, no offense, you are disadvantaged because you are yet to max out your TH8 defenses
*beyond and above the standard TH8 and TH7 peeps who will try to have a whack at you

then I'm sure you will do fine @ TH9.

There is a reason why those a level above us always advise against a premature upgrade.
But you sound like you have your job cut out for you. :)

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This little Potato, however, is a noob & is horrible at raids.
So she hides in her TH8 base, surrounded by 3 L6 mortars, 2 L5 wiz towers, 4 L9 archer towers, 4 L10 cannons, L8 walls, etc. etc. etc.
with no intention of upgrading to TH9 just yet.

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Well said

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink

Thanks for being so nice to me, i'll upgrade my TH as soon as i get the money and get my ipad (away for 4 days).

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Originally Posted by jasper

Thanks for being so nice to me, i'll upgrade my TH as soon as i get the money and get my ipad (away for 4 days).

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Oh your so welcome, we live to serve :p

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Originally Posted by jasper

Thanks for being so nice to me, i'll upgrade my TH as soon as i get the money and get my ipad (away for 4 days).

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That is a mistake. If you're bored, a th9 won't cure it. The game doesn't suddenly change into a different one. You are about to severely handicap yourself.

Unless you have never donated or done any of the achievements, or you were knocked down after the leveling glitch, a level 63 is nowhere near ready to go to TH9.

Sort your walls out as well.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

That is a mistake. If you're bored, a th9 won't cure it. The game doesn't suddenly change into a different one. You are about to severely handicap yourself.

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Don't get me wrong, but I kind of disagree with a part of this statement.

The level of your defense have nothing to do with wether you should upgrade from level 8 to level 9 or not.

Level 8 is unique in the way that you will get hit by TH9's anyway. There is no reason not to raid TH 8's if you are a TH9 after all, no penalty I mean. From a defense-perspective it is always smart to upgrade from 8 to 9, the walls and the extra defense-structures make up for any bonus (does this exist?) a level 7 can hit you with by far.

I upgraded before I maxed level 8 and I have never looked back.

The part you have to worry about is the levels of your troops and the army camps. If your offensive power is maxed you will earn money by the same rate as any other level 9 town hall. Well, depending on skill naturally.

Therefor it's not your defense that should decide if you upgrade or not. It's your offense, and your trust in your abilities. Yes, TH9 could be rough for some players in terms of how fast you earn money. It's more demanding for sure, but if you can adapt you will be making cash faster than you can spend it. walls being the exception - but I will never max walls anyway, so....

I have 4 defensive upgrades goin right now. At prices at 1.5 mill plus. My fifth builder is upgrading my Barb king. I am researching level 2 pekkas (my only remaining troop upgrade) I am sitting at about 2.5 mill elixir and 1.5 mill gold and My next builder will be free in 4 days if I discount the barb king builder which will be ready in 12 hours.

I build walls when my storages hit max, then I build a few for 500k each so I can fill hen again waiting for a builder to be ready. I normally only allow for 3 defensive structures upgrading at the same time but one of them is an air def.

sorry for a long post, just wanted to add a different perspective on this debate, since everyone is saying that upgrading is always bad. There is one reason: It's way more fun, and you get to see your base absolutely devastate almost any army. That's my opinion.

While my TH was upgrading to lvl8 I was busy saving for a TH9. When my builder finished I immediately started on my lvl 9 TH. I did not have anything maxed out at the time but I wanted the goodies that came with the new TH. I don't regret it at all, I have survived and flourished very well. There is no need to fear this upgrade, I am constantly finding good loots every day and I'm not below the 200 trophy count. I say do it!

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Originally Posted by ActionMonkey

Don't get me wrong, but I kind of disagree with a part of this statement.

The level of your defense have nothing to do with wether you should upgrade from level 8 to level 9 or not.

Level 8 is unique in the way that you will get hit by TH9's anyway. There is no reason not to raid TH 8's if you are a TH9 after all, no penalty I mean. From a defense-perspective it is always smart to upgrade from 8 to 9, the walls and the extra defense-structures make up for any bonus (does this exist?) a level 7 can hit you with by far.

I upgraded before I maxed level 8 and I have never looked back.

The part you have to worry about is the levels of your troops and the army camps. If your offensive power is maxed you will earn money by the same rate as any other level 9 town hall. Well, depending on skill naturally.

