Getting annoyed by the trade thread (re Planks)

Ok, now first I will openly admit the trade thread cannot, and should not be regulated. It's a vehicle to contact other players where mutual agreements are made to exchange goods. Where 'typical' ratios for items change constantly due to the forces of supply and demand.

But I've noticed in recent months the return of the trend "Planks are worth more than Bolts / Tapes" belief that previously existed well over a year ago.

As developer camicami once quoted https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...67#post6724567

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Globally they're all balanced. Some players get more of one item than the other, but for every group of players that gets (for example) too many bolts and too few planks, there will be a similarly sized group of players that gets too many planks and too few bolts (and other permutations of the items).

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Lately, it seems farmers are trying to create something that doesn't exist, constantly put a premium on Planks which is distorting the trade market; creating an illusion that they are worth more than others - when they are not.

Basically a process where one trades non BEMs for Planks, then tries to trade Planks for twice as many Bolts/Tapes. Repeat. Market distortion getting out of control.

Did everyone forget that pretty much everyone trades SEMs and LEMs equally? Because they too are equal.

It's only my opinion, but I recommend everyone to stop falling into the trap. It's distorting our trade market; most of us are using this for mutual benefit. Not to create an illusion to benefit yourself.

Sounds like some are sitting on wood farms! It's ludicrous that anyone would even buy into such a distorted theory! <eyeroll>

I totally agree Daz, I just ignore what there asking for and find someone else with better ratios. I know my main BEMS is planks but there is no way I'm trading them unless it's 1:1 ratio. It's just not fair

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Originally Posted by daz258

Ok, now first I will openly admit the trade thread cannot, and should not be regulated. It's a vehicle to contact other players where mutual agreements are made to exchange goods. Where 'typical' ratios for items change constantly due to the forces of supply and demand.

But I've noticed in recent months the return of the trend "Planks are worth more than Bolts / Tapes" belief that previously existed well over a year ago.

As developer camicami once quoted https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...67#post6724567

Lately, it seems farmers are trying to create something that doesn't exist, constantly put a premium on Planks which is distorting the trade market; creating an illusion that they are worth more than others - when they are not....

It's only my opinion, but I recommend everyone to stop falling into the trap. It's distorting our trade market; most of us are using this for mutual benefit. Not to create an illusion to benefit yourself.

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Fascinating. Thank you daz for sharing the market information for BEMs. I think there's a premium on planks because the players in the trading thread are experiencing a shortage of planks. As long as players continue to trade with the belief that "planks are worth more than bolts and tapes," the distortion will continue despite market forces.

BTW, on my farm, bolts are worth more than planks and tapes; planks worth more than tapes.

People will always ask for trades that suit them, it thier prerogative, doesn't mean we have to do the trade with them lol

I've asked several times over the last few weeks to trade my tape / bolts for Planks on a 1:1 and have always traded successfully, there are still plenty of people out there that know the true value ;)

Capitalism in action. If people are willing to pay more for planks, then unfortunately they are *worth* more. I agree though -- planks are by far my rarest drop item, yet I will NOT pay more for them!

I never knew my farm was worth so much! ;) I get lots of planks. My rare items are bolts,nails and mallets. I don't trade outside my NH and it's always 1:1 ratio.
I personally wouldn't trade at a 2:1 but I guess something is worth what someone is willing to pay.

Wow, I wanted to create a thread about the silly plank ratios!
2:1? Come on! You can see in the trading thread that almost nobody's falling for that. But it is annoying.

My farm always gave me too many planks. Maybe I should try to trade them 5:1? ;)

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Originally Posted by VickyD

I personally wouldn't trade at a 2:1 but I guess something is worth what someone is willing to pay.

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Agree I would never trade at that either, also knowing my lv 74 account (well wife's old account I can access) is a Plank farm. I refuse to add to the market manipulation that started long ago, now whether that started by deliberate strangling of the market or accidentally I don't know.

I fear the manipulation tricks newer traders to thinking its true, which just adds to the problem.

