Why Engineering Will Kill Clash of Clans

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Originally Posted by HumptyGoblin

Quite simply because adapting your village and making it lopsided to achieve an advantage in war is an extremely undesireable way to play. There has to be a certain amount of entertainment value achieved from playing this game. Organizing a clan that requires and depends on a majority of dip attacks on weaker villages while still having the top end defensive advantage just doesn't offer any value to those of us who enjoy making quality attacks on strong opponents and spending time trying to tweak our bases and put up a strong defense. I can't think of a better word to describe the effect of lopsided bases on clan wars other than dumb. It's just a dumb way to play and I will never adapt to it. I don't find any more joy in kicking the snot out of a wimpy engineer than I do seeing our top 10 get steamrolled by a lackluster max troop lavaloon spam attack. It's dumb all the way around.

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keep these posts coming...this is it in a nutshell. 2 thumbs way up

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Originally Posted by Ripple1972

As I said, no one makes you adapt, but knowing what is working and what gives you an advantage and then making a decision counter to that is your choice.

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I am sorry, but that whole adapt phrase is a bit too simplistic no?
When you had a maxed base before the whole march 2016 changes, you could not adapt. Even if you want too, you could not get rid of defenses you have built. Sure, when you are a maxed TH9 you could start semi-engineering, but not the whole defenseless shebang. That is purely for people who are devoted to war and creating second accounts.

I do not think the game is better off without all the maxers or casual players who cannot or do not want to adapt.

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Originally Posted by Prutser

I am sorry, but that whole adapt phrase is a bit too simplistic no?
When you had a maxed base before the whole march 2016 changes, you could not adapt. Even if you want too, you could not get rid of defenses you have built. Sure, when you are a maxed TH9 you could start semi-engineering, but not the whole defenseless shebang. That is purely for people who are devoted to war and creating second accounts.

I do not think the game is better off without all the maxers or casual players who cannot or do not want to adapt.

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you are correct... sort of. If you were a maxed th10 prior to the change, you cannot remove the infernos. You could have gone to th11, not dropped the eagle, maxed warden, and been semi-engineered. If you were a maxed th9; Th9 splash defenses, maxed th11 point, and maxed offense. Huge benefit in an engineered clan.

as far as dless, that is a devotion to war. Anyone devoted, committed and focused on a particular skill should have an advantage over a casual.

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Originally Posted by Ripple1972

as far as dless, that is a devotion to war. Anyone devoted, committed and focused on a particular skill should have an advantage over a casual.

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And that is why in my opinion engineering could indeed kill the war part of clash of clans. In my opinion casuals/non engineers are needed to have a big enough clan pool.

Edit, more explanation: Casuals/Non engineers should be able to win too. If the wars become all unwinnable for casuals /non engineers due to the growing number of hugely dfless or near dfless (like defense of 2 THs lower) they would stop playing wars. Sure they might get invested in farming. If the coming update is really a new way of playing the game which is fun, this shift from war to something else could even go faster. Lower player clan pool in war search, meaning even bigger mismatches.

Again, I will say this in pure honesty, I am doing the semi-engineering with all my accounts myself now because I see no other way to have fun in war anymore. Yes, that would make me a hypocrite. I am done with waiting on SC to make fixes.

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Originally Posted by HumptyGoblin

Quite simply because adapting your village and making it lopsided to achieve an advantage in war is an extremely undesireable way to play. There has to be a certain amount of entertainment value achieved from playing this game. Organizing a clan that requires and depends on a majority of dip attacks on weaker villages while still having the top end defensive advantage just doesn't offer any value to those of us who enjoy making quality attacks on strong opponents and spending time trying to tweak our bases and put up a strong defense. I can't think of a better word to describe the effect of lopsided bases on clan wars other than dumb. It's just a dumb way to play and I will never adapt to it. I don't find any more joy in kicking the snot out of a wimpy engineer than I do seeing our top 10 get steamrolled by a lackluster max troop lavaloon spam attack. It's dumb all the way around.

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100% this, couldn't have put it better myself.

Of course it will kill clash of clans.

Nothing to do with whether engineering is cheating (obviously not). But the failure of the MM to deal with it fairly means that more and more people engineer. Those who don't want to engineer, including semi casual players, stop playing because it is no fun. Eventually most clans will be engineered, and the advantage will reduce, but it will be too late. Only the engineers will be left.

(CWL etc are great but for the minority)

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Originally Posted by Chilli59

Of course it will kill clash of clans.

Nothing to do with whether engineering is cheating (obviously not). But the failure of the MM to deal with it fairly means that more and more people engineer. Those who don't want to engineer, including semi casual players, stop playing because it is no fun. Eventually most clans will be engineered, and the advantage will reduce, but it will be too late. Only the engineers will be left.

(CWL etc are great but for the minority)

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Well said, it will be interesting to see what is coming in the new update, maybe a matchmaker fix? Wouldn't hold your breath but who knows.

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Originally Posted by Vikingchief

Well said, it will be interesting to see what is coming in the new update, maybe a matchmaker fix? Wouldn't hold your breath but who knows.

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Inferno & eagle weights reduced to zero. Also, completely unrelated development, inferno gem pack price increase and new eagle gem pack introduced.

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Originally Posted by Vikingchief

Well said, it will be interesting to see what is coming in the new update, maybe a matchmaker fix? Wouldn't hold your breath but who knows.

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I used to think it would be tournaments. Now I am guessing its some other game mode which can be an alternative to clan wars.

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Originally Posted by Ripple1972

you are correct... sort of. If you were a maxed th10 prior to the change, you cannot remove the infernos. You could have gone to th11, not dropped the eagle, maxed warden, and been semi-engineered. If you were a maxed th9; Th9 splash defenses, maxed th11 point, and maxed offense. Huge benefit in an engineered clan.

as far as dless, that is a devotion to war. Anyone devoted, committed and focused on a particular skill should have an advantage over a casual.

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For most players, going into hard core engineering isn't a fun way to play. Very few are willing to put the effort or money into heavily lopsided bases, just for the war advantage. The longer it goes unchecked, the fewer people playing balanced bases will want to do war. After balanced clans give up, the engineers will start quitting because they can't get easy wars. It's a dead end.