Therefor it's not your defense that should decide if you upgrade or not. It's your offense, and your trust in your abilities. Yes, TH9 could be rough for some players in terms of how fast you earn money. It's more demanding for sure, but if you can adapt you will be making cash faster than you can spend it. walls being the exception - but I will never max walls anyway, so....

I have 4 defensive upgrades goin right now. At prices at 1.5 mill plus. My fifth builder is upgrading my Barb king. I am researching level 2 pekkas (my only remaining troop upgrade) I am sitting at about 2.5 mill elixir and 1.5 mill gold and My next builder will be free in 4 days if I discount the barb king builder which will be ready in 12 hours.

I build walls when my storages hit max, then I build a few for 500k each so I can fill hen again waiting for a builder to be ready. I normally only allow for 3 defensive structures upgrading at the same time but one of them is an air def.

sorry for a long post, just wanted to add a different perspective on this debate, since everyone is saying that upgrading is always bad. There is one reason: It's way more fun, and you get to see your base absolutely devastate almost any army. That's my opinion.

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This is only true if you never intend to level your defenses at all. Yes your capability to make gold is similar to any other TH9, but it is lower than TH8.

You're not making any sense. You indicate that you are upgrading defenses and walls. It's not like you upgrade to TH9 and the game turns into some sort of wonderland. You do the same thing you did at TH8. You attack people, loot their resources, and upgrade your buildings. TH9 has the nominal benefit of getting 20 more troops at the cost of a large loot penalty.

It is no where close to worth a 50% penalty for attacking TH7 to get 20 more troops unless you have all of your TH8 defenses already done.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

This is only true if you never intend to level your defenses at all. Yes your capability to make gold is similar to any other TH9, but it is lower than TH8.

You're not making any sense. You indicate that you are upgrading defenses and walls. It's not like you upgrade to TH9 and the game turns into some sort of wonderland. You do the same thing you did at TH8. You attack people, loot their resources, and upgrade your buildings. TH9 has the nominal benefit of getting 20 more troops at the cost of a large loot penalty.

It is no where close to worth a 50% penalty for attacking TH7 to get 20 more troops unless you have all of your TH8 defenses already done.

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I'm afraid I agree with you :)

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Originally Posted by ActionMonkey

My next builder will be free in 4 days if I discount the barb king builder which will be ready in 12 hours.

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Dude building the hero is instant. If your lying about this, what else in your post are lies? Why even get on here and lie to people? I dont get it.

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Originally Posted by biased

Dude building the hero is instant. If your lying about this, what else in your post are lies? Why even get on here and lie to people? I dont get it.

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Upgrading it isn't.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

Upgrading it isn't.

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It's one reason I'm not rushing to upgrade the barb king, he sleeps longer and it takes a builder to upgrade him

Not for me. I have more important upgrades to be doing....

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Originally Posted by dahimi

That is a mistake. If you're bored, a th9 won't cure it. The game doesn't suddenly change into a different one. You are about to severely handicap yourself.

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seriously. if you think TH8 is boring, will access to a few new defenses and more troops suddenly change the game for you?

i don't understand this at all.

rather than rush ahead, where you're relatively weaker than other people of the same TH, why not enjoy the fruits of your "labor" by staying in a lower TH for as long as possible? You'll be relatively stronger compared to everyone else.

Maxing your TH seems like a no brainer. Rather than upgrading your mortars as TH9, when there are other things to upgrade and loot penalties/more difficult competition, you could upgrade now, when you're close to cruising through the end of TH8 and your base is likely strong enough to absorb attacks even with one mortar being upgraded.

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Originally Posted by jasper

why would my defences be to weak to protect my loot i mean, i will not be attacked by much higher people then i will be now, i'll still be raiding the same people and only have a slight advantage my xbow on defending, don't get the point

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There it is, the xbow. Bro, just upgrade, it's cool. Xbow makes no difference when it's surrounded by low level walls and non-maxed defenses. You'll def. have a harder time defending yourself while you save up for those pretty Xbows, especially from competent players who aren't in such a hurry.

You think you're bored now, wait until you get that maximum loot penalty where you're forced to hit only TH7 or TH8 players. Not sure if you know this but, this game is built on impatience. Like a previous posted already noted, you've made up your mind so play how you want to play. Just don't start a thread complaining or asking what a good TH9 loot range is after the fact, because it will certainly fall on deaf ears.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

This is only true if you never intend to level your defenses at all. Yes your capability to make gold is similar to any other TH9, but it is lower than TH8.