I know all to well any trade agreed to by two parties is fair, but I want to raise awareness that SuperCell have factually stated they are even globally. Supply and Demand and market manipulation are two very different things.

I know exactly what you mean. Just because they advertise planks 1:2 every day doesn't mean they are selling them. I normally have mostly bolts. I found myself in the rare spot of having extra planks after trading many LEMs. I advertised twice in a spot after this same daily thread of 1:2 for planks but I offered 2:3 and no one responded. The same person posting 1:2 for planks complained about people stealing items during trades in another post. When you are always trying to trade at an unfair ratio with every trade you do, you do not create many regular trading partners. I have many regular trading partners that I trade with on a weekly basis at 1:1 no matter what the current shortage is.

I completely agree with you Daz, and according to the powers that be the drop rate isn't reduced more for one item than another globally, but I shop the newspaper a LOT (as in, way too much) and one thing I notice is that barn tools are being sold in sort of waves weekly - one week it seems like there are more bolts, one week a ton of tape, and so forth. So I have a theory that the drop rates are fluctuating by some algorithm that is meant to encourage trade.

As far as the trade thread, which I check sometimes mostly because I end up with uneven land tools, I have seen a lot of ridiculous ratios for planks and I also see them repeated with the "still trading" message a lot which tells me, happily, that their price gouging isn't always working !!

I have never traded on the thread & wouldn't know what is a fair ratio.
wonder how often someone gets ripped off?
dont do Kik either.

My more rare BEM is bolts. You've already provided sufficient evidence from a developer stating that different players will have different BEMs that are more rare than others, but globally it is balanced. However, in the "trade world" an imbalance may exist (whether this is artificially created or not) which is something the developer cannot control.

BEM's are not the most prominent items available (I'd say wheat followed by eggs are the most readily available (so anything less prominent has the potential to cause a raise in price when being sold by a third party. A prime example is the Nintendo NES Classic. Nintendo kept the supply fairly limited, and in turn, third-party prices sky rocketed because there was a demand for them. If people are willing to pay higher third party trades, then the third party trader will keep the trade ratio higher.

All BEMs should be 1:1. Ur plank isn't worth more than my tape. The perception that planks are somehow more valuable is pretty funny.

That being said, when I was trading, I wanted to get my trade done quick. I didn't have the patience to wait around the whole day to trade away my tapes 1:1. I'll spice up the ratio just to get the deal done. U'll be surprised how easy it was to get those tapes moving when the ratio was skewed in their favor.

If u find a trading partner willing to trade 1:1, make an arrangement to be his/her go-to guy. I had one bolt partner and one plank partner for my tapes for the longest time. It was a good setup.

I have 300 tapes. Looking for planks if anyone is interested :)

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Originally Posted by Haystacker

All BEMs should be 1:1. Ur plank isn't worth more than my tape. The perception that planks are somehow more valuable is pretty funny.

That being said, when I was trading, I wanted to get my trade done quick. I didn't have the patience to wait around the whole day to trade away my tapes 1:1. I'll spice up the ratio just to get the deal done. U'll be surprised how easy it was to get those tapes moving when the ratio was skewed in their favor.

If u find a trading partner willing to trade 1:1, make an arrangement to be his/her go-to guy. I had one bolt partner and one plank partner for my tapes for the longest time. It was a good setup.

I have 300 tapes. Looking for planks if anyone is interested :)

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Agree, the perception is laughable, someone started it a while ago so some other just think it's true - it's not.

I've traded planks for other BEMs on several occasions at 1:1 both ways.

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Originally Posted by AMonroe

Just the fact that you started this thread proves planks are worth more. You can write about how evenly the drops are, with some people getting more of bolts, some planks, etc., but none of that matters because MOST people trading seem to need planks more. I ALWAYS trade planks for AT LEAST 1:2. And I ALWAYS have people happy to get them.

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All this statement proves is some people are falling into the false belief planks are worth more; and people like you are exploiting it.

This thread is to equip players with information that planks being worth more is a classic case of market manipulation.