You're not making any sense. You indicate that you are upgrading defenses and walls. It's not like you upgrade to TH9 and the game turns into some sort of wonderland. You do the same thing you did at TH8. You attack people, loot their resources, and upgrade your buildings. TH9 has the nominal benefit of getting 20 more troops at the cost of a large loot penalty.

It is no where close to worth a 50% penalty for attacking TH7 to get 20 more troops unless you have all of your TH8 defenses already done.

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I'm making perfect sense. You just missed the point. I know that you will make money at aproximatly the same speed at level 9 as you did at level 8 if you entertain a certain playstyle (using all, or almost all of your troops every battle) and if your ability in attacking can keep up with the increased demands on your level of skill. With a decent level 9 base you will also lose a lot less cash when you get raided.

20 more troops tips the scale when you attack most level 8 TH's if you know what you are doing. It also tips the scale for some level 9 town halls for me, and I am far from the best CoC player I should think.

I also see a lot more TH 8's with 180k + of both resources than I see TH 7's at 90k +, but thats probably depending on rating.

I also have more fun. I like attacking with big armies and I like to see a TH 8, and a few TH 9's here and there, in flames from my archer/barb army supported with just a few giants and wb's. I also like to see my crossbows in action. And I like the 25 extra walls and the other extra defensive structures as well.

That was my point.

and yes, I upgrade my walls while I wait for my upgrades sometimes (when i have a builder free and an almost full treasury). That's another luxury I can allow myself at TH 9, no one have gotten more than half of my gold or elixir in weeks, most of the attacks against me take less than 10k resources from me, the really successful (happens once every 2-3 days maybe) get maybe 80k or so, so I am mostly a 180/180 target these days.

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Originally Posted by biased

Dude building the hero is instant. If your lying about this, what else in your post are lies? Why even get on here and lie to people? I dont get it.

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Only the first level is instant mate. Sorry to disappoint.

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Originally Posted by resnullius

seriously. if you think TH8 is boring, will access to a few new defenses and more troops suddenly change the game for you?

i don't understand this at all.

rather than rush ahead, where you're relatively weaker than other people of the same TH, why not enjoy the fruits of your "labor" by staying in a lower TH for as long as possible? You'll be relatively stronger compared to everyone else.

Maxing your TH seems like a no brainer. Rather than upgrading your mortars as TH9, when there are other things to upgrade and loot penalties/more difficult competition, you could upgrade now, when you're close to cruising through the end of TH8 and your base is likely strong enough to absorb attacks even with one mortar being upgraded.

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In terms of defensive power this is not correct. You will mostly get raided by TH 9s if you are a TH 8 anyway.

Your mortars are a lot less important for your total defense when you have built all the other defensive structures you get at level 9 than it is when you don't have 2 crossbows covering the loss. The important part is getting them to level 5 when they one-shot level 5 archers, but the max level is 6 at TH 8 iirc, and that can just as well wait imo.

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Originally Posted by PumpJacka

There it is, the xbow. Bro, just upgrade, it's cool. Xbow makes no difference when it's surrounded by low level walls and non-maxed defenses. You'll def. have a harder time defending yourself while you save up for those pretty Xbows, especially from competent players who aren't in such a hurry.

You think you're bored now, wait until you get that maximum loot penalty where you're forced to hit only TH7 or TH8 players. Not sure if you know this but, this game is built on impatience. Like a previous posted already noted, you've made up your mind so play how you want to play. Just don't start a thread complaining or asking what a good TH9 loot range is after the fact, because it will certainly fall on deaf ears.

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Of course it makes a difference. Do you think Any TH 9 would hesitate attacking him because he is TH8? Two crossbows make a difference. Trust me. The extra cannon and the extra tesla makes a difference (smaller, granted, but still...) as well (if I remember the new buildings correctly?).

Your defensive power increases. It's your attack-power you should worry about. Some players obviously struggle at TH9, but that's not because they get raided more - it's because they are having troubles with raiding TH8's. The players successfylly raiding TH 8's are not the ones that complain about TH 9.

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Originally Posted by Horus40k

It's one reason I'm not rushing to upgrade the barb king, he sleeps longer and it takes a builder to upgrade him

Not for me. I have more important upgrades to be doing....

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Agreed, but I am gaining DE steadily, so I need to use it on something, so I figured that a few more minutes ain't the whole world.

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Originally Posted by ActionMonkey

I'm making perfect sense. You just missed the point. I know that you will make money at aproximatly the same speed at level 9 as you did at level 8 if you entertain a certain playstyle (using all, or almost all of your troops every battle) and if your ability in attacking can keep up with the increased demands on your level of skill. With a decent level 9 base you will also lose a lot less cash when you get raided.

20 more troops tips the scale when you attack most level 8 TH's if you know what you are doing. It also tips the scale for some level 9 town halls for me, and I am far from the best CoC player I should think.

I also see a lot more TH 8's with 180k + of both resources than I see TH 7's at 90k +, but thats probably depending on rating.

I also have more fun. I like attacking with big armies and I like to see a TH 8, and a few TH 9's here and there, in flames from my archer/barb army supported with just a few giants and wb's. I also like to see my crossbows in action. And I like the 25 extra walls and the other extra defensive structures as well.

That was my point.

and yes, I upgrade my walls while I wait for my upgrades sometimes (when i have a builder free and an almost full treasury). That's another luxury I can allow myself at TH 9, no one have gotten more than half of my gold or elixir in weeks, most of the attacks against me take less than 10k resources from me, the really successful (happens once every 2-3 days maybe) get maybe 80k or so, so I am mostly a 180/180 target these days.

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So your point is if you play inefficiently at TH8, then TH9 will net you the same amount of resources in the same time. Ok then. I'm not sure that's a great argument, but it is probably accurate.

With a decent level 9 base you will also lose a lot less cash when you get raided.

You can remove "level 9" from that statement and it would be just as applicable.

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Originally Posted by ActionMonkey

Of course it makes a difference. Do you think Any TH 9 would hesitate attacking him because he is TH8? Two crossbows make a difference. Trust me. The extra cannon and the extra tesla makes a difference (smaller, granted, but still...) as well (if I remember the new buildings correctly?).

Your defensive power increases. It's your attack-power you should worry about. Some players obviously struggle at TH9, but that's not because they get raided more - it's because they are having troubles with raiding TH8's. The players successfylly raiding TH 8's are not the ones that complain about TH 9.

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You're thinking like a typical premature TH9'er and missed my point entirely, which is: people rush to upgrade for the xbow(s) and typically neglect their other defenses and don't take into account how much more difficult it is to obtain gold/elixir thereafter.

I don't really care if people do it, after all it's just a game. The OP posted his logic and asked for advice. The majority of posters recommended he max his base first, he seems to want to do otherwise. But don't think for one second that a rushed TH9 is going to hold up or have any advantage over a strong TH8.

Rushed upgraders THINK that having 1 or 2 xbows makes their bases impenetrable and/or will cause 99% of the attackers out there to hit the "Next" button. Half of them aren't even thinking of the extra tesla or archer tower. What you're not considering is the big picture, and that is the overall defensive posture of a base and the loot penalty as previously stated.

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Originally Posted by ActionMonkey

In terms of defensive power this is not correct. You will mostly get raided by TH 9s if you are a TH 8 anyway.

Your mortars are a lot less important for your total defense when you have built all the other defensive structures you get at level 9 than it is when you don't have 2 crossbows covering the loss. The important part is getting them to level 5 when they one-shot level 5 archers, but the max level is 6 at TH 8 iirc, and that can just as well wait imo.

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if you're focused on defenses alone, your point is well taken. i'm sure x-bows make a difference. i still don't see any reason to wait until TH9 for an upgrade you can do at TH8. you have plenty of new things to do at TH9, why add more upgrades?

in any case, on the offensive end, i think you're very wrong. personally, i play this game to attack bases, and score gold, elixir, dark elixir, or even trophies. having the viable option of attacking TH7 without a loot penalty seems huge. i don't know what range the OP is in, but finding 1 in 10 TH7s to attack seems wrong if he is farming for resources. and TH7 bases are especially attractive because a TH8 can use level 5 troops AND there can only be two storage containers for gold and elixir.

at the end of the day, though, if he's bored as a TH8, he'll likely be bored as TH9. so if he wants to rush through on his way out, more power to him.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

So your point is if you play inefficiently at TH8, then TH9 will net you the same amount of resources in the same time. Ok then. I'm not sure that's a great argument, but it is probably accurate.

With a decent level 9 base you will also lose a lot less cash when you get raided.

You can remove "level 9" from that statement and it would be just as applicable.

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No. Sorry. You missed it again. Deliberately this time I suspect. But I don't mind.