I just don't understand how people are thinking planks are worth more! I get truck lots of planks and no tape. I think it's not fair on either parties if we go trading planks at 2:1 ratio. It's is ridiculous. So just because I get the planks I have the right to ask for double tape just because they are so called rare item. I don't think so.. is that why I have regular trading partners who are happy to deal with me time and time again. Just my opinion anyway

you can see that those who offer more than 1-1 ratio advertise frequently.. that means he/she is not that successful in trading..

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Originally Posted by Spartan1

My more rare BEM is bolts. You've already provided sufficient evidence from a developer stating that different players will have different BEMs that are more rare than others, but globally it is balanced. However, in the "trade world" an imbalance may exist (whether this is artificially created or not) which is something the developer cannot control.

BEM's are not the most prominent items available (I'd say wheat followed by eggs are the most readily available (so anything less prominent has the potential to cause a raise in price when being sold by a third party. A prime example is the Nintendo NES Classic. Nintendo kept the supply fairly limited, and in turn, third-party prices sky rocketed because there was a demand for them. If people are willing to pay higher third party trades, then the third party trader will keep the trade ratio higher.

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Oh I agree with your points made, which relate to supply and demand.

It is entirely possible there are slightly less Plank farms here than others out of the regular traders, for example we may have.

10 Plank farms
13 Bolt farms
12 Tape farms

As such, Planks could potentially be slightly higher in demand; it would be difficult to prove but for there to be half as many Plank farms out there...I seriously doubt that.

I will also point out, there is no personal gain for me to raise awareness of this; I have a Plank farm in my possession - if anything I am disadvantaging myself raising this discussion.

I fully understand anyone is entitled to request or trade for whatever they desire. I have just noticed an increase of these requests (which seem to sit idle for a long period of time too I might add) and find it frustrating; clearly I am not alone.

That's really all I have to add to this awareness topic, thanks to everyone I have traded with in the past too I will add. :)

Plank worth more true/ false?

its depends on the case

example

there is 10000 farm 3333 is planks
somehow from this 10000 only 2000 active and among them only 400 plank farmer active (1/5 of active popultaion)
then from this active people on the forum is like 200 and among them only 20 planks farmer (1/10 of forum population)

If trade happen
only 1 of 9 will get it
(either the fast one or nice ratio ones)(both are fair)

but this just a theory
the only way to prove it is poll on how many active farm on forum
or maybe hayday game admin can provide us with data hayday forum and farm type

its just a simple capitalism

I've always been stunned when I read here about people valuing planks. I generally get planks:tapes about 5:2 or even 5:1. For me tapes have always been my golden goose. I imagine that there are many like me out there - maybe for some reason we plank types don't trade on the thread?

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Originally Posted by AMonroe

Just the fact that you started this thread proves planks are worth more. You can write about how evenly the drops are, with some people getting more of bolts, some planks, etc., but none of that matters because MOST people trading seem to need planks more. I ALWAYS trade planks for AT LEAST 1:2. And I ALWAYS have people happy to get them.

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Oh daz, you evil genius! You have plenty of planks, and you started a thread just to prove that planks are worth more! I wonder at which ratio you will trade them, now that you have PROOF! ;)

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Originally Posted by KookyLibrarian

For me tapes have always been my golden goose. I imagine that there are many like me out there - maybe for some reason we plank types don't trade on the thread?

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Same here with tapes. Nowadays I'm not trading planks because I know some will get them from me to trade them at an unfair ratio. I also sometimes give them to my neighbours, or trade them with people with whom I've already traded.

Long time experience tells us that while there is no global shortage of any specific BEM, bolt farms need planks, plank farms need tapes and tape farms need bolts.

So, if you feel that planks are very rare, you might go and trade your spare bolts to a tape farmer, who will give you the tapes you need to trade for planks.

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Originally Posted by Glottis

Oh daz, you evil genius! You have plenty of planks, and you started a thread just to prove that planks are worth more! I wonder at which ratio you will trade them, now that you have PROOF! ;)

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Reverse psychology! Lol