I had no problems getting resources at level 8. I have no problems getting them at level 9. I could not upgrade my defense faster than I am currently doing (unless I gem my builders, which I don't do on a regular basis. Or severely hamper my total defense, ie upgrading 5 defensive buildings at the same time).

And again no. You can not remove level 9 from that statement. Unless a TH 8 is close to maxing his base I can generally get his cash. At a point where a TH 8 is close to max defense the upgrade to TH 9 and the new buildings will make the base to strong for anything but a very expensive attack.

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You're thinking like a typical premature TH9'er and missed my point entirely, which is: people rush to upgrade for the xbow(s) and typically neglect their other defenses and don't take into account how much more difficult it is to obtain gold/elixir thereafter.

I don't really care if people do it, after all it's just a game. The OP posted his logic and asked for advice. The majority of posters recommended he max his base first, he seems to want to do otherwise. But don't think for one second that a rushed TH9 is going to hold up or have any advantage over a strong TH8.

Rushed upgraders THINK that having 1 or 2 xbows makes their bases impenetrable and/or will cause 99% of the attackers out there to hit the "Next" button. Half of them aren't even thinking of the extra tesla or archer tower. What you're not considering is the big picture, and that is the overall defensive posture of a base and the loot penalty as previously stated.

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Funny that you presume to know me well enough to know how I think. Also funny that you call me a premature upgrader. In which way were I premature in your opinion?

I lose very litte resources when I get attacked. I win almost every attack. And I usually score somewhere above 260k in total resources on my attacks. Sometimes a little less, but sometimes more as well. I use a fairly cheap army consisting of archers, barbarians, 5-8 giants and 5-8 wall breakers. Set-up depending on mood. Now, please explain how I am a "premature TH 9er"?

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if you're focused on defenses alone, your point is well taken. i'm sure x-bows make a difference. i still don't see any reason to wait until TH9 for an upgrade you can do at TH8. you have plenty of new things to do at TH9, why add more upgrades?

in any case, on the offensive end, i think you're very wrong. personally, i play this game to attack bases, and score gold, elixir, dark elixir, or even trophies. having the viable option of attacking TH7 without a loot penalty seems huge. i don't know what range the OP is in, but finding 1 in 10 TH7s to attack seems wrong if he is farming for resources. and TH7 bases are especially attractive because a TH8 can use level 5 troops AND there can only be two storage containers for gold and elixir.

at the end of the day, though, if he's bored as a TH8, he'll likely be bored as TH9. so if he wants to rush through on his way out, more power to him.

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I'm sorry for sounding like a broken record, but I have no problems keeping afloat. At all. I guess I could keep burning my gold on walls forever, but aside from that, if I actually upgrade buildings, I can't spend gold any faster unless I gem building times.

Thank you for a polite post btw.

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No. Sorry. You missed it again. Deliberately this time I suspect. But I don't mind.

I had no problems getting resources at level 8. I have no problems getting them at level 9. I could not upgrade my defense faster than I am currently doing (unless I gem my builders, which I don't do on a regular basis. Or severely hamper my total defense, ie upgrading 5 defensive buildings at the same time).

And again no. You can not remove level 9 from that statement. Unless a TH 8 is close to maxing his base I can generally get his cash. At a point where a TH 8 is close to max defense the upgrade to TH 9 and the new buildings will make the base to strong for anything but a very expensive attack.

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Just because I don't agree with your point doesn't mean I'm missing it.

Sure you could upgrade faster. Do you have 200 skull walls yet? Your walls are only limited by your capacity to make gold.

Base defense is also not about making it impossible to get the cash. It's about making it not worth going for the cash. You do not have to be a maxed out TH8 to make your base unattractive to someone looking to farm it. I just stick my TH outside my walls and I'm making a bet weighted very very heavily in my favor that someone will take it out before someone else comes along that will want to make a very spirited attack on my base.

I hit next on TH7 bases all the time because attacking them isn't worth it to me. Why drop all of my troops on some TH7 with purple walls and three level 5 mortars protecting their storage, when there are plenty of targets out there that are so poorly defended that it only takes a fraction of my total army to loot them?

Even if you do manage to clear them out, they are going to get a shield. They will then make back the 200k you took from them in a single raid. They can also do more raids per hour than you because they can attack easier targets for more resources using less troops.

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Just because I don't agree with your point doesn't mean I'm missing it.

Sure you could upgrade faster. Do you have 200 skull walls yet? Your walls are only limited by your capacity to make gold.

Base defense is also not about making it impossible to get the cash. It's about making it not worth going for the cash. You do not have to be a maxed out TH8 to make your base unattractive to someone looking to farm it. I just stick my TH outside my walls and I'm making a bet weighted very very heavily in my favor that someone will take it out before someone else comes along that will want to make a very spirited attack on my base.

I hit next on TH7 bases all the time because attacking them isn't worth it to me. Why drop all of my troops on some TH7 with purple walls and three level 5 mortars protecting their storage, when there are plenty of targets out there that are so poorly defended that it only takes a fraction of my total army to loot them?

Even if you do manage to clear them out, they are going to get a shield. They will then make back the 200k you took from them in a single raid. They can also do more raids per hour than you because they can attack easier targets for more resources using less troops.

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I have no problem with the fact that you disagree. In your previous post you, however, changed what I was saying, maybe in order to sound dismissive(?), and that made it look like you totally misunderstood the point I was trying to make.

My walls are mostly level 7 with some level 8. No segment below level 7. And I steadily upgrade them to 8, but right now I have no free builders, since the benifits of wall upgrades will be lower than other upgrades. Walls are subject to a kind of diminishing returns in terms of cash spent, it still takes 2 wb's to break both level 7 and level 8 walls for instance.

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I have no problem with the fact that you disagree. In your previous post you, however, changed what I was saying, maybe in order to sound dismissive(?), and that made it look like you totally misunderstood the point I was trying to make.

My walls are mostly level 7 with some level 8. No segment below level 7. And I steadily upgrade them to 8, but right now I have no free builders, since the benifits of wall upgrades will be lower than other upgrades. Walls are subject to a kind of diminishing returns in terms of cash spent, it still takes 2 wb's to break both level 7 and level 8 walls for instance.

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How did I change what you were saying? You said:

I'm making perfect sense. You just missed the point. I know that you will make money at aproximatly the same speed at level 9 as you did at level 8 if you entertain a certain playstyle (using all, or almost all of your troops every battle) and if your ability in attacking can keep up with the increased demands on your level of skill. With a decent level 9 base you will also lose a lot less cash when you get raided.

This "playstyle" you are mentioning is very inefficient in terms of resources looted per hour of play. You are choosing a very inefficient playstyle and then saying that you loot resources at the same rate at TH9 vs TH8. That's all well and good, but that doesn't invalidate statements indicating that one's capacity to make resources is actually much lower at TH9. That's the primary argument against the upgrade. There's no sense in you mentioning your ability to gain resources unless you are trying to weaken that argument some how.

All defenses, not just walls, are subject to diminishing returns because you are farming not trophy hunting. After a certain point (reachable by TH7) it simply doesn't matter anymore. Massive loses from lack of defense become quite rare and are easily recovered from. You say you are able to keep builders busy (although 1.5m upgrades are actually relatively cheap), but you're doing it at the expense of your walls.

You could leave one builder off of defenses at TH8 and raid the same amount of time as you do now, but efficiently, and pour all of the extra gold into walls. In fact you even said you don't like to upgrade 5 defenses at a time.

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How did I change what you were saying? You said:

I'm making perfect sense. You just missed the point. I know that you will make money at aproximatly the same speed at level 9 as you did at level 8 if you entertain a certain playstyle (using all, or almost all of your troops every battle) and if your ability in attacking can keep up with the increased demands on your level of skill. With a decent level 9 base you will also lose a lot less cash when you get raided.

This "playstyle" you are mentioning is very inefficient in terms of resources looted per hour of play. You are choosing a very inefficient playstyle and then saying that you loot resources at the same rate at TH9 vs TH8. That's all well and good, but that doesn't invalidate statements indicating that one's capacity to make resources is actually much lower at TH9. That's the primary argument against the upgrade. There's no sense in you mentioning your ability to gain resources unless you are trying to weaken that argument some how.

All defenses, not just walls, are subject to diminishing returns because you are farming not trophy hunting. After a certain point (reachable by TH7) it simply doesn't matter anymore. Massive loses from lack of defense become quite rare and are easily recovered from. You say you are able to keep builders busy (although 1.5m upgrades are actually relatively cheap), but you're doing it at the expense of your walls.

You could leave one builder off of defenses at TH8 and raid the same amount of time as you do now, but efficiently, and pour all of the extra gold into walls. In fact you even said you don't like to upgrade 5 defenses at a time.

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Yes well, maybe it's not that you miss the point. The problem is that you think I am lying, or lack the capacity to estimate my gains. Or how fast my game moves forward. Wonder why, don't think I have lied on this forum yet.

Are you saying that you are not upgrading at expense of your walls at all? That would be impossible, unless you gem, I guess.

Yes, I don't like to upgrade 5 defenses at the time. So I upgrade other stuff with my 5th builder. DE storage, pumps, heroes, barracks etc. Why is this strange?

Oh, and that 1.5 mill was the cheapest of the upgrades I am running, it's not a lot of gold on it's own.

How did your game change when you upgraded to TH 9 btw? Got the idea that you were level 8? But you seem to have intimate knowledge of exactly how TH 9 works for everyone who plays at this level. I don't like goblin farming at sub 200, but I might do it again when I decide that I need more gold, and I like winning battles so I play at 1600ish up to 2000 or a little more, in rating and then drop down and start over. Sometimes even to about 1400.

And this is what I enjoy most while still being able to pay my bills, if you know what I mean? Going higher takes away to much speed.

Yes well, maybe it's not that you miss the point. The problem is that you think I am lying, or lack the capacity to estimate my gains. Or how fast my game moves forward. Wonder why, don't think I have lied on this forum yet.

I'm not sure why you think I think you're lying. I'm sure you aren't. I'm also sure that at whatever rate you are earning gold, that rate could be improved if you were TH8. This is really a no brainer right?

Are you saying that you are not upgrading at expense of your walls at all? That would be impossible, unless you gem, I guess.

Of course not. Every structure you upgrade is going to be at the expense of some other structure you didn't. However if you are capable of keeping your builders busy at however much you are playing (and I'm certain you are), you would also be able to do so at TH8 but with an increased income. Since the builders are busy it stands to reason the extra would go into walls, no?

Yes, I don't like to upgrade 5 defenses at the time. So I upgrade other stuff with my 5th builder. DE storage, pumps, heroes, barracks etc. Why is this strange?

Barracks are pretty worthless as they slow you down and you don't use troops higher than wall breakers anyway. Upgrading pumps isn't going to give you nearly the resources that raiding will. DE is fairly useless as well in terms of benefits provided for spending your time on. The primary reason people put builders on these things, in my experience, is to offset gold requirements. A bit of a reprieve if you will.

Oh, and that 1.5 mill was the cheapest of the upgrades I am running, it's not a lot of gold on it's own.

No but it indicates to me that you are likely performing upgrades you could just as well be performing at TH8.

How did your game change when you upgraded to TH 9 btw? Got the idea that you were level 8? But you seem to have intimate knowledge of exactly how TH 9 works for everyone who plays at this level. I don't like goblin farming at sub 200, but I might do it again when I decide that I need more gold, and I like winning battles so I play at 1600ish up to 2000 or a little more, in rating and then drop down and start over. Sometimes even to about 1400.

I am TH8. However the game isn't that complicated. It's not like it is very difficult to extrapolate how much the game will change with a couple of additional structures. I've been through several TH upgrades already, all of which provide more troops or more structures. TH9 is no different.

I know how many of my targets are TH7 and realize that those targets will suddenly stop being that profitable when I go to TH9. I also know that TH9 provides only one real benefit besides that goofy jump spell in that you only get 20 more troops. You don't get any troop upgrades like you do with moving to TH8. I'm sure 20 more troops is nice and all, but it's not a game changer. Furthermore if I do regularly need to use those extra troops that means it's going to take even more time for me to build them between raids.

The defensive structures won't change it at all, as I don't get raided now.

And this is what I enjoy most while still being able to pay my bills, if you know what I mean? Going higher takes away to much speed.

What I don't understand is what being TH9 really adds to that experience. For most it means they get less done in the same time. The forum is full of complaints about it.

Yes. And in my first post I tried to convey a slightly different perspective, I am saying that not everyone have that experience, some people whine about TH 9, and I asume that they either upgraded much to soon or simply haven't quite grasped that TH 9 doesn't suit every playstyle perfectly.

You can still farm low ratings of course, but you are mainly looking for level 8's that think their gold is safe at those levels, and if you use the old style where you could use a small part of your army it will slow down considerably. It may still work maybe, but it will be much slower.

But if you play at a somewhat medium rating and like to use the whole army to crush stuff it wont slow down at all for some, just a little bit for some - but nothing to complain about really - and for some it will have a bigger effect. guess which of the types complain?

Just saying there's more than one type of player, some really enjoy everything about maximizing your gold gain, but some wants to smash stuff up even if the goal, of course, is to gain resources at the same time. Goblins aren't the blowing stuff up kind of troop really... And there are other types as well surely?

oh and whith my troops it's a difference of 2.5 minutes in filling the army-spaces with 20 extra troops. And I dont raid every single time I can anyway, so for me, who check my base maybe every 30 minutes if I am active there is no change in waiting time at all.

Two and half pages of two people arguing about Town Hall 8 over Town Hall 9.
I for one wish someone would have told me about maxing everything before upgrading to Town Hall 9.
I joined the forums a bit too late to realize the method to everyone's madness, my real life friends and I all are in the same boat now.

I rushed the hell out of it, I have Level 5 walls, Archer towers level 8, cannons level 9, Wizards towers level 3 and level 1 teslas.

I wouldn't recommend this playing style to anyone because nothing changed for me from TH 8 to TH 9.
I got the few extra towers and of course the crossbows (which are pretty worthless IMO they are only used for intimidation. The only change I saw was that my 150,000 loots became 100,000 and less. It's much more of a grind but it's definitely do-able. I've even seen a 250,000 resource base once and I cried a little inside wondering how much more I would have gotten if I was TH 8.


If you want to see what happens when you prematurely upgrade you can check out my lulzors of a base.
Someday I'll get it to where I want to be but for now I'll just enjoy the game for what it is.
Game name is "Pudii"
Clan is "San Andreas"

My level was late 40's early 50's when I made the switch. If you are are having a hard time with a TH9 than you are doing something wrong.

If you were to upgrade to TH9, I wouldnt consider it a rush upgrade.
Its a premature upgrade but not a rushed upgrade.
I would advise that you max everything first but at the stage that you are right now I would say that you are ready for TH9.

Just PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE dont come back in here complaining about how much TH9 sux because we already tried to warn you. :D

I just hit the upgrade button last night hoping it would keep me interested playing the game cause those past few days i have lost interest playing it. im a lvl75 with about 40walls lvl8 and others lvl7 ; all weapons maxed except tesla (lvl4) and air defense (lvl4) so to some players i rushed it a little because im not all maxed. bottom line is, do whatever u want. if u were bored enough of the game that you would have stopped playing it, u did good upgrading your th, itll give u new goals to achieve.

people always wants to prove their point and say other people's point is wrong...

one reply stating you have different point of view is enough... move on...

you can't change people's mind if their mind is closed... c'mon guys...

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Don't get me wrong, but I kind of disagree with a part of this statement.

The level of your defense have nothing to do with wether you should upgrade from level 8 to level 9 or not.

Level 8 is unique in the way that you will get hit by TH9's anyway. There is no reason not to raid TH 8's if you are a TH9 after all, no penalty I mean. From a defense-perspective it is always smart to upgrade from 8 to 9, the walls and the extra defense-structures make up for any bonus (does this exist?) a level 7 can hit you with by far.

I upgraded before I maxed level 8 and I have never looked back.

The part you have to worry about is the levels of your troops and the army camps. If your offensive power is maxed you will earn money by the same rate as any other level 9 town hall. Well, depending on skill naturally.

Therefor it's not your defense that should decide if you upgrade or not. It's your offense, and your trust in your abilities. Yes, TH9 could be rough for some players in terms of how fast you earn money. It's more demanding for sure, but if you can adapt you will be making cash faster than you can spend it. walls being the exception - but I will never max walls anyway, so....

I have 4 defensive upgrades goin right now. At prices at 1.5 mill plus. My fifth builder is upgrading my Barb king. I am researching level 2 pekkas (my only remaining troop upgrade) I am sitting at about 2.5 mill elixir and 1.5 mill gold and My next builder will be free in 4 days if I discount the barb king builder which will be ready in 12 hours.

I build walls when my storages hit max, then I build a few for 500k each so I can fill hen again waiting for a builder to be ready. I normally only allow for 3 defensive structures upgrading at the same time but one of them is an air def.

sorry for a long post, just wanted to add a different perspective on this debate, since everyone is saying that upgrading is always bad. There is one reason: It's way more fun, and you get to see your base absolutely devastate almost any army. That's my opinion.

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Imo the best defense is a good offense... Looting power makes your base stronger. I rushed my th9 at level 44 and had no regrets.but i made sure i had the looting power. .. I see th 8 villages as farm even maxed out...2 air defenses is easy tobreak... Its fun at 9!